Special Meeting/Work Session - September 25, 2025

001[Music] Toronto. They're good. They're back. >> We good. Call >> the meeting to order. I will rise for the pledge of allegiance. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, we have 1.3 which is the approval of the agenda. >> So moved. >> All in favor say yes. >> Any oppose with no carry 61 and or 6 and Sherry couldn't be here this evening. Um before we go too far, um I had a public um a couple people reach out and ask about um cell phone use amongst board members at the table um and what that looks like and what we do about that. So um that was just a question

002um and so I thought we should just um that was a concern that was brought to my attention. I don't know if anybody else has had that, but just as a reminder of what that our agreement with like our social um contracts up on the wall about our engagement and um being able to hear one another in that. So, I don't know specifics um but I just thought I'd bring that up as just a friendly reminder of where we're doing and all of that and since someone brought that as a couple people brought that in. So, a question. So, I think it's optics also in that. So appreciate that. We care for that. Well, um we'll move into 2.1, our roundhouse floor update. Dr. Vincent, >> you bet. Thank you so much. Can you hear

003me out there? Okay. Okay. Um just for the just to update the board on on a whole lot of information and we're excited to have some dialogue yet this afternoon about or this evening about um ongoing facility conversations, but certainly this is one that remains of interest and really just kind of looking for some clarification from the board on on kind of next path and next steps forward. So just a quick update on what's taking place there right now. um work on the run house is progressing. We have electrical and audio conduit being run in there. Um and so for example, if you're in there, you can see the conduit that'll be recessed down into the floor. That's to ensure that we have electrical for sports tables and things like that. They're they're sitting down

004on the gym floor. Uh the next items that would be we need to move forward with would be the pouring of the concrete and the installation. So, just as an update for you all in talking with uh our partners at Langford who is moving is is overseeing that project. The week of October 6th is when we can expect concrete to be poured and then the week of the 13th is when the installation of the subfloor could begin. It takes about 6 days for subfloor to go in. Now, I shared with you in kind of a an off-week report um but just as a reminder on that in looking at either a temporary solution or a permanent solution to to go ahead and move forward with the subfloor was the optimal way to go for a

005couple of different reasons. Number one, it ensured that it was a safe foundation for putting any flooring on it. Number two, it would lay the foundation for the temporary solution going in. And then all what what some institutions have done some places when they've um had their had been in a similar position they've gone ahead with the subfloor they've installed a temporary floor and then when a season ends they pull up the temporary floor and go on the pardon. So these pro so that's why you see that reflected there. At any rate, the earliest point that a floor temporary or permanent could be installed would be uh the week of October 20th. For the board's reference, that's important because October 14th is senior night that we've talked about for volleyball and uh the week of

006the 20th is the uh substate volleyball contest for girls volleyball. So, I just want to it's it's disappointing and it's unfortunate, but it is uh ruling out obviously senior night and really for all intents and purposes, it's also ruling out uh substate. What are we doing right now? Well, we're already doing a couple things for that and I share those here in a minute. I let me swing past some of the feedback that we've got, but we are working uh with our local colleges and also talking with uh Hutch Community. Well, we'll be in contact with Hutch Community College. That's where state volleyball gets played. So, if we're able to host, if we be the host site for substate volleyball, our hope is that we can partner with HCC to host our substate volleyball contest

007at Hutch Community College. be a nice environment for our kids and it'd be basically an early opportunity to be on the court that they might play on the next week. Um, some other items that just want to draw your attention to. I provided you staff feedback on here. Um, here's let me talk to you more about I mean that's important, but let me talk about the logistics of it. Um, we worked really hard with a group the the Kingdom Courts that we talked about. Um that group has not so that's a 100x 100 ft pad will have subfloor on it. There is not enough uh they do not have enough court sports court tiles to be able to cover that entire area. They have room for essentially one volleyball. Now in the case of us,

008we won't have the subfloor in in time for the volleyball court to matter. And so then it kind of becomes well what are your other remaining sports? Your other remaining sports then would be your basketball, wrestling, PE and large and those and this and the amount of flooring that they had available um wouldn't wasn't going to be suitable for those. So it's with that in mind in addition to obviously coaches expressing concerns about safety, play quality, injury risk. Um what are some other items here? and just our PE and SPS classes. It is my hope that we can get some clarity for moving forward uh given the the timeline and and staff feedback and the logistics of it that we could get some clarity from this from you this evening to move directly on the

00920th because they would be on site doing the subfloor the week of the 13th move directly into the permanent installation. Here's why that would matter the most for this board's knowledge. Doing so would I'm going to give you some dates here that are not up here. The maple floor surface if they started on the 20th around the 25th or the 26th that maple floor would be in. You would have 12 to 15 days of sanding and finishing. And then there's cure time. All of those things combined would put uh the round has to be ready for full use pretty much exactly on November 16th, which is the day before winter sports start. So my recommendation from a clarity standpoint is that again my recommendation would be that we get direction from you through motion or

010otherwise. Well motion would be the right way to do it to say take action to move forward with that plan so that we can have to limit the impact that we continue to have on our programs. What questions can I answer about any and all of that? because I know I left out some information unintentionally. Oh, let me name one thing. Sorry, I just looked at my notes. I posed the when I verified the timeline with uh our point of contact at Langford, I said to her that I'll be talking with our board about this timeline tonight. I said, "Is there any context that you would like me to make sure that I share with them?" and she said, "I just want it to be known that this is a very fluid situation and that

011these this is the best optimal timeline, but we kind of knowing in advance that there's a lot of moving parts even on their end to get to hit these timelines." She just things like when can we the concrete guys out there? How long does it actually cure? Is it cured in 5 days like it normally does or is there been humidity? A variety of different issues. her her goal was just to say be conscientious of that as you move forward. We're targeting in this scenario, it'd be targeting November 16th, but don't be surprised if November 24th was the day that you could get in. Now, I'll pause there. What questions can I answer? Well, from the information we have the last meeting, the permanent floors actually, even with what you just said there, would be

012finished sooner than we anticipated. we were tied early December. So, that's good news for our winter sports and then getting our full use for our PE classes and that back in shape. So, I think that's good news. And then >> it doesn't seem like we should be putting something temporary in to interfere with with a schedule for a permanent floor. So, I like the option to consider, you know, having them finish it. Can you clarify what when you said safe um what we're talking about on the work that needs to be done that you said um there's safety um in in this process that we have to consider and be mindful of. So I don't know what >> related to the subordinate. >> Yeah. >> Well, there's a couple of different items in terms of

013the staff feedback. Um so and so some of the safety concerns that you heard, let me name a couple of those were from coaches were oriented around the actual texture of sports court. Um their concern from basketball and and even wrestling was first and foremost whether that be a surface that would be uh for you know would be safe for athletes playing those sports. Additionally, from like wrestling perspective, safety of and and uh taking care of equipment to not have to have just subfloor down, you'll also have gaps and step downs. So, that was another part of this. And then what does that do to your mats and your equipment? Uh because we do host um multiple wrestling tournaments in the roundhouse on that floor and that they that was referenced in there. But from

014a safety perspective too, and this was a question around um the that subfloor going in provides the same subfloor and the cushioning of what's expected on a gym floor as opposed to what uh we were kind of initially considering, which would have been just trying to build it up, take the pour the concrete in, build it up with plywood or some other materials. The problem with that is you're playing with really hard potentially really hard surfaces where slips and falls could turn into concussions or whatever. So the that was kind of the rationale had subfloor is that's the same floor subfloor that would be under your your permanent or temporary solution. >> That is helpful. I just want to make sure that when we're talking safety, what we're actually talking about on the on the

015impact of um our students that are or you know be it whatever they're doing or even that uneven that we don't want to have because that causes other problems in in the manufacturing of the next step. >> So there's unevenness with the subfloor. No, it'll be once the subfloor is installed, it would be uh consistent across the gym floor and then the permanence floor would go in. It'd be across that 100 by 100. So, what you It's hard to explain, but when you're out there, part of even our bleachers roll out across that 100 by 100 pound, which is where the full hardwood will be, the full maple court will be. If we were to do the temporary, which was just the volleyball court, it would have been sitting at the court would have been

016raised sitting out in the middle of it >> because the temporary was less than 100 by 100. Yes, >> but the vendor could get 100 by 100. He said that it would take 7 to 10 days had he ordered it. We'd still be within our time frame if he ordered it, >> but he did have the ability to get the 100 by 100 that we need to make the flooring work. It It was level. >> Yes. that was just a direction that he needed from us to order that flooring, but he was more than willing to do that. >> So when the when I contacted him and certainly there's been sounds like some offline conversations with him, which we appreciate you, that you had reached out him originally, there was also costs associated with that.

017And so I know early on in the dialogue with this board about what the potential cost would be for temporary solutions, he he was willing to order when I spoke with the vendor, he was willing to do exactly what Miss Mush just said, but there was going to be for him there was going to be an added cost issue and then there would have consequently been a cost impact to us for that in and I want to be clear all of that actually would have still been worth considering. except for the fact that our timeline for getting the the subfloor and the other work to continue it won't be ready. So for us and and as mentioned there perhaps I'm unaware of the timing on that. I will tell you we reached out to another

018vendor to see if they would have enough sports court uh titles and their answer was yes from a temporary solution perspective. The problem with their in that case was they would only sell it to us. And so again, we would have and actually that would have ended up being more problematic because then we as a board would have purchased temporary solution to put out there and you'd have been leave left with the the sportsware tiles. I do want to honor the fact that yes, that that is true that we could have um that that individual uh was willing to go and try to disconnect and get more materials, but there would have been a cost associated with that to him and there would have been a cost associated with that to us >> and it

019helps that guy up the other people. >> Yeah, right. Well, and I want to be clear on that particular courts, just to be clear, they just wanted to they're just like a lot of folks in our community. they just want to help out and so they were eager to do, you know, to find ways for that to be a solution. But our timeline in is and the timeline being what it is, um, again, that's why the recommendation is to proceed with the Maple Board. >> You ready for a motion? >> I move. >> Hold on. I still want to talk about the mitigation work. If we're going to invest $300,000 putting a flooring in, we haven't even talked about what we're doing outside >> and how can we guarantee that? That is a huge financial

020risk for our district and we are not in a financial position >> to have something happen. >> Right. >> So, I'm not still not comfortable putting in a flooring with no dirt work or nothing being done yet. >> Well, we're we've done a lot for that. So, just thank you for bringing that up. So, from a detention perspective, we're moving forward at the same timeline that we said. So, we'll have construction drawings prepared and ready to go. So we'll be able to bid those out even with this timeline for when those materials would be in. We've also already been able to do things like in the initial phase clean the and Dwayne if you are able to chime in on anything please let me know. Um one of the things that we've been able to

021do is evaluate the pumps. One of the pumps actually there there's actually three pumps out there. two of the pumps down in the manhole, only one of the two pumps was was operational. And so that's been corrected and we now have two pumps in the in that manhole. We will in addition to that, we've also been able to clean out the draining and be able to make that and throughout subsequent rains, we have been able to not we've been able to to limit that impact. So from a timeline perspective of the detention pond, it would I would just tell you that we're moving forward in the same manner that we have described. And I think that the board should expect to be able to see those same dirt work to start working at around the

022same time that we're getting this the project installed. These things should be sinking up. Dwayne, is that your impression? >> This Friday. Um, and we should have them starting work in a couple 2 3 weeks. >> So, when we say we should have them starting work in a couple 2 3 weeks, them being the people that are going to that we're going to put the bid out to, I mean, is there going to be um bids put out and then we have to approve those bids and then we have to get on their schedule. Correct. >> And so when we say 2 or 3 weeks, like that seems like there's a a lot of if in there. >> Well, uh, there's certainly that's the case. Yes, we'll bid this is what we've talked about. Now,

023there's actually some there's also remain still uh things that we can explore, you as a board can do, and we'll we'll do that as a part of this process called TIPS and Greenbush, which are the consortiums that we've worked with before. So, we actually have a candidate that we know can be a TIPS provider and locally who also has worked really closely on all of this work that we would be able to to potentially just move forward with as well. Ultimately, we'd bring that back to to the board here um as that uh was brought forward. So, uh, in all of this, there's there's a lot of, uh, there's a lot of improvements that have been made and there will continue to be improvements made. And I wouldn't ever reassure anyone that we won't have

024a 9 in rain at some point, but certainly certainly based on already the improvements made, we feel like we can are are in a better position. as we move forward with that in the same uh timeline as this will be fine. But listen again just to be clear clear on that I that's I can understand and appreciate the concern and risk. >> Well, didn't we indicate though that in that process the first thing they would do before a home is put it temporary, right? >> So we would not have any chance of flooding that while they were in the construction. Is that correct? That's that we say temporary. >> What's that? >> It's their job to set up a temporary water dam essentially or they would make sure that the that the water doesn't get

025that any water that did come up wouldn't be able to get into the building. So that we >> that's already been established that that's a part of the >> and that is going to happen when >> as soon as the concrete or sorry as soon as the drawings are finalized and we have the successful company that'll be the first thing that they do that's a part of the process >> the first thing that the company does that we choose. >> Correct. >> Okay. And we know for a fact that the companies that would respond to this bid, the only way they could respond is if they have that capability. Correct. Right. If they didn't have that capability, they wouldn't even be something we would consider. >> Correct. Now, I I want to be clear on

026that. One of the key topics that was a discussion item was the temporary tubing. That was a solution, but that's not necessarily what we'll see. Concrete or sorry, I keep saying concrete. Companies that do this dirt work have to be thoughtful about how they keep water out of any location construction-wise. It'll be their responsibility to make sure they do that. What that looks like is up to them and the equipment they have. Their job is to make sure it stays dry. And that's what we discussed at the September. >> What happens if it doesn't say who's liable for that? >> It is on them and the district would take action against them because we had water on our floor. >> Sure. >> Yeah. That's our responsibility and that's why we asked for it to be

027put in the agreement rather than doing it as an after um to change that responsibility for us and protect us as a district um for us as the board making these decisions going forward. >> So we're willing to take that risk if it happens to flood and we've got a floor and it's damaged now we're right back in the same situation we are now. Would it not be best just to get it done before the flooring goes in? we we eliminate that risk. We don't take that risk and we make sure that we are protecting ourselves for future use. I just don't want to see something happen and we're right back in the same situation and here we are again. >> The timeline that I'm providing you here, let me try to better name it,

028is for the two things to be able to run parallel. I agree that that's a consideration. I would want the board to be fully aware that you we've already impacted one season. you're not just impacting basketball season, you're impacting yet again wrestling, SPS, PE classes that remain um impacted by this. So, that's a consideration every time you think about the delays that are there. We are on track to move forward with the detention expansion. These things would be able to run parallel to one another. Um and I would say in confidence of those two timelines again knowing that some of this may be delayed even with it as it stands um you'll be seeing expansion to that site to the detention at the same time that you're seeing for is there any way that we

029as a board could consider uh passing the subfloor installation and the concrete installation that's moving forward and I know that puts us in a tricky spot with with our floor people until we see we have a clear timeline in front of us of when the dirt work is going to happen because I know that we're working with highly um qualified professionals and I also know that bids and timelines there's a lot of room for things to happen. I think also you could just task the administration to work with the professionals that you have and if that becomes something where there's going to be an out of sync or out of whack uh scenario that you task me and my team to be able to make the executive decisions to and and keep the board informed

030and if we needed to come together then we could make those decisions at that time if that makes sense. But an example of what's going to happen just just a small version of that. If you move forward with just the subfloor, you're going to have a secondary cost for your freight. Well, you're going to have one of two things. You're still going to be paying for all of your materials for your whole floor and you're going to have the floor installed or you're going to have two freight costs just to have your subfloor hauled in and installed and then your hardwood floor to be installed. And the largest issue with all of this is, and I just I'm speaking candidly so you are informed as much as you can. Every time we push it down

031the road, I understand >> we get caught in somebody else's delay. We were fortunate to be able to through coordination with them >> find a better timeline that puts us in the best position. So I I'll yield to the board what your will is as a board, but my recommendation is to move forward with this and if those things are to come up administratively through conversations with our civil engineers and others, we push pause on certain aspects of the project. >> So Shiloh, what you're saying, what you're committing to us and and you know, we employ you to do that. What you're committing to us is that if we order the subfloor and the freight and then for whatever reason the mitigation and the dirt work >> is substantially delayed. >> Yes. That you would

032pause that >> and I would certainly communicate with you all to make sure that there was awareness around why. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Like that's what we need. We need some assurances that you know we're not just going to push because we want our kids on the court. We want our kids in that building by all means, but we also have to juggle, you know, taxpayers and risk and all of those kind of things, too. I mean, these are really big decisions. And so, I, you know, I feel I don't feel good voting unless I know there's an assurance that if that dirt work gets delayed for some reason, we're not going to put that floor in until we have that protection there. That's what I need to to feel comfortable. >> And and

033quite frankly, if I if we as as we move forward, if we can expedite it, that's also my goal is to find ways to expedite the dirt work would also be in the same caveat. >> Yeah. I mean that's what >> cannot guarantee that. I'm just saying that's an example of when whenever they would bring in the real flooring it has to sit in place for a period of time here. Right. And so my understanding is in the time frames I gave you up there was so the short answer is yes. And the maple has to be installed and then it has to sit there for some amount of time before any even sanding or finishing occurs. And then that whole length of time once the sanding and finishing has occurred is from 12 to

03415 days after the maple got first laid in place. >> Yes. >> Where will the subflooring and the um gym floor be stored once it's shipped on the freight? It'll be it that my understanding is that it'll be placed I mean it again and my my clarity that we would be seeking for you is that we would move forward with this as I guess presented which would mean they would come in on the 13th and install the subfloor. The maple materials would be sitting out on our exterior on the concrete that's outside of the roundhouse floor where they're putting subfloor. And then on the once it's set and they're ready to install the maple, they would do that on the week of the 20th. Great question. It >> seems to me, I mean, the emotions

035that this generates, right, and the connections and the tensions of stewardship and responsibility that we have um can cloud some of it and and make it more complicated. So, um, how do we help like what? Because I'm all for it yet. We need this mitigation plan. We need to be good consumers of the business that we need to take um, forward so that we have good learning and experiences happening um, for our students and our staff and our community. Um, totally unfortunate that volleyball has been so negatively impacted by all of this and that's painful. I I um at least from where we I think I'm hearing everybody um talk and I think this is commendable that the board is so willing to go to as much detail to try to figure out good solutions

036here. Um, and so I just want to recognize the the the work and the energy that um has gone in, but the also the emotions that are um about this um because those are real too. Um, and this hasn't been easy and and recognizing the um thoughtful um questions and engagement with this. Um, so are there other comments or questions? I'm still on the side with Rebecca of moving forward with the two steps but not putting the hardwood in until we know for sure the plan on the mitigation work. I'm just not comfortable taking that risk. It's financially I don't think it's good for the district and I don't think it sets a good tone for community members to see that we're moving forward with installing this floor and don't have the problem handled already

037because that needs to be resolved before we move forward. And I absolutely hate that and it tears at my heartstrings constantly that our kids are being displaced and they can't get in there and they can't use this. But we have to do what is financially responsible for the district at the same time and moving forward piece by piece and getting it in there is important. But I just cannot put that flooring in yet. on on that part. Uh, you know, I guess what I heard said was whoever the contractor is for the dirt work, they have to be bonded. Something happens in a time frame that you know that it's not ready, they don't get the mitigation in there, then that's on them. So as far as the responsibility and financial responsibility of the board,

038I don't think that's there. I think that's covered by their insurance. >> But we're still displaced. If something happens, >> then again, I know we're right back in the same situation. >> Anyway, >> so why not do it right the first time and not take those risks? That's just where I'm coming from. If the timing though is what I'm hearing if the mitigation efforts are going to be in paralleling this and their first effort is to put the barrier >> right >> then if we can assure that barriers in place before they lay that floor and if that's an administrative decision that we offer to you if if you see that can't be placed and they want it we've got to hit pause on that floor >> right >> and make sure that that barrier

039is in place as a part of mitigation efforts, right? >> So, whoever that person is, they know that has to be the immediate thing they do before they start anything with the pond. >> The hard thing for me to kind of wrap my head around here as I'm sitting is we'll get plans on the 26th of September drawn up and then we go out for bid. How long does out for bid take? >> We would have from a traditional bid process, we would have absolute latest. we'd have something back to you on on the 13th of October and that's your next board meeting. I think we have a work session before then. You would take action to approve whoever that was and we would be in coordination with them already. So they'd be like what

040by the way what we do with a lot of decisions like this we're ready to activate instantly the upon approval and so >> can we put the timeline back up please? >> Sure. >> Cuz I don't have a computer tonight. I apologize is what it says. >> So, we would be taking action on who we would approve for a bid on the 13th of October while subfloor installation begins >> or call a special meeting. That's problematic for me. So, >> sure. I mean, >> we would have the option for a special meeting um to uh take care of this. It's still takes time to put a bid out and to receive it back. Um the timeline, you know, I don't feel comfortable. >> I just don't. What about I know you mentioned tip and green

041boo and as possibilities because they've already bid on >> correct >> so we wouldn't even in essence have to go out >> I want to verify this but we've already had Mac quality air help us with a tremendous amount of work and they are tips qualified and we have used them and this is abs that is absolutely a group that we could move forward with for tips, but I want to make sure based on the design that we received from our civil engineers before I would report that out to you that they have this that they agree that they have the capacity to do that. And I don't have that yet today, but that is certainly a possibility that is well within the reason of moving forward. >> Could we table this until we have

042a special board meeting after we get the plans, after we get a bid out to Matt Qu? My recommendation, just so you're clear, is to move forward. Every time you table it, it is causing issues, tremendous amount of strain. There is a tremendous amount of negative impact. I would like clarity from you not tableling it. That's my request as the superintendent. Uh certainly, if you want to take action to table it, I will honor that. We've tabled it. We've come back. We didn't take action. We came back. We took action, but then we added a temporary solution finding effort. Now, we're bringing it back for action. I need some clarity because it's extremely difficult to execute what feels like to our community and staff members a really simple fix and I recognize that it's complex

043but we need clarity as a team and if clarity is coming through we need to table this I'll honor that and I'll take that back to them. I want the group to know this but my recommendation and my hope would be that you would move the projects forward >> and I come from it as I want clarity on all the pieces are in in the right places before we go. >> Yep. I honor that, too. >> I think it's really important for us to recognize that we have a team uh that work for us and with us to do the work. Um also in in that and to empower that they're not going to mislead the work. um e you know at the same time if we if we are saying mitigation has to be

044in place we're going to trust that that happens um in this process to move us forward at the simultaneously so that we um don't continue to be a drift um because yeah I am 100% behind needing mitigation in place but >> can you put uh your recommendation up there Yeah. A motion. I move that we move forward with the permanent installation of the gym floor with understanding that mitigation process will be in place to prevent flooding and that as soon as that information is available that we can act upon that second there any other discussion that's remember that's the process that we go through is a motion and second and then open it again for discussion because that's how we can keep the conversation It's difficult for me to uh understand how mitigation can be

045in place by October 13th. Like that's the part that just doesn't connect for me. So, and I also want to know what are we doing around door 17 cuz that is our primary focus of a lot of the issues. What about the drain tile that's up above in that area? Has that even been addressed? Are we doing anything with that? Like, these are still questions that I have that I don't feel like I'm getting the answers to. And it's just I feel like we're just giving a blanket. Okay. Well, we're hoping that it's going to be addressed and I'm just I just doesn't sit with me. Doesn't sit well. >> Uh the short answer is that there's things that we can put into place at a couple of these different spots specifically for that. And

046again, we've already taken action on some mitigation. So, the other thing I'd want to point out is you've had two floods. One was in June and one was in July. We put some obviously preventative things in place to keep the the site dry. Over the last several months, we've also been taking small steps towards making sure. And so as we've had subsequent rains, we've not had any water in there. Each time we've had a major rain event, we've also learned more from it. And that was door 17, specifically the bubbling of it. So even as recent as that storm where water did not get into the roundhouse area, we were able to learn of some areas along those drainage that we were able to fix. We were able to get the pumps fixed and now

047we're and again once we have that those construction documents, then we'll have all of those items, some of which we may be able to address sooner rather than later. But understood on one side of not being able to see the drawings and and I don't have that for you. So I I do understand that. Um, for me it's about uh as soon as we do, we'll start to execute that work. >> And and I just want to say that we're proud and appreciative of the constant, you know, movement and troubleshooting and and what staff has been doing in the hours, you know, that people, our teams have put into this, Shiloh, and and for your leadership through just I mean, it's uncharted lots of water, you know, and so, you know, I don't I don't

048ever want to come across that we are disappointed or not proud of of our teams because we are. Um, so >> okay, we have a motion. Mr. Jones, can you read that back? >> So, the motion for Mr. Johnson was to move forward with the permanent floor installation um with the understanding mitigation would be in place prior to the inst of the gym floor. >> Okay, let's uh >> Did I capture that correctly, Mr. And by medication I mean the temporary we may not have the permit but the temporary barrier would be in place. Just scanning to make sure I'm not missing any other. Okay. All in favor? Yes. >> Yes. Those opposed to no. >> No. 42. >> This is very complicated um not easy work all involved and appreciate the diligent um you

049know work um know that various folks have had Dr. Vincent, Phil, Chelsea, and some of the work that you've brought forward in that and everyone else. So, um, for those that are concerned still, um, but just keep those open dialogue so that we keep, um, and we trust that, uh, you know, keep us informed as this continues to, um, develop and if we need a special meeting then to notify and I so we can make those decisions and communicate. Thanks everyone. That's we'll uh do we need a break doing anything? >> We're going to have a transition time anyway. So it might be a five minutes a five minute break and then you know those words for the I do I am [Music] Heat. Hey. Hey. Hey. Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music]

050Heat. [Music] You're lucky. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> We're going to move into 2.2, which is our text. Give it a text. >> Hey, Dwayne. You do not need to worry about that. >> Okay. because there's no one out as long as that might save the battery on that. >> We're going to move into 2.2 which is our facility um assessment work update and um Dr. Vincent introduce where we're at. >> Yeah, absolutely. I'll actually turn it over here shortly to to Mr. Cash, but just want to tell you it was a great couple of days so far. group's been excellent turnout. Um, first one at the the community building, second one at the high school. Um, and it's been really great feedback. So, um, been very impressed with the process. I've heard a lot

051of good feedback um, on that. appreciation for the board for taking the steps to to kind of engage in the type of process that we are and um so a lot of positive comments so far and a lot of hard work that's gone to get us to here and so I'll let Mr. Cash tell us what the work is next. >> All right. All right. Well, I want to I know that you have uh you've been updated and Charlotte really does a good job of keeping you guys informed of what we've done, but I want to breeze through it a little bit, make some points and if there's any point I mean this is a workshop and we you know discussion and questions is all what this is about and that's the same way we

052run our engagement process. We want it to be very um you know engaging. Uh it's surprisingly it hasn't been but that's okay. Uh, it's because of the response we're getting and the input we're getting. We're getting the information we want. If I went into a meeting and I wasn't getting any feedback and I wasn't getting information, I'd be disappointed. But that has not been the case. We're getting great information and a lot of good feedback and a lot of good side conversations, too. Some people just don't feel comfortable standing up in front of a whole room and telling them what they think. So, it's important that we hang around after those meetings and get those conversations in, too. So, um, we're we're still at in that engage part. You know, we're we're engaging, but we're

053starting to step into the report area, uh, as we start to get some of this data in and reporting to you. Um, so what we did is uh we asked those questions, the very first one uh about just very broad open questions and we left it completely open to them to respond. um we had almost 1,200 responses across the questions. Uh it was like six less than 1,200. Um so we and we just we put it into an Excel spreadsheet just as they wrote it. And so if their spelling is wrong or anything's wrong, we have that data if somebody wants to dig through it. But we do have that. What we did is we we went through it and we kind of like scored it and said, "Okay, how many times are they talking

054about a new how many times they're talking about this and that?" Here are some of those representative quotes for each question uh of what we pulled that kind of synthesizes the thoughts we got. So when we talk about must have improved in the next 15 years is HVAC roof upgrades infrastructure sustainability you know all the safe entrances structure safety I kept hearing that a lot structure safety function maintenance uh that's really a big thing that the community wants to see. >> Can you go back? So ABA is that like for um making sure that we have accessibility. >> Yeah. Yeah. And they use they they didn't type it out capitalized, right? So there's a lot of that a lot of people just say HC and some say HBAC. So you kind of kind of had

055to read between the lines a little bit what their intent was, but I still we were looking that uh resources are limited what the district would do. Um, you know, there's some things that weren't related to facilities like the top one, but most of the people were pretty good about, you know, hitting the the educational aspect of, and we heard that a lot about uh throughout the questions is was about educational, how to impact the kids, spend money on kids, do those things. You'll see that when we we get to the themes a little bit. um if resources are limited, they wanted us to really look at, you know, uh safety and security and the the nuts and bolts of the buildings, but they also wanted us to, you know, really still focus on kids.

056Um saw a lot of that. Making facilities decisions with districts, ADA compliance is one of those safety and security again and again and again. You'll see that here in a minute as well. Uh the high school infrastructure, safety, learning spaces, high priority high school invest um functional classrooms, adequate space, equipment for learning, modernized setup, community setup, open layout, secure the building, function, CHBC, all those those top things we would expect. Uh middle school, uh this was, you know, pretty telling. We heard this a lot about, you know, don't use it as a middle school. It was pretty clear a lot of just don't use it as a middle school. Sell it. Do something else with it. Make it administrative office. Make it a central office or strive or do something else. But it just doesn't

057work as that middle school anymore. We heard that pretty clearly and we heard that again the other night too. Here's one some of the things you know they said about middle school. Sell it. No future for middle school. Get rid of it. Build new evaluate repairs versus selling stuff like that. Yeah. >> What? said keep it. Oh, there's some for sure. For sure. Some were like, you know, take care of it, you know, do the maintenance on it, those types of things. But not a lot of people said invest in it. Didn't hear a lot of that. And we saw that again last that night. Uh looking forward to decline enrollment in elementary schools. What should we do? Close the elementary school was a big uh topic. We didn't really say, you know, what the

058parameters on that would could be, but they they definitely said right size is what they were basically saying. Right side the right size elementary schools. And that's not really a function of facilities as much it is about um you know consolidation and and being good financial stewards. I think they understand that which is great cuz a lot of district a lot of communities don't understand that it costs money to open and run buildings, keep buildings open. So, there was a lot of those kind of comments. Uh, and we did we got some comments that were unique about Eisenhower uh that I'll share here in a little bit that we hadn't even thought about. Um, but elementary improvements, safe and secure entrances, flooring, huge uh what will benefit students long-term success, safe and secure buildings, those

059types of things, acoustics, when those accordion dollars at Lincoln and Roosevelt are talking about those. And then when we talk about all the buildings, you know, we kept this very broad because it's so hard to say what do you want to do about central office? What do you want to do about bus farms? We just want to hear comments. Uh so we heard a lot about, you know, get again consolidate, consolidate, consolidate, quit playing rent. Uh get the right thing, but don't put this in front of kids. Don't put these things in front of kids. So we heard that. So the themes we came out of uh with all those 1,200 comments, number one with the bullet was safety and security. Uh they want secure entrances everywhere. They want and that when we talk about

060safety and security, it's more than just a secure entrance. It's about it's about just general safety. And I don't think a lot of people put it into terms, but there was comments about storm shelters, tornado shelters. uh but they really wanted just a safe environment where kids can learn and and not feel uh impaired or imperiled. Uh maintenance infrastructure was number two. They really want you want us to take care of the buildings and um people are frustrated with the consistent temperatures the flooring but we saw this a lot question one question three question nine. Um and then the next one would be modern educational spaces, things like STEM and CTE labs, technology, 21st century readiness where kids have the choice to go to work or they can go to college or they have uh

061exposed to a lot of the trade type things or even uh advanced educational experiences, engineering with the CTE and so on and so forth, biomed programs, things like that that they can be exposed to in a high school. Elementary schools was number fourth. Uh they want too many buildings cleared pressure to reduce the number of elementaryaries. Many responses suggest closing one or more schools, balancing class sizes, and repurposing the buildings. Um we saw that a lot. Uh number five was new secondary schools. There wasn't a lot of talk about, hey, let's fix this, fix that. It was new secondary schools. As you can see, new high school is mentioned 30 times and new middle school is mentioned 29 times >> out of the,200 and and at this question so it's 115 people I think were

062there that responded. So out of 115, so they're talking about high schools 307 new. And it it's a little hard because some shorthand and you know, but we tried to be real clear about what was a definite new high school and new middle school response. Uh delivery resources scenarios, people's press for secondary investment. So they were really focusing more on secondary investment. You'll see that again from what we saw the other night. uh consolidation efficiency was number six. I kind of thought it'd be a little higher. Uh but they really again I think they really want to they expect this. I almost I think this is the last two here. They kind of expect this. This is the bar of entry almost. Um so but they want um want us to be efficient with what

063we use the space for and how we use it. and then equity across the district not just focus on one building but look at all the build sold. So what we did is we went through a bunch of scenarios. We went back took that data and we threw just some scenarios together and just so we could judge reaction to different uh schemes and I'll show those to you here in a second. But the main ones that had actual building parts we kind of showed a scheme of how they could react to it. So, one of the big movers is renew the high school and convert Eisenhower Elementary to a middle school. We heard that in the survey response. A couple people said make Eisenhower a middle school. We hadn't thought of that and we looked

064at it a little deeper and actually that's a pretty prudent idea. Uh the site is bigger. It's not as big as we would want if we were building a brand new middle school in the country. You know, we get 60 acres. That's what we'd want. The biggest challenge on site at Eisenhower is a track. If we ever want to put a track there, um, that would be a challenge potentially, but there's plenty enough for other sports, fields, and and other types of environments. So, uh, there's a lot of benefit there. But at the high school, uh, we looked at what we think is an 70 80,000 ft addition that would go on the east side of the roundhouse. That's that blue uh trapezoid type shape. Uh that is would help with this mitigation and long-term

065solution that the roundhouse flooding issue potentially uh would really narrow that amount of pavement down there. Um and an area of storage that we're having in that area. It would help that. Not saying that very well, but we think they're going to help that flooding issue long term there. Um and then be built building that there on the east side and that allows that construction to happen while the school is in operations. And then once that's built and opened and that would connect the performing arts wing to that wing, that classroom academic wing, we would take down the hexagon in the middle. We leave the B building. That's a nice building. It's in good shape. Uh and that could be used as an alternative school. Hutcherson Community College has some space in the hexagon now

066that maybe they could use it. We just threw that idea out there. We don't know exactly what that really building could be used for, but there's good value there. And then whenever we do a construction site this big and remodel or add onto a building by code, we are required to provide a uh ICC 500 storm shelter. That's a FEMA rated storm shelter. And we thought that uh what would be a good move here would be to put a gymnasium uh onto that building that's a great way to build a storm shelter for the volume of kids you got to put into a space like that. And then that way that that would convert the existing auxiliary gymnasium to a boys and girls wrestling program. And then the weight room could move into the old

067wrestling program and kind of reshuffle that whole deck and fix that issue too while we're doing everything else. But the bulk of the money would be in that academic link for sure. Any questions there? >> Well, what about performing arts? >> The performing arts, the one thing we heard is that the band needs to be expanded. Um, and we don't know if that means an addition or maybe just pushing walls around and doing some different things in that space because some of that space over there is being used by counselors. We think that could be repurposed. move counselors out of there and then move some things around in the side of the building to make the band room bigger and give more space for them. For sure. Yep, we heard that as well. >> Does

068this address all the diagonal um cracks? >> Yeah. Yeah. That whole that hex all those real big issues are on the hexagon and that taking that out takes a lot of that. Another nice thing about this concept is it really opens up the roundhouse to the community. It show and so right now that roundhouse is kind of hidden and kind of make a thing of it now a little bit but it also allows parking closer to the front door and two separate parking um approaches so we can separate bus parking from parent parking and student parking. That's a great safety issue. Nobody's walking across parking lots to get to the building or >> driving with the buses. Well, I don't know which side they'd be, but it would probably be on one side. One sign

069would loop around and that would be the buses and the other side would be the kids and the parents. So, they don't cross, they come, it kind of comes together and then they go back out, but then there's that path between that people can walk without walking across a drive. People are driving >> with events, you mean? >> Yeah. Any not during the daytime two school? Yeah. Yeah. That blue area is a new construction. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> That's big enough. >> Yeah. It'd be a It'd have to be a twotory. Had to be a two story. And it probably even have have a a basement level down to where that walk out now, the brown house is cuz we need some shop space and some of those taller spaces. So, that's a good way

070to do that. And it's a really efficient way to build. >> It's a lot cheaper to build up than it is. >> Yep. >> Are we worried about staying in the ground more? uh not there because you know we already have that that issue and we you know we're spend a bunch of money to fix the flooding issue but what we're trying to do is protect that roundhouse but we'd have built a concrete wall there as part of this construction that would act like a permanent dam to keep all that water out. Yeah. >> So those those B classrooms would not be part of the new school then it would then the kids would have to leave the building and that's always a challenge. um if they're seniors, they leave the building now a lot

071already, but it could be used as the high school program of some type. We don't know what that would be. Open to suggestions. It's um nine classrooms, I believe, but it's got a it's almost set up that it could only have its own little administration area. >> Put the central office in it >> potentially. That's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. That idea. Good one. That's why I have these meetings. People have great ideas. Um, so what would that mean at Eisenhower? That would mean a new classroom addition on the north side. We would put it on the north side and that way we could do some connecting quarters. I only have one connecting quarter right now. So I created a second one that creates a courtyard. I'm not a fan of courtyards. We have that

072in the B building right now. And it's just a maintenance issue. It's a leaf pleasure and people think that but they don't get used and they're just a struggle. So we could do it with one C connecting corridor and make that flow work nicely. So the basic classes your your English, math, uh language arts, those types of classes would be in the existing elementary school building. And then what we would build would be the science classes and the CTE classes and the business classes and the performing space and you know th the music band uh space. those types of spaces would be in that addition all those specials. So, they wouldn't spend a lot of time there, but they would go over there, you know, and we think this works really nice. And again, when

073we do this big, we need a competition gym and a storm shelter, and that would be both. We would be able to get that the locker rooms, competition gym, and uh the storm shelter in that addition there. >> Could you make that into a high school versus a middle school? No, it's definitely not big enough. >> But if you went up, >> it's still with all the sports and the parking, it wouldn't have enough. Yeah, it's a not big enough site. It's It's probably a quarter the size of the high school site now. Maybe maybe a little bit bigger, but how much? >> You're building this to have what? 6 through eight. >> 6 through eight. Yeah. And we talked about doesn't make sense to do 78, but sixth grades back then schools. It doesn't.

074And I we looked at how that might do the with the math and the I think it's better when we talk to administrators too. They like to have the sixth graders there. Sixth graders are always a little skitty skittish but they don't fit anywhere really well. >> I think they'd be better in the middle school or the elementaryaries. >> I mean we know that our our people are kid people. >> We also know that that's a tough age for um social emotional. It's a very hard transition and being in the elementary one more level. >> Go ahead. Just let me just throw kink in there. >> What What would it take to do uh could you could you do a 5678 on that site? >> I like that. >> Somebody called asked us that at

075the meeting the other night. When we do that, you can split the build. You could do that in the build inside the building and you just kind of have like this is the fifth six over here and that's the 7/8 over here and you kind of they share some of the spaces be try to keep them separated. That's not horrible. Uh but what happens is when you start to do grade levels in buildings that transitions between building to building to building to building it delays them a little bit every time they move to a new building. like you do a a 35 building, you know, and then they do a K2 building, that switch is always a a struggle. That was what we we hear. And how I would restate that is I've always heard

076that there's a transition death, >> right? Meaning that some of those systems that would go from like where they'd have tender pre-kinder and there there was actually there's typically some advents that'll show like you have a three four center then there's a dip then they transition to like a 56 then there's a dip and then but those are actual just >> my always understanding was that it was during actual transition from like a brand new building to the other in this scenario you'd be this is the site that you're accustomed to. I just was curious from an addition like from his total square footage. >> I I think we could probably do it. I'd have to look at it. You know, I haven't looked at the numbers of classrooms and these classrooms because we would

077keep fifth and fifth fifth and sixth graders would really maybe have >> special like >> they would still have a classroom teacher >> maybe maybe to I mean I don't know how that you know you guys would kind of figure that out but it would still be more of a classroom feel versus hall passing and transitioning which we would have our seventh and eighth graders they would be doing >> and I think that would probably work as the elementary school be that fifth sixth building and then that new addition would be the 78 building. Yeah, >> I actually heard that at the re well I heard a version of that so probably someone that talked with you was someone who posed it and I slightly different how they framed it but >> they're in the

078same building. I think there's a lot less of those issues, you know. Sorry. >> I think the only thing would be is our elementary schools are basically they're neighborhood schools now. So they're set up demographically and if we take Eisenhower out of the mix then that whole north end of town is being displaced and we've got the apartments there and I think it would be harder to get kids I want to make sure we're thinking of that too >> is displacing an elementary and putting on more central we'd have to work with buses and I hope the sport is going to wrap their brains around some transportation we've made in the last 15 years we've come a long ways as a district um and I think we could go a little further to make sure

079that our kids get where they're supposed to go. >> I just remember that was one comment in the previous bonds is that the time it takes to get to different areas and I just want to make sure we're cognitive of that. Like >> yeah, I think that you know that this is the the reason this one comes to top is cuz it's got the land, right? That's the main reason. It's a newer building. It's a new building. >> I'd be curious to know what and and this isn't a fair question of our fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth graders to hear their voice in this in if this was something that we were really going to consider like what does that feel like? What does that I mean, yes, it's up there because they're in the middle

080school now, so they have that as their context, but I'd be really curious to hear from, you know, a sample of >> Well, something else. Yeah. Something else to think about is we're we're the we can I use the word am I part of the team? >> Yeah, you are. >> U McFersonen is is a six section plus school district. So you're talking about six sections of five fifth graders and six sections of sixth graders. That's a different dynamic to think about. Having that concentrated amount of those age kids at that one building can create some challenges. I've heard I think it's consider >> we have that many sixth graders at a building now. >> Right. But that there that squirtly, right? It's not easy. I talked to the middle school principal. I think she

081would say those kids struggle that first year of that having that kind of independent life a little bit. >> But that's also a very big building from going from an elementary style setting all one level not really moving to the middle school and you could be first, third, second, third, first. I mean I go in there and I'm like where am I going? >> But I think that's a transition. >> Right now the middle school is just six seven eight. Right. So they could be adding the fifth grade. >> Yeah. And that's where that and this is I'm out of my depth here. I'd have to lay on the educators on that. But I've heard that that that if you put all those fifth graders in one building, that becomes a social dynamic. That is

082something to consider. I don't know if it's real or not. it it's there's some pluses and minuses any direction that you go, but I think that we would have a better time of helping our kids entering into puberty in a setting where adults have more eyes on them because that's I think a lot of times it's our sixth graders where we're seeing some of the most um kid-on kids struggle. >> Is that a fair statement? >> Oh, I think it's a fair statement. >> Yeah. And so um because there's that is a big building and our adults are having a hard time keeping eyes on them all the time whereas an elementary school is set up a little bit different. >> It's set up to have eyes on kids. The interesting thing too is some

083of those dynamics uh that seem to hit at sixth grade in particular in McFersonen's because >> I know it's only one year difference I want to be clear but there's a substantial difference at times between the development of a fifth grader fourth grader going into fifth versus a fifth grader getting ready to go into sixth and they hit those those physical dynamics and all the changes and they hit it at the first time that they're converging together and so that's I think where We see some of the challenges to your point, but this scenario that we're talking about might create an opportunity where that first convergence is in a kind of an incubator type of a setting where it's fifth and sixth and it still looks a lot like an elementary. It feels not a

084lot like it looks it feels a little more elementary while you're transitioning and you're still on the same campus as you start thinking about moving 7A. I mean there's some >> there's >> interesting >> you know uh we also know that we have heard from our educators who are experts how much they would appreciate having some you know prekk first grade second third fourth buildings so that they can do the collaboration >> collaboration and I mean really start getting some deep synergy around um our curriculum alignment all of the things that they've been working on >> and some of the challenges that we've talked talked about before with the centers. We you had we had talked about that a little bit. >> I mean that that that is the where you have that the >>

085kind of creates a unique challenge in its own right. >> And it's also when we're trying to maybe restract the buildings when you're creating more you're actually adding buildings. And I think that was one of the things I I pointed out somebody asked me about this the other night is we see a lot of grade centers where the buildings are full. We're the opposite. So creating grade centers doesn't really lend itself as well. It doesn't solve the issue problem. >> I think the opposite I and when you have kids that started together in cohorts and they move together, right? Cuz that's really a lot of the issue is you've got kids converging from multiple different buildings and they don't have social structures built and then that's kind of where things start to get just really

086interesting at an interesting age. And so I think there's research in in both directions that we could find that would support. You can absolutely find research in both domains. I think current my current understanding is that a lot of systems are transition if there are if there's a is it true to say if they're transitioning one way or the other they're transitioning from those attendance type centers to like prek fours prek fives. >> Yeah. It's the it's I've seen it all different ways. All different ways. But the two grade level ones are the biggest challenge is what I understand where they're just in a building for 2 years. They don't get to know the staff. They don't get to know the building. They don't get to build the culture, you know, and they feel like

087they're always bouncing. Yeah. They feel like they're bouncing all the time. And when you do the where it's one big core of seven grade levels in one building and you know then you you pile that on it becomes even more disconnected a little bit because now I'm I don't be able to build that which you kind of talked about that kind of you know yeah that cohesiveness like I get to know people I get to understand I feel safe when they're being changed a lot is what we understand is that it adds a little stress to them. They're feel stressed when there's that many kids that age and they're, you know, but I'm, like I said, I'm an architect, not educational expert. >> My kids used to do looping back when Roosevelt used to do

088that and I felt like they thrived in that, especially one of my twins. It was the same teacher for two grades and they just grew with them and they really got that in-depth knowledge and I feel like my kids benefited from that style versus every year moving. Yeah. >> So, I I really lean towards the collaboration space and that like just coming from a parent that's been through that. >> Yeah. Looping is very good for kids and families. >> Yes. >> Um and some teachers love it and some teachers hate it. >> And but the teachers that love it will tell you we don't have to spend the normal 25 to 40 days building classroom culture. >> Already established here too, >> right? So, >> yeah. partly depend on what type of class they have

089in terms of the student enrollment. My my daughter's a great school teacher and she'll tell me I got a great class. I wish I had them every year and then next year she'd be like, "Ah, can't wait till this year's over, you know." So, I think a lot of it comes from that. I I would agree with uh Chelsea on grade level centers till we did a little further talking and you had indicated you know the number of transitions that the kids have to make in that sort of situation. >> Yeah. I mean where where we have worked in like Piper has that right now they're looking at going back to K5s the neighborhood schools more neighborhood schools where they can build that culture over longtime relationships they feel like it's better than what they

090did but they did that because they had to because they didn't have >> what's the financial impact of either system >> well I think here it would be keeping more buildings open >> you have more buildings >> well if you're doing the different grade levels And you have to do them in the buildings, I guess. I mean, I don't know how we have to figure that out. >> Three grade levels plus 5, six, 7, 8 at this site, which is So, we need three buildings for elementary prek. >> We could do prek through two and then do a 3, four, and a 5, six. That's three buildings. I mean, there's lots of different ways, but we better way of saying it is before I'd want to weigh in, I'd want to make sure we ran

091the numbers. >> Yeah. Right. >> Because the prek kinder needs are different. >> Got to have bathrooms in every room. So there would be some remodeling, those types of considerations. But >> we're going to talk about that here in a second a little bit. >> And the last one before we move off of this, what about the special programs that are at Eisenhower? Like we just built that all-inclusive playground. Where where would we transition those children because that's kind of set up for them. >> Where do they go? >> There's a potential here in a second. I don't want to get too far ahead, but I Well, I want to. So, uh, we talked about, uh, if the if Eisenhower wasn't used as a middle school, it could be expanded to a three section, you

092know, plus elementary school. So, that would be a smaller addition where we'd make it a three section plus building and then that means then one of the other buildings would be a 3section plus and then you would go down to two buildings. >> No, we already have two of those. >> We do. You've got Lincoln and Roosevelt which are basically threes. They don't have the plus necessarily unless we take we take out prek. Take prek out. Then you got two three plus uh with that extra space in it because there's four prek rooms plus two kindergarten rooms in each one of those buildings. Plus you have three section for this the other grade levels. Six of them, right? Yeah. So you got plenty of room in there to do that in those two buildings. So

093I don't think we would need a third one. >> No, you wouldn't do three. If you did this, it you could do another two buildings. So it could be this building and another one or it could be Lincoln and Roosevelt. Problem with Lincoln and Roosevelt as we all know is they don't have a lot space-wise. And if we and that goes to the equity question a little bit is, you know, if we did that, we'd want to put storm shelters on and that takes up more space at Lincoln Road cuz that's another addition that would take up a little more space. I'll show you how that might work here in a second, too. >> I don't have any affection for this option. >> Okay. They didn't either, I don't think. >> I remember the survey.

094Uh, and then we asked one more question that we we knew what the kind of response was, but do we keep the middle school, spend a bunch of money, expand it, make it right? And what this concept was, I'll jump to the head that nobody liked this option, but what it was was a classroom addition in the southwest corner that would be adjacent to the other additions been made to that building. That would be the new front door and secure entrance on that first floor of that building. That'd be a multi-story uh edition, but then they would still use all those spaces that are in that lower part of that that's been added onto that building already, but they would abandon the old building. They wouldn't use that building for the middle school at all

095anymore. That old building could be repurposed for other uses potentially, but then you would have to put on a a gymnasium and locker facility, and then you would still be with a tiny site. you know, only be able to put a soccer field, football field on there. Maybe a combo baseball or softball field in one of the corners. Um, they didn't like this option at all. >> We don't either. >> Yep. >> I kind of laugh that there's not enough room at the Eisenhower to put the high school, but there's enough room to put all of that at the middle school setting. >> Yeah, you can. And at Eisenhower, you'd be able to put that, but not a track at the current. We would have to do some kind of land swap or figure out

096where to put a track potentially if we did the Eisenhower site. So, at the Eisenhower site, there's all that parking. Can any of the potential building capitalize on some of the parking? >> It would. It would. Okay. >> 100%. >> I'm just wondering how much that could >> That's why I built That's why I built to the north >> so I didn't disrupt that parking lot. >> So, the gym would be right next to that parking lot. >> Yep. You see right there? Yep. >> So, we don't have to rechange the parking lot. They have a gym there now. >> Yeah, but it's not big enough for the middle school gym. >> I think she's asking for >> they just use as a second gym. They need two gymnasiums. >> So, >> the current middle

097school would have two gymnasiums. >> So, Mr. Cash, I was wondering actually where that comes right to the parking lot. Can we use Can we build on the parking lot? You could if if we were talking about with we were talking about a minute ago of this being a 56 78 building. I would probably do 56 on this side, 78 on this side and actually go into the parking lot and then red do the parking lot somewhere else. Yep. >> Okay. >> I think that would make sense for that. >> Nice space for middle school activities and things like that without infringing a bot if you don't have to. Yeah. >> Oh, ideally. Yeah. So, how much do you build up or how much Yeah. Yeah, >> I just was hoping that, you know, whatever

098we're doing, our footprint, what what's that path look like um in considering all of the moving parks? >> Yeah, this this space here to the side would be a, you know, a really great turf, soccer, baseball, football, you know, combo field. It's just not from here to there is just not enough to get a fullsize track in. >> But, you know, that's saying they don't need, they didn't ask for a full size track, they wanted a track of some kind. So it could be a shorter condensed track. They make those 300 meter tracks, but I don't know, you know, or we have to look at swapping with the city or doing something to make it work. >> Where's that where's that turf field out there in comparison to this? >> Well, like that kind of

099opposite straight up north of that road. Probably >> the >> 400 yards if it's even that. >> And it doesn't have track. It It doesn't have a track. You're right. This is the one that's been turfed, right? >> Can a track be added? >> I'm just asking. I'm just asking >> not around that track. >> I'm just asking >> not around that field, but a potential partially if it was if it was here and went into this field a little bit, it definitely could do. >> I bet the city would love that. >> I don't know why. I mean, that's because a lot of people run on the college tracks, too. I mean it's not just the college people use that track and so that's something that can tends to be community investment. That's exciting.

100Not that I' ever got MRC city and works on a lot of things together on that. >> That'd be exciting. And then you would still have plenty of room for soccer, right? Which is >> Well, that if you did a track here, you would have the football, track, soccer, all in one combo. >> So, it could be a giant grand stadium. >> It could be that the whole thing. It It didn't end up be stadium, but it could be size for it. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a lot cheaper to build that one multi-purpose than it is to build two separate. >> Excited about that >> because that's a community hub already. >> Yeah, you've got so much out there. It would make sense to put the stadium there >> and make that the sports complex

101>> for the community, not just for the district. >> City owns that now. >> City owns ground. Yep. >> That would be a partnership. >> Okay. So, well, to be clear, actually, we own all the ground that was parking clear over to the highway. Just that area that we expand into it based on what was shown. >> It goes from the highway all the way over to the parking clear over to the highway and then the fence line to >> so all the also have that. >> Yeah, it's a north area is sitting. >> That's exciting. >> It's it's from here. >> Say what? It's from here which is main street >> clear >> to wicker Sam to here this access road uh to Grant and then this fence line is owned by the school

102district. So it's that whole square. >> So it's a nice chunk of land. >> Yep. >> For investment. >> Yep. >> Okay. It'd be it'd be hard to walk away from that. >> Okay. back to. >> So, if we want to do that that um high school in the way that you outlined and we want to do um what we've discussed here tonight with Eisenhower, >> and then make the other schools have secure entrances, fix the HVAC and roof things we've got going on. What are we looking at for money? >> Well, you're jumping ahead on me, but that's okay. So renew the high school, renew the high school would be about $50 to $62 million. It's a broad numbers this time. We haven't drawn anything. I haven't proven anything. I haven't done any of

103that deep homework. So it's a broad range. It could be lower, could be a little higher, but that's what we're thinking, right? That's to replace that accommodating we build 80 80,000 foot edition had the gym storm shelter do the the the I did figure in for the the band and the parking and uh those upgrades in those dollar range. Okay. The um middle school as uh Eisenhower to a middle school would be 20 to $28 million. Okay. We think again not proven. And then to fix the gymnasium, the classrooms, it depends. If we go to a two building or a three building, if we do uh close one elementary school and improve the remaining three, it's $18 to $22 million. That would put a storm shelter on each one of them, secure entrance on each

104one of them, and it would if I needed to expand a little bit to make them, I wouldn't need to make them three section because I I have three buildings. I would be good with classrooms. That's not a problem. but it would be the gym or some kind of a wreck space if the storm shelter. It's like they don't need the space, but we'd have to do something with the storm shelter space. So, a lot of school districts are using them for little kids for just indoor recess or wreck space. It's just got hard walls and they can go in there and do whatever they want if it's too cold or too wet to go outside. So, they use your storm shelters that way. That's a potential use. Uh it doesn't really work very well

105for a secure entrance or office space when you do a storm shelter that way, but it could be done I guess. Um if you use Eisenhower as a middle school, we could consolidate to down to two buildings. That would be uh Lincoln and Roosevelt. Potentially, we wouldn't have to build any classroom space even with the prek in there. But that would leave Washington. What do you do with Washington? Do you close it and walk away from it? Which is a pretty decent building that we kind of thought that would be a great use for an early childhood program in that building. It's got a lot of early childhood classrooms already ready to go. But it could also be district headquarters and district office and you sell this building and that way you'd have plenty professional

106development space with the other classrooms that would still be available. It would be it would take care of the traffic issues that are there along Kansas and all that mess that goes on at when Washington's elementary school because prek could be is a lot less traffic intensive. Um so there's some benefits there of thinking about it that way. So you would >> have some students at Washington, they'd be your prek section, >> prek or K or preuk or whatever, you know, and that would just that would give a plenty of room at Lincoln and Roosevelt to be a K5 building. >> Why wouldn't you leave Lincoln or transition Lincoln into that kind of a program and leave Washington as an elementary school as it already set is set up? Because >> Lincoln's got the >>

107because it's a three compartment. So you could do like the central office, you could do your head start program. I mean, >> well, if you're going to need >> drive the kids, whatever, you could do that in there. >> I have a series that does you would need your three sections at link. You've got three sections at Lincoln. You got three sections at Roosevelt all ready to go. >> So, you already have those rooms that are built out for it. That's what I was hearing. What I was going to say about Washington just as an add-on to the conversation is one of the really interesting things that we >> that I think not just in McFersonen but elsewhere they're looking at this prek 3 four obviously and then there's this kind of tweener stage of

108going to kinder and then there's kind of a a second a lot of families are trying to make a decision do I send them if they're struggling to send to Kinder they may go ahead and send to Kinder but they're actually making a decision. Do I send my kid to first grade or not? So, if you were to have a prek kinder or prek prek kinder some I mean, you know what I mean? Like >> the other nice >> a lot of bet there's we're seeing that same data here is my point. So, if you were to have that I have not >> Yeah. But the other nice thing about Washington is that it gives you the ability to grow a birth three program if that sounds you heard a lot about that >> meeting

109we had today. There was a lot of talk of >> there's not enough data three program. >> I guess I don't understand why the elementary schools would need to be three compartment. I don't understand why that would be a huge deal. I guess I'm not understanding that. >> I'll try to clarify. You currently have two sections at each of your four elementaryaries and you only need six sections. So, what we're talking about in terms of three is you would have essentially a north and a south uh feeder system. And you'd be able to have your three sections of kindergarten up on the north side and three on the south. Three first grade sections, three on first. I'm making this up but that's what you need in terms of the reality is of isn't it really

110the optimal way to do it is to have when people like the larger systems are building it they're building four section >> four section four section five section is the most efficient for education and operations as well >> really that's an interesting insight >> but we'd have to go to a six plus in one building that's a huge that's away from three management. >> I think that we're kind of getting way out there on some things that probably don't need to be discussed tonight. Like it feels like we're we're all we're trying to Here's the question I have for this group. >> You know, we talked about a 45 to50 million bond. We know that at the end of the day, our high school is in big trouble and it is a money pit. Um

111and kids are not having a good learning experience in there. We know we got some stuff going on at the middle school with just the way it's configured, but it's safe. We need to make sure it's not leaking, right? And we've got elementary schools that we can shut one down um currently and start to deal with that change. But my question is, I mean, we we would love all of this stuff. Do we think we have what we need in the community to do an 8090 million bond? >> No, I don't think so. Well, again, what I heard on Tuesday night at the facility meeting was if it was the right plan, they would be willing to go to the department. >> Who was there? >> They have 77 people out of 115 and you're

112taking that as a community support. That's what worries me. How much >> how many people were educators? >> It's right there. So there's uh 38% of them were staff, 38% were parents, and 24% were community or other. And >> Chelsea, uh I know as we heated up some things last time that when we were doing the community meetings, um we had some opposition in the room that were really kind, but they were also really uh forthright about their feelings. Were those people in the room at these? >> Yes. >> A majority of them. No, >> there was some spoke directly. >> There was a couple. Yes, but it's the same people that were at the previous month were at these again. >> I'm going to actually just challenge having Danagami once. I saw a lot

113of new faces. >> There was some were open and candid with what their positions were. We did a great job through all of your feedback to personally invite people who were in opposition. I I want to be clear, you should be proud of who's been able to show up to these. I mean, >> I talked to several of them that were opposed to the last plan for sure. And I asked them, why were you opposed, right? >> And it's all over the map. Uh, but what I heard a lot of was um trust and it wasn't direct plan. They felt like they were being forced something that was already predetermined and it was focused on high school and athletics and nobody else was getting named and the middle school was compromised because they were forcing

114them to put the middle school. That's our those are the comments I heard and I said if we had the right plan would you vote yes and they said yeah. A lot of them said I would vote for the right plan. >> And remember this is uh us giving an update tonight of of after two meetings and there are a couple more meetings still to come. So this was more keep us in the loop of how these are going and what the data is bringing so far. These aren't any solutions that per se other than this team that we've hired to help facilitate getting the information to then give us I understand that and I would also like to to to have some opportunity not to try and configure buildings and kids and and you

115know that's that's a conversation that I think >> yeah agree supposed to be information gathering you know us being >> I would I would push back on that a little bit. I think this is a good conversation to be honest. I agree because this is your community. You're elected by the representative, right? And if you have and we already heard some good ideas tonight that we hadn't thought of already. So I think every conversation even if it's like we're not going to find and you're right. We're not going to find a solution. We're not that's not I'm not asking you for what I would ask you for tonight at the end of this is your pulse on the direction we're headed. in in the you know I wouldn't ask you to put guard rails on

116it just yet. I wouldn't ask you to say we're not going to do this just yet. I think it needs to play out a little farther. Um but I I think that you know there is a the next kind of conversation is starting to going to be about money and what will people tolerate if if and is it tolerating the money on this plan? Are we going to tolerate the money on this plan? And is it a multi-base plan? Because even though the dollars add up to this amount, doesn't mean we have to do the dollars all spot. It can be a step. You know, maybe we build that trust with our first one and then we go back and say, hey, we build trust, we deliver on what we said. Maybe we go back

117for a second. That's why it's a long range facility plan. But I think that's why we have to keep asking those questions. Uh October 20th is our next community meeting and there's a lot of work to do to tighten this up to come back with two or three options. Maybe start to have those, you know, like tighten options up a little bit and then also put real dollars to it and real plans like this is what this might look like. Uh I think that's another thing I heard a little bit from the first time. Well, I heard a couple things. One is that that the committee meets were a lot smaller, like 25 to 30 people. That's what I heard. And then also there was never any concrete plan shared. There was a lot of

118like don't worry about it, we'll take care of it. Don't worry about it. It'll be all right. We want to show this is the actual plan. This is what it will really look like and this is what you'll really get. So when we start talking about two elementary schools to three elementary schools, there's a point to that. It's the dollars that would be impacted to operations. And I think that's something we want to explore is when we start talking about bond dollars, but here's operation dollars. So if we are saving operations and maintenance and manpower and all the things it takes to operate eight buildings and we can get this down to six to five, well that's a huge win, right? In operations and maintenance and overkeep and all those things. I think those are

119all tied together in this general plan and that's why we start to have these conversations like three three elementary schools is great but man if we can operate in two >> and then what happens when population goes back up >> you question I I'll just tell you that I just sat through multiple demographic things and there's not a anybody in the near term that's expected a population swing that's going to go anything other than down for all of Kansas public schools There's 10 school districts in can less than 10 that drew last year. There's 286 school districts in Kansas. So I think it's a fair question. I think the question is orient is should appropriately be oriented around what room is there for expansion in buildings if we go down to a certain amount. But

120I just want to be there's no way like I've heard that before and I I feel like where I I failed a little bit as a superintendent in the past is I've not just been clear on the data is very clear. We are declining in enrollment. We're projected to stabilize just under 2,000. We got to be conscientious of how we tell that story with our people push back years ago on it. for the next decade, unless something changes dramatically with the number of children people are having, our school system based on the RSB study is is not going to see an increase. >> Were Were you here when we discussed the RSP? >> Oh, yeah, I was. And I also know that when we looked at I remember it was the ' 80s or the

121'9s. I mean, we shot way back up and then we shoot back down and we go back up and I know we've had a college that's talking about expanding tremendously, which will bring in some other things. I mean, there's just different things that can happen in 20 years, 15 to 20 years that look very different than they do in the next five. I agree with you. We're not going to have an influx of kids. If we just carry on in person the way we've been carrying on, we should be okay. >> Um, so operationally, we won't be able to sustain it. That's the reality of if I'm saying if it was to stay the way that we >> correct, I think. Yeah, Shiloh. Oh, I wanted to correct my estate. >> Yeah, I'm with you.

122You know, going down to two buildings and, you know, selling off other buildings or closing them or you who knows what happens to them. I mean, hopefully something they don't just sit there, right? Hopefully nonprofits take over. Um, so, and you know, that's a lot a lot to talk about. Um, I like the long range conversation. I like the um starting at the high school. I like building uh a 56 center and a middle school out at Eisenhower. I really like that. I think our I think I think our community would like that because of some of the pain that we've had with just struggles with kids and making sure our our five, fifth and sixth grade kids, not our elementary, but that they're cared for and cared for well and that they have good

123supervision. at at the middle school as it is currently that is a supervision problem. >> I agree and I think over here like be a lot better and I think we could really care for and then your fifth and sixth graders would not be changing campuses. They'd be transitioning right next door to where they've already been, >> you know, they've been watching and and and seeing and I think that could be phase two. But I would be curious to know how many kids are in the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth. That's four grades. And then you also have the 9 10 11 12 which is four grade. So how can it accommodate middle school kids but not high school kids. That's I still struggle. You're you're still with the same kids. I know there's more

124rooms and stuff like that but a high school experience and high school sports and you've got shop and you've got automotive and you've got welding and you've got arts and you've got theater and you've got counselor. I mean I'm not talking about getting away from those programs. I'm just talking about like location and building >> footprint would like I mean I don't think we would save any money. Um we need a much larger gym, you know, and then where would we put the middle school kids? >> Those are just questions I just trying to put out things from previously that people have said and ideas and see what any >> be done you know and you know that's another thought is >> because our high school doesn't have to be very big. Clearly we less

125than 700 kids are going to be in it. >> What was it? 648 or something like that. Was that the number? >> It it it if you use the metrics that we try to use when we look at if you just looked at a high school that was feeling like it was about full about 200 square foot per student. 175 is the minimum I would do for a high school. But it's just rough numbers. If you said, "Hey, I got 700 kids. How big do I need?" Couple math problems. that when that usually works out. Middle school can be quite a bit smaller because what you said, they don't have those big specials and the there's not bigger kids and there's all that plays into it too. So, they can be a smaller building, but

126I get more about the campus. You know, all the campus stuff that comes with ice, cars, driving, sports, javelin, discus, shot put, all those things add into it. So, we're when we talk about a high school site, we're talking about 80 acres is a minimum. 120 would be great. >> What do we have now? >> I used to know this one. >> If you don't know who >> I don't remember everything >> there's a high school site. >> Yeah, >> probably 40 acres. >> I think it's a little it's but yeah, it's it's small. But it, you know, it's still but it still can be it's, you know, I wouldn't I would not recommend walking away from it because I think there's still an opportunity to grow. >> Yeah. >> It's a little it's tighter

127what you would want to build if you're building new cuz you don't have any place for baseball and softball and you don't have a dedicated soccer field. You know, you could do a subd but you're never going to do baseball softball probably there. >> But a grant we already play there. >> Yeah. So, I'm just thinking if you put a high school site there, you already have that. Brandon, you lose the roundhouse, you lose the basketball. But >> I these are just like what goes through my mind is we've got baseball that's already playing out there. You have soccer that could play out there. You've got all that stuff cuz the baseball team doesn't play on our campus now. They have to travel out. So, it'd be something I think we should even just talk

128about and see. Now, where would we put the middle school? Why couldn't we revamp the high school? If we're going to tear down sections and do stuff like that, we wouldn't need necessarily the big expansions that we're talking about. Y >> you could revamp the high school. >> So why are we talking about all these possibilities if we're going to have a cap on our money? >> So we need to do long range. What What are we going to do in the media bond issue we're going to present in March? >> I thought we had a guard rail. We're going to try to stick around with it. Have a safe months. I agree. >> I mean, the thing that I've heard so far that really is encouraged for me is that there seems to be

129a consensus, a strong consensus that we need to leave the middle school and convert Eisenhower to a middle school. So, I don't understand why we spend all this time talking about this elementary stuff. That can be something we can lay down the money. >> We could, but but >> we want to have success with the bond issue. Don't cloud it with all these other issues. I'm sorry. >> Yeah, it feels like we're all kind of, you know, I know some of us dreaming, but >> there is reality. >> There is. And what do we need to what's like what do we need to be paying attention to right now? Like what do we need to get clear about with this group now? >> Well, I just expressed my frustration. >> If you were in charge

130and we didn't have to deal with the six of us, what would you do? I like the direction we're going with the middle school in Eisenhower. That's the consensus that I hear right now and we got to go forward from that. >> And what about the high school? >> Well, we're going to You had that in there with that new twostory deal. I liked all that. >> So, high school first in long range planning. >> Yep. >> And then our second phase of long range planning is uh physics middle school over Eisenhower, right? Well, >> I don't know. I wouldn't agree to five, six, seven, eight there. We've got enough room to make seventh and eighth grade at the middle at Eisenhower two sec twole middle school do K6 in the other three buildings. >>

131I like that. >> That would get us to where we need to be right now. >> Yeah. >> And then in the next 5 years you could talk about some of this other stuff. You're going to have so many issues out there. People are going to be confused about what are we really voting on here. Can I just post one question? >> Keep it simple. >> You just said K6. >> Yeah. >> Which we don't have. >> Right. >> We have preK5s. >> Yep. >> True. >> So if PreK6 was something you were wanting to do, we then have to I'm I just want to be clear on what was captured. That'd be an interesting way to look at it. But yet again, that'd be a still a reconfiguration of what we're talking about. Does

132that make sense? I'm not trying to be >> Well, we wouldn't close any any elementary school, Shiloh, because an elementary school would become a middle school, >> right? So, but we >> But you try to add a section of sixth grade in it. Is that what the is that what the statement was? >> Yeah. >> We would want to obviously look to have the architectural expert. I thought our building capacity was there for all that. >> It's there. >> The the biggest issue is sped. You know, like this is Lincoln and Roosevelt's floor plan and it is designed as a three section, six grades, right? But and then you have four preks and you have two kindergartens. >> So to make it work as a K6, >> but probably not preK6 would be tough cuz

133you had the sped programs and the other special programs would be tough. >> So you make it work K6, >> I think. So >> make it prek6. Could you make it work? >> Um, it >> the only It's really tough to make it collaborative because of the way that just the building's structured and the way the classrooms are tucked back there in those corners. Uh, but they do a pretty good job of it now. Uh, what I've heard, but it's not what we would build new. No. >> And your preks are they have oversight regulatory on the space in the for the ratio um their footprint in those classes. So those are different than our, you know, upper grades in there too. So that impacts a a certain degree enough moving all of this bed

134into one facility would make sense or would it be easier and better for collaboration if you've had all of that together >> instead of in all three of the buildings and then you're >> I think that that goes back to I don't I can't speak to that really to be honest with that's an educational question but spacewise that goes back to the Washington conversation as prek K sped that that 18 to 21 program strive the special program that's Eisenhower those could all be held in there and district administration where they all together and have some professional development and then you still have Washington if something happens you need to convert back to elementary someday >> but it shrinks everything down be more efficient >> we'd want Mrs. Stratton to speak to that, but with our

135model that we currently have are students that have that within classes, they're pushed in with services and there's some pieces that are pulled out. So that might complicate their model that they currently have, you know, that that be we didn't get that information. >> I'm just thinking for coverage, you know, like if they were all together in the same area, we would have better coverage to help, you know, we have power shortages and things like that. Like I just think the collaborative spaces would be better for our teachers and for our students, but >> I'm not an educator. >> I think my head hurts. >> I really and I don't mean not but I think I'm like full of like at this point I think I what would be helpful for me is to go

136away and kind of process for a little while and consider some things because you guys have done a good job. things I've appreciated is um that you've been straightforward with our community and you've asked the hard questions, which is what you guys said you would do. And so, thank you for that. >> Appreciate that. >> Um it sounds like we've got some several good options on the table where we're getting hung up as is how to configure buildings. >> Um and that probably needs some thoughtfulness for me to to >> Do you do you mind if we go through the survey results just you know so everybody uh hears from committee meeting? Yeah, the the county unit number two. So, we had them pull the seven themes that we saw uh just to verify um

137what the the ranking was is we we we laid it out and it came in as the same. Safety and security, maintenance, infrastructure, secondary schools was number three, modern education spaces and elementary schools number five. There was and we saw this in the results and when we other questions elementaryaries kept getting pushed down where the secondary high school was number one middle school was number two uh when we saw those results. So when we talk about um elementary building building level preferences uh close repurpose one elementary school and improve the remaining three 70% um agreed to that expand Eisenhower and build a new elementary they did not like that idea as an elementary school expanding elementary as a as an elementary or build two new elementary schools they didn't like that so it the the

138idea of going to two elementary schools we did not pose that to them uh because we didn't really once we saw this data it was like well wait a minute that could happen that that that could be a potential something to follow up with them on middle school expand Eisenhower to the middle school that won 42% of them really supported that idea uh renovate and renew the high school and convert it to the middle school uh was the next in line but only at 26% build a new middle school is 22% renovate and and fix the middle school that presently has 90% of the support for that which did not surprise us. Uh for the high school building options, renew and renovate the current high school and keep it as a high school, 53%. Build

139a new high school on a site to be determined 46%. And then 1% said no. None of those two options. >> Those are fairly close. >> They were pretty close. >> Mhm. >> I'm surprised it's that high. Yeah. >> What is it a square foot to build a new high school? up >> about 175,000 square feet to 200,000 square feet. >> And what do you get? What's the dollar amount per square foot? >> It's we're I've got numbers from Hutton Construction and Macau Gordon both. And using those those numbers back to my actual numbers here down. I think it was down. Where's high school? Here it is. New high school will be 104 to $125 million. But how much is a square foot? >> About $500, maybe 515. >> Haze just got theirs built for

140400 foot. >> Did they do all the athletics and everything with it to a new site? >> They did some really >> because the athletics just really couldn't really push that up and the side development cost, but it that'd be awesome. Wait, Haze, Kansas, that be a great price. Uh, and that's what they have more homework to do for sure to bet this out. Um, go back to the survey. >> Just go ahead. >> Yeah, sure. Well, there was one last question. Uh, so when we put them headto head, uh, you know, like we said, okay, headto-head testing, this is just randomized. Every nobody ever got the same ones. The top performs, 60% was headtohead was close and repurpose one elementary school and approve them three. 67 167% of the time build a new high

141school against whatever it was pitched again 165% of the time renew renovate the current high school 163% of the time and expand Eisenhower at to the middle school was 60% one most of the time so then you have the middle of the pack options and the lowest performing when they're pitted headtohead um and then the last thing was we asked them about what's your comfort level on a bond issue readiness uh we were asked to select one of the three options pertaining to readiness, tolerance or considering a bond issue. We did not talk about bond amount or any of that. We just asked them their comfort level. Uh 74% said they would increase if the plan is right. 24% support a bond but prefer the current middle to stay as it is. No increase 24%.

142And then 2% oppose a bond no matter what. >> We appreciate >> there's that information. Yeah. I've had numerous people just so say this survey polling experience was by far amazing like they the feedback I have been stopped since um Tuesday's meeting was this was really they felt at least the people that have stopped me um really helpful where they felt like they had a voice in in giving us information. So, I I just want to give that feedback on the process. >> I'd echo the feedback on it. In particular, the head-to-head explicitly was talked about how that really >> got them thinking about what do I actually care the most about because what you said I didn't actually just caught it for the first time was what was would have been headto-head for me

143would have been different for Bill and would have been different for Chelsea. And so what's interesting is through that process that was what I I heard a lot that just stimulated this whole idea of oh what do I actually prioritize is the greater >> that need the person. So that was interesting. >> It is interesting when we do it head to head like that and and so the options get a little tighter and it gets a little more defined. We do that again it will really kind of start to really push people to make hard decisions and because then they're really like I love both options. which one do I really prefer? And that dollars will start to play more weigh in into that. We gave them that big broad range. And I'm sure some

144people looked at that, some people probably didn't. Some people looked only at the numbers, I'm sure, when they were making their choices. >> Well, speak to this if the plan is right. >> Yeah. >> So, should one of your next meetings say, "Here's three different plans. Which one do you like?" >> Yeah. >> 23 plans be >> Well, somebody's got to develop that. Well, I think that I think we're on to a a target, you know, of that. I think um I think we're in agreement with you that you know that the sentiment is there's a dollar number that's right, right? And if it's 50 million, that's great. We need to know that. But if it's 75 and they get most of it and that's the one they want, that's great. And I think that,

145you know, to Hayes's point, Hayes uh went out with the first plan and they went conservative and they thought that that's all they would support and it failed. Then they went back and doubled it and it passed. And it's like, well, what what happened there? They Well, I think this cuz somebody was had an agenda of what they thought they would support and it wasn't the right plan. And I think that's why we got to root that out. Keep rooting that up. Rooting that out and finding out. But I do think it's important that everybody feels like they've listened to and they get something. I don't think a plan of just saying we're going to do the high school and nothing else will probably satisfy the greater community. I think you're going to have to

146do something everywhere to get everybody to say there's something in this for me. There's something in this for me. There's something in this for me. If it's just one-sided, it leaves a lot of people like, I don't care about the high school. I don't care about the elementary school. That's a danger. >> Will you be giving then the understand like in your next meeting that there's this notion that the board recognizes this is a fa like there's a longterm plan. Um, so that I I would hate for anybody to be in the conversation and think that this is like won't happen ever again like where you aren't looking at the full long-term scope of all the needs. >> And I got stopped by some people that were like, "Okay, so if I vote for this

147and when will it sunset and what will happen?" And and I' I've been told it will never sunset. I think that needs to be conveyed. That's how the this bond that works, the loans work. there is a 30 to 20 20 25 year 30-year term and if the voters don't vote to extend it, it will sunset. Um I think there's a perception out there that that when I approach I give you this money, it just goes on forever. But the reality is is in 30 years this going these are 30-y old buildings. We know capital dollars aren't enough to keep up. So then there'll probably be another bond issue at some point. there will be some maintenance things because we just can't have it. You don't have enough dollar and people don't understand that either.

148Chad did a really good job at the first meeting explaining that how capital dollars have been impacted, how they're funded by the state, not by local uh and I but I think we need to keep talking about that too cuz people don't understand how the mechanisms of finance works for school districts and you know and there was a you know somebody was really you know like how come you haven't taken care of your buildings? Well, that's very complex, but they're old buildings. They're old and they just take a lot of work to keep them going. And we only have finite dollars and finite amount of people to do the work. So, that needs to be expressed more too to the community to understand that it's just so much need. We have so many buildings are

149so old and only so many dollars every year budgeted for maintenance. >> Another important piece I would think would be, you know, you talked about operational costs. Mhm. >> Okay. If you close buildings, how much is that going to save that can then be used in a sense to increase the bond a little bit? I mean, you might not have to increase the bond. You could use those dollars in the sense that you're saving on custodial maintenance, electricity. I don't that's we're going to we had a conversation today through an email talking about let's put together a budget of that you like we do this plan the district it plans to save over the next 5 years this x amount of dollars in operations cuz I think that's a valuable piece of the save I'm

150just not giving you money and you're not giving thing no we're going to save money operationally too that's an important thing >> so will you kind of figure out from these next couple of community meetings if you think that our community would support um the the revamping of our high school and Eisenhower in the same bond. >> We'll ask them that. We'll ask them separately if they want to do it separately and what the dollar amount per household is. >> How will we engage our uh folks who've been pretty vocal in our community about the mistrust and the I'll never support this. I mean, that was part of the, you know, we know that when in other places you guys have worked that there have been success on kind of just disbanding some of the

151>> the sites that people are on where there's a lot of contention. >> You can't do that. I mean, people that have the right to have those conversations and they're going to have them and that's fine. It's it's what we have to do. And the only thing we can do is listen as best we can and be completely transparent best we can, you know, cuz that's where mistrust comes from. It's like, well, they're not answering, they're hiding something or they're they're trying to get something over us or whatever that is. And I think the best just give them all the information. Let them if they want to know what the survey responses were, give it to them. Give it everything to them. It's their community. uh and be real force for force for forthright about

152we're not trying to build something here that you can't afford. We're trying to build something that you can afford and and maintain and and your kids and still have a good school district. Um it's and it's really important that people understand and this is we had a conversation about this Tuesday with some people is that the the the heartbeat of any community is the school district. And I I I can drive through a a town in Kansas and Missouri and I can tell you just by driving through it if they got a good school district. It's obvious. And that is something people don't understand that quite a great school that's well supported and the greatness of our community. It's obvious and people feel like well it's okay it's okay it's okay but it it roads

153away at you slowly and then one day you wake up and you're like what happened? >> So take that a step further. I want to just piggy back on what was saying. There's a there are people even I met with a group of people that didn't even know we were having this facility conversation. Um so there's we know there's people uh that aren't being reached and that's I mean that's just part of our how do we keep get that in front of and get in front of it. But still the voices that are very dominant uh they for whatever reasons um they have how do we is that board responsibility is that district responsibility is that a shared partnership in that communication? >> Well I heard that that somebody said to me uh Tuesday night

154that there's a disconnect between the school district and the college and I'm like well that shouldn't be you know there what's that disconnect about? It's probably rooted in in something nobody even remembers what it is about. You know, maybe that's just they need to get together in the room and say, "What what's what's your problem?" I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem either. Okay, we don't have a problem. I don't know. But I think those conversations in coffee shops, in churches, in workplaces will be huge in this and letting people know that people, you know, hey, there is a committee. If you want to come, come there's room for you. And then we'll also be reaching out to the bigger communitywide town hall here when we get closer to plan and then

155doing the bigger community survey too. >> So I maybe I really missed something big and disband was the was not the correct word. So I apologize for that. But part of the reason that I was excited about your organization was that you guys had done some real strategic work with bringing some people from kind of the edges >> into heal kind of again that's not the correct language but into some working relationships where there had been some separation before >> and you know and now kind of what I'm trying to figure out is that's maybe on all of us to go and try and do that. I got I think it's on everybody. >> You know, I thought >> we agreed. >> Excuse me. You talked about Rose Hill. >> Yeah. >> That you converted

156two real vocal opponents, two real vocal supporters. >> Yeah. >> I think it was it was just very simple and and we've see this a lot. It's people if they don't feel like they're being asked, they don't feel like they're being listened to or they're being patronized to, you know, like, "Oh, I'm listening, but I'm not really going to listen to you." They that is not good. And you have to really listen to the people. And that's taking your ego out of it. Taking what you think is right, your perceived notions out of it, and just really listening to them. cuz I heard conversations just two meetings all kinds of things where people will say to me I'm never voting for this because of this thing and I'm like well if we fix that thing

157would you consider yeah I would you know that's that simple sometimes I just I'm not going to vote for it because of this thing well if we take care of that ma'am would you support it yeah I think I would you know there was conversation about you know having all the people at the high school you know the middle school and and the high school together. That was something people said, "I'm not going to support that." Well, that's good information to hear because that's that's not a plan we're going to present cuz it's a one that's going to divide people. I think the roundhouse will divide people. There's lots of things that will divide people. We can't solve everybody's problem. We're not going to make everybody happy. It's not our job. That won't be a

158good project for everybody. But the many as many as we can, that's great. at least listen to them and give them a reason why. >> I love that. Um I think, you know, would how do you guys think that we're doing on listening to folks that feel unheard at this point? How do you think that's going for us as a board collective? >> Yeah. Oh, we haven't had truly an opportunity to listen to some of those on the no side. We did have, you know, like Sy said, people were invited both sides to these meetings. If they chose not to come, that's their on them. But there were people on both sides those meetings. I think when they had the community meeting, I would hope that a lot of those that are vocally opposed have

159been in these meetings will show up. >> Have we gotten really big bold letters out in multiple places a couple of times that says we are ramping up for another bond. Please come here. Oh, >> partially because I would never want to get in front of this group to do that. >> So, as soon as as soon as this board's as I don't my my impression that we're not there yet, but as soon but if this board feels you're there yet, >> we're happy to start engaging in that. to me. >> I think I think I think it it's good that you say that we're going through the process of figuring out what to do. >> We are having listening sessions. We're having communication sessions. I would I would put that on social media. I

160would put that out however you can get it out in this community to people that they know that's aware of it. Cuz you don't want somebody to just be like, "When did this happen? I didn't know this was happen." >> I want to be clear. You said bond. I We're talking about facility planning. Absolutely. So I wouldn't I wouldn't talk about the word bond until you guys are all 70 saying this is the plan that we look on taking. >> So we don't want to talk about a bond until we have a plan that we're ready to take to the community. >> Let me let them know. >> Let me just name the nuance of it. The question was have you put that out there? I my point is I'm not our district is not

161going to communicate that until I hear from this board that that is what you are ready to do. So if you're ready to do that then we'll communicate this. But I think we're not quite there yet. >> I'm I'm shocked that this that what do you I'm shocked that we hired someone to help us build a plan so that we could have a bond in April. >> Like March March. Like I keep saying April. Like I thought that's what we were doing. Well, look, here's an example of why why you wouldn't name it that way. Can I use as an example? If 100% of your people would have said, "I'm opposed to a bond," you're not going to tell them you're running. Does that make sense? >> Because you're going through the facility. Well, no.

162Then you would have to make an extreme pivot would be my guess. Luckily, we didn't hear that. But you'd have to make a an extreme pivot to say, "Okay, well then what can you within your means do I think you're going to have to get through the next probably 6 or 8 weeks would be my guess before you start to see if a if a group if the group coaleses around a plan that could turn into a first phase or the or your march bond. the way that the way that we see it, the way it works the best is we're not getting ahead of the board, but we're not going ahead of the community either. >> Right. It's a very much of a balancing act >> cuz we're still in that listening understanding phase.

163And if we feel like we're saying, "Hey, we've got a plan. We're going to run a W issue already." They're like, "Oh, you weren't excited. I I didn't get a chance to say." So, there's a there's a fine line, right? But you also you're understanding. I mean, let's be honest. We all know that this is probably going to lead to a bond issue if everything lines up and we get a good plan, but we're not there yet. We got to get the plan first. You got to get some consensus and buy in and understanding what that is. And I think everything's going the way it should. But I think there's definitely you can communicate that this process is going and that you know if somebody ask you where we headed for a bond if we

164found the right plan. Yeah. >> That's in fact. >> Yeah. They want to know. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know why >> if we find the right plan. Yeah, potentially. I don't There's no wrong saying that. You know, I very clear we're looking towards a bond issue in March. >> I think we have to make a decision by December as a board if we have a 70 vote to go forward. I don't think I wouldn't be f in favor of going forward with the bond if we don't agree 70. >> I'm missing something deeply. Well, >> um, what you're talking about, Perry, is that we have the right plan that this board will go 70 on, >> right? >> This board is already 70 on the fact that we're trying to get the right

165plan to have a bond. That's what I think needs to be communicated to the community. >> Not there yet. >> What do you mean we're not there yet? >> The community hadn't spoken. Here's how >> you ought to go to the meeting the next meeting. Just be a quiet mouse and sit in the back like Laura and I did. Chelsea went the other one with Laura. We'd only have two people there. So if you're available, you ought to go >> and I went as a community member multiple times, too. And so I'm happy to do that. What is what is hard for me is that people are asking and it feels like we're giving an answer that isn't transparent. >> Can I help a little bit? Here's here's what I just used at a a

166community event where I was asked the same thing. I said we are working right now on long range facility planning and we anticipate that at least some first phase of that is going to be accomplished in a bond. That hasn't been determined yet, but there's statutoily now the law changed only March of 2026 if you can run it August or November. And our hope would be that we could have a plan that we're ready for running election in March of 26. I agree with what you're saying. I I do want to be clear because I I shared that too which is it's a very careful balancing act right now because of what you're saying which is we have to be careful to go out and say right now we know we're going to run a

167bond because then they're going to go then you don't then on the backside they say you have a plan >> Shiloh that is an amazing thing that you said like let's empower you to say that >> you did say at the seniors the other day >> yes and hopefully you said it today at the housing coalition >> I didn't get asked today at the housing Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, that's that's the truth, >> right? >> That's what we're doing. >> And I think that's, you know, what's it the it just feels weird when we dance. >> Mhm. >> Especially with what we've had going on with all of this for gosh, you know, going on four years now, right? >> Four years. Yeah. >> I mean, it's just it it's like we are working

168towards this because this is what our community needs. These are the people we have in place. We're hoping that we can work with our community to figure out what they uh support and desire by March. That's what I would say. I think question one should have read, do you support a bond with an increase of a plan is right instead of would you be comfortable with it? I would be curious to see if people how people would answer a direct question. Would you support a bond period? I think we're going to get to that point when we get closer to a couple of plans, couple options. We're going to ask, will you support this one at this tax rate? We're going to get there because we need >> to make that decision by December >>

169that when the resolution has to be passed. >> So, we are certainly also empowered to follow that Shiloh when we're talking to community members. Um, what you said and that's probably what you're saying too, Bill. They said we got a process to evaluate all our facilities and bond is just kind of one first step down the road 5 10 years from now you're going to do something different range planning most people understand that. >> So on our timeline we have a regular board meeting on the 13th and it's noted for a workshop. So what do we need to prepare? don't think and if we want to have that we can have it but I think that there's between now and the next committee meeting which is the 20th it gives us a lot of time

170to kind of really hone in on uh three maybe four I think four is probably the max more concepts with more definitive dollars and some plans that people can really look at and say I support that I don't like that but I think we also need to talk about this this potential of a 5678 at Eisenhower cuz that's a different plan than 678 at Eisenhower. It's a I think there's legs there. But if you take fifth grade out of the elementary schools that ripples the elementary schools so does that look like that's probably definitely not two buildings elementary schools. Doesn't make sense to have three if you don't have fifth grade in it >> and then >> so that all starts to you know ripple right. So I think if we want to have think

171about it like you said there's a lot to take in and you'll have all this information that you can look at and digest if we want to have that again and the 13th and come back and say and then Shalo can go talk to his u his educators about those ideas and see what they think. That's definitely doable. It's up to you really. It's your time your evenings. >> We can I'll be available. >> Well actually to be clear that's already a pre that's already a board meeting. So whether we would have you on the agenda is really what that's about. >> Um is is and I'm going to ask this would it be >> would it behoove as kind of that next step for those options you just talked up to four to be

172then next filtered through your comm community committees after think provide an update on the 13th. I want to be able to say in that meeting on the 20th that we've done that homework and we've vetted this out and this plan just doesn't work educationally for the teachers or whatever that information is so we can answer the questions like why aren't you doing that? >> Well, we looked at it. We we flushed it out and it doesn't make sense operationally or educationally or whatever it is. So I think with that homework is valuable to have just so we have that information and that and that you're aware of what that those conversations are that we're going to be talking about the public too. So uh let's plan on doing it. >> What happens in this space

173cuz that's a long space between now and >> the point there's a lot of homework to do on that. >> I get that for you but what about the rest of there's a lot of space for us in the Yeah. I thought we had one. We don't the 13th. >> The next com committee meeting is the community meeting is the 20th. So there's >> I thought we had another special board meeting. >> It was slated. No, it the workshop that was being referenced was the it was we were going to include a a workshop discussion on our regular meeting on the 13th. Okay. >> And we will probably provide still an update for you all on the 13th. But I think the point here is that if the next phase is really to have our

174committee community group chew on this, it'll probably just be more of an update for the board on the 13th and then that following week, we'll be having them chew on and give feedback to it. Is that what I'm hearing? >> Yeah. I think that if we come in on the 13th, it would be a rough draft of what we're going to present on the 20th. >> Yeah. So you have ability to say this works doesn't work you know that doesn't >> and then we have another one on the 27th of October right do you have some so here's what I wonder um have you heard some things here tonight that have really helped you to think about oh there's another couple iterations of plans that you could put together for the community >> I think

175there's I mean what I'm hearing is that there's a lot of support for Eisenhower being a middle school sometime >> there's also Um u the I'm hearing more about the high school remaining at the high school site for dollars. We would love to have a brand new high school, but maybe those dollars don't add up, but I still think it's still on the table because it got voted very high. We can't just walk away from it. Uh, I think that there's some room to explore this Fizz 6 and the Eisenhower wing and 78 over here with the shared space between them is definitely a potential. Not sure how the back kid cafeteria and the lunchroom works on that just yet, but we can have some more conversations about that. So, when you're thinking that through,

176help me. Uh, this is a very small segment of our voting population. >> Um, >> who may not have the same, well, I'm going to say they don't, right? So, how do we reach some more of those individuals? be it us as board members. I mean some of us are already doing that but >> there's excellence K12 I believe is a polling company and there you know me writing a question for poll just you know we we're not professional pull takers they can actually do that and it's a there's a cost to it right but they will call enough people to get a representation and they're within I think they say they're within 5% they prove that up for votes >> and they will tell you what plan people are supporting. Now, what's when do

177we do that? I'm not so sure just yet. If it's three options or four options when they go make that call, but they're going to want to know what dollar amounts those things are because people they're going to ask the question. I'm wondering like even before like in this space that we have right now in these couple weeks that we're still missing um and and maybe that is individual's responsibility but I want to be mindful of our charge to be um responsive and engaging um to as many people as possible. I don't know what that looks like. I was hoping that a neutral party would come in and engage some of the folks that have had a hard time with with the board as a body. Um, you know, there's that's what I was hoping.

178>> Well, we're we are acting a little bit like that, but I think it'd be great to have an an a survey company come in and do that survey that would be like really representative the whole voting uh community at some point. I just don't know when that is. let me do that research and find out when that they feel that's the best time to do that for this community. But I think for your if I think what you're saying, Laura, is that you know, how do we convey this information out to people when we're in Kate? Um, we might want to think about putting a website together that's on your on your uh website for all this information to live so people can go look at it and see where they're at in the

179process. I think we're probably at that point. That would be good something to get some get that set up. >> That would be hard to add a page. We just to be clear, we've already communicated out via our newsletter and we'll continue to do that and we've already shared some of these initial insights through our newsletter. Uh not that that's the end end all be all, but absolutely we can get a website going and we can coordinate with you all to do that. >> Um >> it still misses people. I'm just trying to think as many like there there's layers to this and communicating and engaging. Um, and of course there's always going to be those that don't, but I just want to be mindful in this process that we're getting some of the opportunities

180out there more than maybe we are already that's just my thought. I don't >> last meeting we you had indicated at some point we need to put those guard rails up but we didn't want to weigh in on that as board until we heard from the community. So in our process, when do you anticipate asking us? Okay. What's the dollar parameter? What's a scope? Is that going to be in that November time frame? I think so. Yep. Yep. Yeah. We're going to have to have a we're going to have to present a this is the plan or plans. You're going to have to debate it and say this is the one we want to write a bond resolution for or not. Yeah, I I personally reflected on just the conversation on that and I think

181the dollar amounts and the actual impact. I think that's what I'm interested to hear from the committee and then as we see that is if people really filter what they're >> is there any value is there any value of having the bond council come on the 13th to talk about >> Yeah, that's a good call. We can definitely do that. >> Can you just clarify when you say the committee? I don't want folks that might listen or watch this later. This is the these open facility conversations that you're talking about. Are you talking about a different group? >> No. >> To be clear, those are called we are calling those the long range facility committee and anyone that is in fact invited and those all that have been coming are have been personally invited. We've

182also added to it. So, anyone that's listening, it is a committee and because it's filtering through that, but there anyone that would be interested in doing it should absolutely uh join us at McFersonen Middle School on October 20th. >> Yeah. >> Starting at 6:00. >> So, the handout that was put out, what was the October 21 meeting that was listed on there? >> So, I was just about to clarify. I'm going to send an updated uh timeline for the board because a couple of those things that are on there, but the 21st is what we were targeting for a community session for hey, we've been able to this is yeah for for actually now to expand it beyond this kind of group that's been able to work on it. We certainly would invite them. It

183almost would be hey bring your friends >> and then it would be is that is that what you're envisioning? >> Yeah. still thinking the 21st for that. >> We were talking about that today. It's a really quick turnar around, >> right? >> But I think that in the next week or so, we're going to have a better idea of what these plans really look like dollar-wise. >> I I the only thing that gives me pause is going into that and then the rail the wheels come off a little bit. They're like, "Wait a minute, wait a minute. That's not what we talked about. We don't and then we're got a meeting scheduled the next night. We don't have enough time to react." >> That's the only thing that gives me a little bit of pause

184about that. So we might want to sh look at that together and kind of talk it through that with >> change the date. >> We can that's what I'm saying. We might want to look at that see if we want to do that and then also filter in when we want to do that survey in that process too. I think all those things you know we this is nothing but a malleable process. I want to be as flexible as we can possibly but we'd also be respectful of people's time. >> Mhm. >> Y okay. We'll work on that and bond counsel. >> Yeah. I mean, he sent me over a worksheet, but you need to hear from him. So, you can ask him good for you. Dustin from Piper Sandler, which some of you is

185>> you have a firm save by closing the middle school. >> That's a great question. I think no, actually, uh, you may have that. Yes, we should. >> I'm just saying go forward. To me, that's a heck of a >> Yeah. So, we savings. >> It'd be a tremendous savings and it'd be extremely difficult to try to Well, it wouldn't be extremely difficult. Yes. It's a short answer. To be clear, one of the things that uh Dwayne and I had got feedback from one of the folks at the meeting was for any of the options to come forward, there'd be some good information in gathering that. So, the reason I say that about the middle school is that'd be interesting because um you're transitioning it over what it would look like. It's easier to say

186if this building over here went completely offline, for example, for elementaryaries, there's different staffing that changes some of those impacts. We we've already calculated those. So, I could share that pretty easily. But thinking about how this would shape up, I wouldn't be able to it wouldn't be as easy as saying this is how much your middle school cost you right now and it that cost would go away. But yes, absolutely. I I want to have that in front of you. Uh because absolutely that's informative. >> Well, I think it's informative for our community, everyone. Well, >> especially when you're hearing about efficiencies and >> but really I mean that building I'm sure has some real inefficiencies, but really you're talking about the staffing cost for an elementary school because all the middle school staff just

187move somewhere else, right? Which most of our expenses are from people. >> Correct. >> And so you're really I mean >> that's why so honestly what we'll do is exactly what we've talked about it. will run kind of hey if we were to do this what all would change and what would the s what would the operational expenses be saved >> yeah and I think there's you know there's a little bit of we didn't really ask the question specifically but in this plan there's the low hanging fruit that kind of make a lot of just general sense and one of those is the transportation warehouse building and this building kind of costs and overheads they're involved in those, then I I think it makes a lot of sense to try to consolidate those two in

188this process for as little dollars as possible. >> Mhm. >> So, you know, if it means quit paying rent for the bus barn and move operations and or warehouse and and maintenance over there, does that mean spending money on that barn after you build it, or does it mean we're buying a lot and we're tearing it down and building a big, you know, pre-engineer building on it to do that? I think those are things that just make sense operationally to think about doing. You know, the park building, sell the park building the park and they can expand their park. You know, that's what it's named after. You know, I don't know and sell this building cuz I'm sure this is worth some money. But those that shows that you're giving something up and you're also

189being frugal with the dollars. I think that goes a long ways cuz when you're just talking about closing the building, what what are you going to do to you? They want to know if you got some skin in the game. I think that's, you know, no way of showing that we're being good stewards and it just kind of makes sense. >> Well, I think cuz didn't Evan, you told us before that we're still paying about 2 million bucks out of capital outlay for salaries. We got to get rid of that cuz that's one of the main complaints that people had that you didn't take care of the buildings. Well, part of the reason is because we're spending money for salaries in that fund. We got to change that, folks. And this is one way to

190do it to save some money by closing the building. Yeah, I again that's extremely nuanced. I don't disagree. Just so you're all aware, it's the same. Yes, we need to have that conversation. It's not as easy as that because what you free up, if you want to transition that out of there, you got to free that up in your LOB in your general. So, and if you free that up in your LOB in your general, that's also where you pay salaries. That's where you're keeping your staff. So there also still becomes programming questions that this group and others have to be con considered. Um you know there's a lot to that that law that changed and this is what I echoed and I mentioned the vast majority of districts it's not a McFersonen only thing

191are are as a result of the law that changed almost a decade and a half ago now are paying still salaries out of capital. So I guess the other thing to echo too is while it is something that we need to be conscientious of and working to try to to get pulled out of there, it also needs to be made known that it's not like McFersonen's the only group doing it. >> No, it's common practice. >> Very it's a well it became instantly common practice when the law changed and that was the only way to take care of >> your people who were taking care of buildings. So I just um there there's a lot of energy around that and emotion and and I can appreciate that. Uh but that's been like I said 13

192years ago that law changed >> and to be thoughtful about that when that law changed it was understood there was a budgetary uh crisis kind of happening and it was known that when we started to do that to when schools started to have to go that direction that eventually there was going to have to be more burden on a taxpayer from a different direction and so the whole thing is >> difficult. Well, and then only briefly and then interestingly enough and some of the alarm bells started at that point. But because systems across the state all did exactly what places like McFersonen did, that also meant that projects instantly got pushed off and they kept getting pushed off because the funding never came. it was supposed to >> and and then what happened was a

193lot of infrastructure across our state that helps with K12 education had delayed projects that would hadn't got done and so boards like this and others around the state are having these tough conversations right now and so that's where there it is all a product where you don't notice it >> two years out but those projects catch up with you because of of a reality of funding and and then again and why and I shared this with our group the other day and I I only since I have a captive audience will continue to be in front of it which is we have one more year after this that we know how our schools are going to be funded one and then we don't know how we're going to be funded. I can I from a

194just a trend, we're likely going to have a Republican governor with two with a super majority in the House and the Senate. That's not been historically a favorable position to be in for school funding. And so we can imagine that we're going to have potential issues as it relates to that. So we're absolutely on in the right position to be having these conversations now so that we can be be ahead of that and so >> thank you. How about that? Thank you. And thank you Mr. Cash for congratulation. >> Appreciate that. >> You getting help you need? >> What's that? >> You getting help you need from us? >> So we have one more item. request a break for a couple minutes. >> Make sure [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. [Music] Hey. Hey. [Music] Heat.

195Heat. [Music] your answer. >> Yeah, you're live. Great. We are back. Um we have one more item for this evening which is an executive session for negotiations. So make a motion to go into executive session discuss proposals being considered in contract negotiations with teachers pursuant to the exception for employee and employer employee negotiations under the Kansas open meeting act and the open meeting will resume in the boardroom 10 minutes. Okay. How about 9? How about 8:55? >> 8:55. Okay. The executive session will include the board, superintendent, assistant superintendent. >> Thank you. All in favor say yes. Yes. The post [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Oh, [Music] hey. [Music] Where? [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] Hey. Hey. Hey. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Well, I appreciate all the good conversation. This will adjourn. there.

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