001Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Good evening everybody. Welcome to the August 19th, 2025 meeting of the Lichfield Planning Board. Would you all please stand for the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. >> Okay, I'll start with the roll call of members. Michael Croto, chair. >> Jared Okonnell, vice chair. >> Jesse, no. Alternate. >> Riley, member. >> Travis Tucker, member. >> Jai, secretary. Okay. And not with us this evening is our exeicio member Mr. Ganon. Um and Russ Blanchett. So we do have a me regular member absent. I did believe he said he wasn't going to be here today tonight. Uh so Jesse,
002did you want to be the voting member? >> Yes. >> In his place. All right. So we're going to appoint you as the alternate voting member. Um and um Okay. Perfect. Um, public input on non-aggenda items, items not on the agenda for this evening. Does anybody have anything that they wish to comment publicly about anything that's not on the agenda tonight? Okay. Hearing none, I will close public input on non-aggenda items. Um, we're going to start with number one this evening. This is a site application. Dan Gable, property owner. Linda Jacobson, 502 Charles Bankraftoft Highway, Tax Map 21, lot 12. Is the applicant present this evening? All right, why don't you come forward, have a seat at the table, uh, state your name and address, and introduce introduce yourself to the board. Hi, I'm Dan
003Gable. I live in Lindaderry at uh 41 Sparhawk Drive in Ladere. Um, and I'll be teaching at this at Linda Jacobson's old place. >> Okay. >> All right. Um, so this has to do with a sign. I guess it's an application for a sign. Um, and I believe there is some materials in here regarding this application. Um, some photographs, couple letters and Okay. Um, so this is for a um is it a pistol course? Is that or a >> it's it's firearms all firearms training? Is that what it is? Okay. rifle, pistol, self-p protection. >> Okay. Um Okay. And we have a letter from Miss Jacobson dated June 16, 2025 that designates Mr. Gable to um represent me at planning board meeting regarding the sign application for signs to be placed on my property 502
004Charles MRO highway New Hampshire 03052 signs are needed in order for him to operate his business at my location. So we >> a little easier to see. >> Oh, thank you. Does anybody have any questions? >> Are there multiple businesses in this location? Didn't we had somebody here? >> He he didn't he didn't um stay. >> Yeah, you're right. We had uh someone who was going to >> wholesale automobiles or something. Remember that? >> So, this is single tenant then, right? Right. >> I was going to say I didn't think there was that much parking over there. >> As of now, she's changed her sign to read office suites. So, >> yeah, I saw that. >> There's about 20 spaces back there, I think. I actually I just have a question about um the sign
005itself because I remember from that April 1 um meeting you know one of the things is that you know we like to have the signs match the character of the building and to an extent the town as well too. Um, is there any intention on converting it from the sandwich boards to what Linda currently has at 502 CB highway? Not at this point. Uh, what we're going to do is it uh the signs change depending on what class is being taught. So it's not so the top part of the sign the whole sign changes but the date and then the date changes. So the pistol class, the rifle class, self-p protection in the home, outside the home, concealed carry, all those cl all those signs change. And then the new date shows at the bottom.
006And uh that's it. And there's >> that's it. That's we had to we had to fit it in with this so she could have her one sign. So I had to combine it with her site. >> Yeah. Okay. See that. Um how do students find your courses? Is there a website or a newsletter or >> Yeah, I have a website and then also National Rifle Association is the main website that that supervise all instructors internationally. And so most people go to that site first to look for courses and then they'll find us under the different disciplines and see what dates are being offered and then they just check and it takes them through a full sign up process and then I get an email establish contact. >> Thank you. >> Uh I have a message
007from Paul Kelly at the fire department. >> Yeah. that no classes should be held until the fire department inspects the building. >> Okay. >> Even though Linda said that was inspected when she first opened, but they need to get in there again. >> So, the inspector came today and I went through the inspection with him. >> Oh, good, good, good. >> Okay. >> So, I think for the folks at home, they should have the benefit of hearing what we're seeing, which is that your Your class is truly a classroom. There'll be no firing of weapons. That's correct. >> Of any kind. I mean, I just for the folks absolutely probably like, "What?" >> So, we f we shoot at the lined fishing game range. >> And uh the class is totally academic. There's handling of
008firearms, but the firearms there's no live ammunition allowed in the classroom. We use what are called snap caps, which is a a dummy round, so they can learn how to load and unload and clear and learn how to identify the proper rounds for the for the firearm. And uh then we go to the range. That's where it all comes together. >> Okay. Thank you for >> Yeah. No clarifying so that friends at home can hear. >> Yeah. N is like really on they'll send people out and they watch me teach. >> So I have a question about Um, if we're back to the sign and to follow on Jesse's um question about where you find your students and that you have a calendar online that shows the classes that you have. Are you does your
009sign have to be something that constantly changes like that? You feel that that's integral to your business? >> Oh, yeah. A lot of drive by traffic sees it. In fact, I had two I had two interested calls this last week because the drive by sign. >> You think it's because >> Oh, definitely. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, have you looked into alternative configurable signs that are more professional looking? >> Yeah. Uh, I'm moving from Marramck Firearms. They just expanded into into the classroom and created a a firearms secure storage area for people like like uh uh estates, things like that. And so I lost the classroom. So I had an A-frame in front of me in front of me firearms uh for you know an A-frame sign. And that is that is a cut down
010version of the A-frame sign so we could start teaching. But as we pick up more classes, I probably will refine the sign. And I'm thinking actually the problem is the space I have. It's very limited. You have to be able to see it from the highway too. That's difficult because there's a when you're coming north there's a little hill you cross and then as you just before you get to uh the driveway that comes here there's a hill to cross and oh there's a sign over there. It's it's not easy to see. So that's that's what best we could do because I had to move I had to get the sign underneath her sign because it had to be one sign there. She's allowed one sign. >> You could probably make it wider and ever
011so slightly reduce the font size like >> Oh, we might. We might. That that uh that font size and that size is calibrated at reading a sign at 45 miles per hour at the distance that you can pick it up. It's the highway graphic um font that's used in traffic signs. So I'm looking at um our zoning ordinance which is section 1503.00 and this is refers to the district requirements for highway southern southwestern northern commercial district. This is in the northern commercial district commercial industrial district and A through D. Uh so A says each lot may have one freestanding sign with a maximum area of 32 square feet, not including reader board. Up to 32 square feet of reader board attached to the sign shall also be allowed. Um each occupant of a multi-tenant building
012may have one additional sign not to exceed four square feet attached to the building. All size measurements made on the face of one side of the sign and exclude poles and mounting brackets. Uh signs may be doublefaced. Um, fascia signs on front of the building may not exceed 35% of the length of the building occupied by the applicant and not more than two feet in height. Mobile signs um will be permitted for new businesses within 6 months of opening on a temporary basis for no more than 30 days. Playing board proof is not required for temporary signs. Permit issued by the building inspector is required. All signs which are not attached to the building which I this is not attached to the building must be set back at least 10 feet from right away or
013property line. So that's basically our our ordinance. Um so just so for education purposes and let the board know um where we are. >> So did I hear you correctly then that temporary signs are not allowed? It says um planning board approval is not required for temporary signs. Um >> they go through the building >> but a permit issued by the building inspector is required for temporary signs. >> I'm asking this question because >> given the nature of his sign and how it changes, you know, it reminds me of something that you would find on a sandwich board or a-frame as you will. >> Um but that is a very, you know, heavily traveled road. I have no idea what wind velocity goes through there and I would hate for anything to be a uh
014you know an impediment in the roadway of any kind. >> Um but that that would lead me to that um and that would be separate. I know I understand. Um, but as a permanent fixture, it's, you know, it's not necessarily fitting with character and everything else. Although I suppose that's not dictated in the ordinance. Well, according to this um I mean it doesn't really address um correct me if I'm wrong a architectural uh or design you know in terms of um character um unless it was in a residential district then you'd be looking at architecture of the home and and all that stuff but we're not we're not using that. >> Yeah. I mean 1500.01 01 does say uh complements the character of the zoning district and surrounding land uses, but that's a very that's
015about as as concrete as we get. >> And this is in the commercial. >> Oh yeah, just about like two pages up district. >> Yeah. >> And because it's changing changeable considered a reader board, >> right? >> Okay. So So maybe I'll start uh Joan have there been so the we have a completed application I assume has been submitted and all fees have been paid by the applicant. >> Okay. And any butters notified or >> no not no because it's not a lit sign. >> Okay. Um so at this point I guess and Jay had an opportunity. Did you have an opportunity to review this? Okay. >> Um, so I think we would vote to accept the application for completeness and then if we want to go further, we can. So at this point, this
016is really a paper exercise that having completed the application and submitted the required documents and and the fees paid um I'd entertain a motion to um uh accept this application for the completeness So moved. >> I have a motion by Travis. Do I have a second? >> Second by Jeremy or any further discussion on the application for completeness. All those in favor of the application for completeness or acceptance, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> Those opposed abstained. Motion passes 6 0. Okay. So we've done the application for completeness. Now the next question is um does the board have any other questions regarding this sign application? anything that you want to mention? >> Jay, you had an opportunity to review it. Do you have any comments? >> Uh, yeah. I mean, I I I
017think we probably struggled with some of the same issues I think the board is struggling with, but I mean, it meets the square footage requirements. It meets the setback requirements. So, it's it does meet the requirements of the ordinance. >> Okay. >> Yeah. My only concern is an NFL, but with leather there as far as it being possibly blown into the road and not being a fixed sign. >> So, you know, that may be a consideration. >> I did assume it was attached to the main sign, but maybe the applicant could clarify how it is. >> You know, right now that sign is positioned to take a photograph, >> right? >> Because that sign's not legal until you pass. >> Right now, there's an there's a sandwich board sign to the right of that main
018sign. >> Yep. That's the temporary sign I paid for, right? And so that temporary sign is just to its right right now with the same legend, right? But I took another sandwich board and positioned that to take a photograph so you could see what would look like. >> But it it will be attached actually between the two verticals. >> It will be between it will be attached to those two verticals. >> I don't want I can't attach it to the other sign. That's illuminated sign. It's >> powered. >> I see. Okay, >> no worries if not. But do you have any idea yet how you plan to affix them to the poles? >> Yeah, it's going to be the frame of the sign is going to have compression uh bolts that are going to push
019those uh those are granite pillars and they're pretty deep. So, they can take that's the way it's going to be. Right. >> This going to look something like that. All right. So, it's going to have a little more white space on the sides. >> Mh. And right now that's the font size and that's the character size and character types that I used in front of the the firearm store >> that was designed to be read at 45 miles per hour. So we may change as things go on. We may change the color of the characters to match her color because I've been consulting with her because she does such an incredible job on the building. >> I didn't want to make it look real junky, >> but that's what I had it that's what I
020already had made up. Those signs are shipped to me by another company. >> Okay. That helps. Thank you. >> Yeah. My concern would probably be that it's looks like a temporary sign a fixed to a permanent sign. >> Yes, it >> it is. It's braced up there to take the picture. >> And um how will the permanent be differ? How will it differ from what is pictured there? >> It will fill the entire space below that sign. So the font height will change probably and uh little because you can see the white space on those sides are crowded right now, right? U and it it may it's going to have my phone number on the left side, right? But it's going to be it'll fill that entire area. I'm concerned about her new tenants as
021they come along, what we're going to do about that. I didn't realize till you read it again. And I've read that article several times >> that in a multi-tenant building there might be some adjustment, >> but she's done such a wonderful job on the building itself. It's just it's really a pleasant looking building. She actually has picked the stone colors >> and I was concerned even about that. All right. So, uh that's where I want to start with and then if the business picks up then I'll invest in a much better a much better sign. >> Has the permanent sign been ordered yet? Pardon me. >> Has the permanent sign that will be a fixed between the posts has that been ordered yet? >> No, I have to build it yet. I wanted to hear
022you guys out before I did that. >> Yeah. Um, well, one thing to keep in mind is the speed limit there is 40. And though probably plenty of people don't follow that, a lot of people are also slowing down for the turn there. So, they're going to be going slower than 40 turn at least. Um, so it might make sense to go to a font for 40 miles per hour instead of 45. >> Okay. >> Because it definitely looks out of place size wise. >> Yeah. >> And I I've been able to read that sign uh her sign >> in the past without a problem. >> And with the wider sign, will there be room below it? Will the aspect ratio be such that it's >> the aspect ratio will change. It'll it be more
023horizontal >> uh >> and you're not planning on uh saying your business name just the class that's happening. >> Yeah, it'll have the business name too. They'll have better but because I'm reducing the font reducing the font size. I can't crowd it because I need white space so people can pick it up. >> But uh it's going to fill in the entire area down there below that sign. I wonder if you could do like a a very narrow permanent sign that uh like permanent font sign that has the business name and your phone number and then below that have the configurable area for the >> That's a good idea. U that's a wonderful idea. >> I think that could look a lot more professional. >> Yeah, those that sign that sign is is on that
024plastic that you see on the yard on the yard sale sign. the signs that plug into the grass, which is a standard uh sandwich board size. All right. Uh that's the one that's the sign that was used in front of me firearms. And so I just slid that into the holder. That's a holder there. All right. So I'm free to redesign design that better. I would like to make it look better, too. >> So like use her font type and try to duplicate that font type. >> Yeah. With your business name and your phone number. Yeah. >> And then below that have the configuration >> the reader board down there. Right. >> Well, and there's not going to be that much real estate in the height department anyway because at the end of the day,
025I mean, when it snows, right? I mean, yeah. >> In fact, in fact, >> it's going to cover your sign, which you don't want. >> You're right. In fact, I anticipated when I thought I could have a standalone sandwich board sign, >> I was going to place it in a planter to get it up out of the snow because at Mary McFires, it did obscure my the snow did obscure my dates and I had to go out every day and dug dig the snow out. I um I drive by um CBH on my way to and from work and when I first saw the sign and I wasn't aware that there was another tenant in there I was like oh like it just says basic pistol class but I wasn't trying to look up online
026you know who where and when right and it wasn't until reading the the agenda that um I saw your business name so I don't know just my perspective seeing other you know professional businesses usually it's the name of the business and contact info, right? And a lot of the classroom instruction, you know, I think people would be directed be compelled or intrigued to go to your website, right, where they can see a calendar of all the courses and how to sign up and things like that. I think that could save some real estate um on your signage. And >> you know, the gift of being, you know, one of her first or only tenant at this point is, you know, you have the opportunity of being on the sign, right? any other folks that follow,
027you know, in those like multi-use offices where they have like a directory on the front door, right? Listing their business names. But I think you have the gift here of coming a little bit earlier and, you know, hopefully making the sign, you know, match what's currently there because, you know, it it is a nice sign and she took a lot of pride, you know, into building that. So, you know, I think us as board members want to see, you know, some consistency and a similar design language. I don't know how she's going to handle the multiple tenant issue because this there's only so limited area in there. >> You go down the street, you go south and you get to the small tube company and they've got a huge sign with a huge uh reader
028board. I mean a reader board that's like you could put a book on it, you know? Right. >> Grandfather. >> Yeah, >> grandfather. >> Okay. >> All right. At this time, I'm going to open it up to public comment. Is there any members of the public uh that wish to comment on this application this evening? All right. Hearing none, I will close public comment. Bring it back to the board. Um what is the will of the board? What would you like to do? Conditionally approve. I think um I mean obviously the sign kind of conforms to all our zoning requirements so I think that meets the mark. My only kind of concern is that it seems like some of the I think it was question that maybe like a phone number might go on there.
029It just seems like maybe some of the kind of actual text is still up in the air um as well as maybe the dimensions. So um I mean I know for it says we're supposed to get like a proposal of the actual design that will go up. Mhm. >> I mean, I wouldn't mind kind of conditionally approving in the instance that, you know, we were provided the kind of final design and then that would be fine. But that's kind of what I feel. >> Okay. Anybody else? >> Can I ask Kim a question? Do you feel you've gotten enough from us to if you we were to conditionally improve and you come back for a quick look see, do you feel like you've heard enough from us about what we're looking for. >> Yes, I
030am. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I can I just got to because I'm teaching I'd like got to start classes pretty quick. So, I got to start working on that sign at the same time. So, >> yeah, >> I agree with Travis. I'd like to see also the fact that it has to be permanently mounted to the grant post. So, that'd be fine. >> I'm sorry I didn't pick up on that. >> The design of how you going to permanently mount it. So your expansion bolt or whatever it's going to be. >> Yes. >> As part of your spec, you turn back and notice your final design. >> Yeah. >> Correct. >> Now, since since I submitted this drawing in this picture is I started looking at how I'm going to change the format to
031more of a horiz horizontal format. >> And uh how I was going to mount it and get my name in there and get my telephone number in there, website in there, and that's all right now in sketches. So I would be be glad to provide a follow-up sketch before we go permanent if you want to do that. That'd be great. >> Yeah. >> Great. >> Be perfect. >> So, right now my temporary sign is up, you know, so I'll be working on that. When would you like to see that sketch? And >> how long is the uh temporary sign good for? >> Let's see. >> 30 days. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's 30 days. But do you remember when I submitted that? >> About days a week ago. So will um is there enough time by
032the next meeting for us to >> second? Yeah. >> Review this. >> Yeah. >> So we can table it to September 2nd. >> Okay. >> And we'll have more final >> So what we can do is we can continue the hearing to September 2nd, but we're going to need a motion to do that. So does anyone want to make a motion? So, it's the September 2nd hearing. >> Uh, yeah. >> Yeah. Is that >> enough time for you? Do you think you have a >> Is that Yeah, >> I think I could do that. >> Okay. >> So, I'll make a motion to um extend this um uh public hearing to um September this September 2nd. >> Okay. I have a motion by Jared. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Second by
033Travis. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor of the motion to continue to September 2nd, please signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed, abstain. Motion passes 600. We'll see you in September. >> Thank you everybody. >> Have a great day. >> Thank you. >> Good night. >> Okay. Next item on the agenda. Lot line adjustment at 94 Pinerest Road. adjustment is reducing a 3 acre lot at tax map 13 lot 20 into a 1acre lot and adjusting the lot line with tax map 13 lot 19 creating a 27.6 6 acre lot after the adjustment. Owner applicant is Maurice Morren, 78 Pinerest Road. Is the applicant present this evening? >> I think he is. Can the applicant introduce himself to the board? >> Hi, good evening. My name is on >> Should be.
034>> My name is Rob Degan with SNH Land Services. I'm the uh surveyor for the applicant. Uh Mr. Morren is here in the audience. >> Um even Okay. Um so we do have a this is a lot line adjustment. Um and this goes under our um subie subdivision and site review subdivision control regulations >> under 320.06. Um >> so um first of all we'll look and see if we have everything we need for the application. Joan have all fees been paid? Um notified >> and All um paperwork been submitted. >> Yes. Um but notified August 5th and fees have been paid. >> Okay. And um Jay, have you had an opportunity to take a look at this plan? >> Yes. >> And file that it is uh for completeness and uh appropriate for acceptance. >>
035Yes, the plan's complete. >> All right. Uh so I have uh fees paid, but notified, paperwork has been submitted, and the plan has been reviewed and is for completeness. So at this time, I'd entertain a motion to accept the application for completeness. Do we have a motion? >> So moved >> by Travis. Uh do I have a second? >> Second by Jesse. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor of the motion to accept this application for completeness, please signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed, abstained. Motion passes 600. Okay, so at this point, uh, we've accepted the application for completeness. Uh, we're going to ask the applicant to make his presentation. So, go to the floor. Thank you. Um, so this is a pretty straightforward application. Mr. Mour is the owner of
036both lots here. The, uh, existing lot 19, which is, uh, a little over 25 acres, and existing lot 20, which is just shy of 4 acres. And what we're looking to do is, well, I mean, you you all have it on your screens, so I'm assuming I brought handouts, but it doesn't seem like anyone needs them. Um, we're looking to reduce the size of lot 20 to the the minimum allowed in the zone. And then the the intent is to develop lot 20, put a house on it, and uh lot 19 will remain vacant for now. Uh we are requesting waiverss from the regulations for all the topography and soils and wetland mapping etc for lot 19 under the justification that we're just making it bigger. So what we're doing here will not impact its
037suitability as a lot and we have provided all all of the same for lot 20 to prove out that it is developable. Uh it's it's very good soil group A. Uh there's no wetland in the area that's being proposed as the reduced lot. There was some wetland. Pull these clamps off of here. There's a a wet area up here fronting along Albuquerque, but none of that comes into the proposed lot. And we're proposing to access off of Pinerest. There's an existing entryway onto Pinerest there, like a dirt drive, which would simply have a uh a paved driveway put into it. >> Yeah, I really don't have a lot else to say on it. Okay. >> How close is the dirt driveway to the intersection of Albuquerque? It's >> approximately a little over 100 ft. Anybody
038have any questions for the applicant? >> Okay. Well, don't hold back. >> Okay. So, where to begin? All right. So currently lot smaller of the two. >> Mhm. >> Lot 20, right? Yeah. About 20 uh is three plus acres. You're bringing that down to an acre and you're shrinking that, if you will, down to to that corner where Prankrest and Albuquerque >> meet. So if that's the case, you said there's no you're not requesting waiverss on this portion. Correct. On the >> correct. >> Okay. So then your intent to request waiverss on the remainder parcel >> lot 19. Have we heard that? We haven't heard those waiverss yet requested, right? I mean, what you you said topography and everything, but why why do you need to ask for waiverss if it's going to be left
039unimproved at this time? >> Because the regulations, subdivision regulations state that you provide all that data for the the uh the property under consideration. That's that's the standard. So, >> so we're we're asking not to do that because that constitutes a a great expense for no benefit because the again that lot is only getting larger. So if the purpose of those regulations is to ensure that we are creating, you know, viable lots and not, you know, traps for unsuspecting buyers, then there's there's no impact on the viability of lot 19 by making it three acres larger. >> Okay. But does it preclude you if you were to develop it in the future? I'm trying to understand. >> Well, if Mr. Morren would would like to develop that in the future, then he's going to have
040to come back before this board and provide all the relevant information at that time. >> We're just asking not to do it now in order to prepare this oneacre lot. >> Fair enough. I just wanted to hear you say it. Okay. Um and your your buffers are well within the far away from the buffer. Okay. Um I don't see Am I missing it? Um okay. I see the septic. Do I see the well? Oh, no. We've got municipal water down here, right? Yeah, >> we did include the letter from the water company providing providing certifying they can provide service. >> Okay, Joan, did you ask that question about the the distance from the corner? Do we have um do we have a rule in there? Well, we have a driveway or a driveway appendex and
041I'm not sure what the footage is, but you know 100 ft sounds it sounds reasonable. It's not right on the corner. It's good. We do have a I think it's appendix J. It's the driveway driveway appendix. That's it for now for me. Anybody have anything else? >> Jay, you have any comments? >> I mean, but for the waiver requests, um, you know, it's it is a pretty straightforward application and it is very complete. I think to the applicant's point, um, you know, any further subdivision, you know, proposed on the larger parcel would have to come back to the board and at that time you'd be able to address any of those issues or concerns. >> Yeah. Minimum distance is 100 ft. >> Yeah, it's 100T. Okay. Um, so do you just want to address um
042the waiverss um for the sections that you've listed here in your request and basically provide a justification for why you want the waiver. So from one one through nine. So you have section 530 00B boundary survey of entire parcel and location of all monuments. So I mean the the justification for all of them is the same is that we feel it's an an unnecessary expense because of you we're only making the lot larger and it's just not worth the the invested effort. I mean the lot has been surveyed in recent memory as well. So there is you know recent boundary lines were recorded. I believe the last time was when uh the end of uh Windsor A was subdivided. A lot the lot was surveyed at that time and has been monumented then. I admit
043I neglected to bring a copy of my waiver letter with me. So I don't actually have it in front of me. >> Okay. >> Struggling with >> because I was provided with this. What is the waiver? >> It's very It didn't make it into the packet. >> It didn't make it. >> Yeah. >> Please. >> Sorry about that. But >> that's all right. >> Flying blind here. And is it for the same for all the other waiver requests? Is that basically the >> that's the justification? >> Yeah, it's just we >> feel it is not worth >> it doesn't the the benefit does not justify the expense. >> Okay. Jay, any I think I already said you already made your comments. I'm sorry. >> Yeah, I mean I would add to the waiverss. I I
044I think that they are reasonable just given the size of the property and the fact that it's not going to be developed that it is that you know waiver request is reasonable >> requests are reason at this time I'm going to open it up to public comment. Um, does any members of the public wish to comment on the application and the request for waiverss for this application? Okay. All right. Hearing none, I will close public um comment uh and bring it back to the board. What is the will of the board regarding this slot line adjustment? And obviously we would have to address the waiver separately. So you wanted to entertain a motion for that, we can do that as well. >> Do we want to hear from the public or any other butters? >>
045No, I I just I opened it up to public comment and nobody said anything, so I closed it. >> So I brought it back to us. >> I I feel like it's fairly straightforward. Um Jay, do you think there's any kind of reason why we should be hesitant to not grant waiverss in this case? >> In this case, I don't think so. >> Good. >> I agree. There's nothing happening with a lot. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, for the motion, um should we we should probably explicitly rec read out >> Yeah, I would. Um just for the record. vieward. Um so I will make a motion to grant the waiver requests for um the or lot line adjustment map 13 lots 19 and 20 specifically for lot 19 um for the uh sections uh
0461300 B D E G H, J, O, R, and S for the reasons discussed in this meeting. >> Okay, I have a motion. Um, do I have a second? >> Second. >> All right, so motion by Jared. I have a second by Jeremy. Any further discussion regarding the waiver requests? All right, take a vote. All those in favor of um granting the waiver of requests um from section 530.00B 00 B through S uh for the uh lot line >> continuous >> right lot line adjustment map 13 lots 19 and 20 please signify by saying I >> I >> those opposed anybody abstaining all right motion passes 600 so that takes care of the waiver requests um as to the application itself and the lot line adjustment do we want to entertain a motion Does anybody
047want anymore? >> I'll make a motion to accept the lot adjustment as given to us now. >> Okay. >> to approve for tax map 13 lot 20. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> For map 13 lot 19 creating a 27.6 acre lot after the adjustment. Um I have a motion uh to approve by uh Jeremy. Do I have a second? >> Second by Jared. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed, abstained. Motion passes 600. >> Thank you. >> You're all set. Thank you. It's going to be interesting to see. >> Waver paper so I can scan that to the secretary. >> It's going to be interesting to see if they clear the corner that people complain about the visibility. As far as
048my first time working in Lichfield, >> we'll get the corner set and prepare the myar. Do we just turn it into Joan? And >> one myar. >> Yeah. >> Signs it. You record. >> We record it. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, it'll it'll get signed probably at the next meeting and then they'll give me a call and say, "Come get it." >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Sounds good. Okay. Okay. All right. Next item on the agenda this evening. We have a public hearing uh tonight for the following site plan amendments. Um, first one being the site plan regulations section 120.15 supplemental design guidelines for the mixeduse village development alternative. And we have a site plan regulations section 120.14 off streetet parking and loading. And for this I'm going to turn it over to um Mr.
049Jayen Car. >> Thank you. I want to scroll through these. I do have a paper copy if you're interested. >> So, um I'm just going to give a brief kind of overview highlight because I think that we've been through these several times, so we're probably aware of what they are. But uh just for for the benefit of those listening um last uh at last town meeting the town did adopt an amendment to uh the zoning ordinance to allow mixeduse village developments in the northern commercial zone. This is a direct outgrowth of that. Uh so what this step is is for the board to adopt uh regulations that spec you know specifically govern how those developments should take place in terms of uh overall layout design. Uh it includes uh standards for uh walkab walkability is
050a major part of this. So for sidewalks for um how the developments should connect uh with each other and with commercial spaces and uh general design guidelines for how the buildings should look both the residential as well as the non-residential regulations for landscaping and open space and I said regulations these are for the most part guidelines they're providing really the picture of of how uh we conceive these developments to be and Um so kind of just walking through this visually here. Um the uh regulations also or the proposed guidelines also include some illustrations that show um you know try visually um what we mean when we talk about some of these different requirements. So for instance there's a requirement that in townhouse type developments there's a 25% open space requirement in front of each unit.
051that's shown both as a diagram and um some images are shown as well. Um the overall goal is of course to um achieve developments that really fit in with the rural residential character of of the town. So that's really the primary focus of these guidelines to um foster developments that um you know are in keeping with that look and feel both for the commercial side and the residential side including things like pitched roofs um the orientation of the buildings and so there is a lot of emphasis on the architectural um you know appearance. That's really kind of the broad overview, but I'm happy to get into any um specifics if anybody would like to discuss any of these uh you know guidelines in greater detail. Anybody have any questions? >> I do believe we had
052some comments. >> Yeah. So, we did receive um I guess something tonight from the technical review committee. Um these are from I believe Miss Kleiner. Um and regarding the supplemental design standards, she's referring to um section 120.15.1, which is the general requirements that sidewalks are required. Um, so number one, sidewalks are required along at least one side of all public or private road frontages where appropriate. Unpaved pathways or trails may serve as an alternative to pave sidewalks. Sidewalks are required to connect public or private road frontage sidewalks to all front buildings, entrances, parking areas, central open space, any other designation that generates pedestrian traffic. Walkways should be designed to facilitate snow removal and mowing of adjacent landscape areas. And number four, where sidewalks and foot paths intersect with roads or drives, crosswalks should be installed
053to direct pedestrians, alert motorists, and improve visibility. Crosswalk should offer a noticeable change in texture and color. I guess her uh Miss Kleiner's question is uh who will be responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of these structures and will the town be responsible for the installation of crosswalks? What will be the process for approval? Would it be the town engineer, the board of selectmen, the road agent? So that's >> I can certainly address some of those comments. I I think for for the most part um the the developments that we would be contemplating are either on the residential side are either going to be privately owned and managed as rental uh properties or condominiums. And in both cases, it will be the either the owner and their management company or the association who will be
054maintaining their internal roads, sidewalks, crosswalks and making all those improvements to the extent that any improvements were proposed on a public right of way. Um those would be require of course the site plan overall requires town approval and will be reviewed by the town's engineer but that would require further approval. Uh as we know 3A is a state road and so anything in a state highway would have to be approved by New Hampshire DOT um in the event that that would in the event that that would be proposed at all. Any crosswalk would also, as is always a practice of the board, any of the improvements required are the responsibility of the developer. They're not the responsibility of the town to install. It is possible that an improvement proposed in a public rideway could ultimately
055be the responsibility of the town to maintain. That is possible. Um again realistically what we would be talking about is 3A and that would require both DOT approval and then an agreement between the select board and DOT. >> It could also be the basis by which we don't approve something if we don't feel like they've thought about that. I mean when Mr. Charbano was here he talked about wanting to um you know, understanding that he'd need to invest in that crosswalk, if you will, so that he could connect um for that purpose. Um, you know, we have the authority really to review those plans and say, "No, no, right here." Right. I mean, from what I I see is we have teeth. >> Absolutely. I mean, I understand the nature of her question and what
056it boils down to, but I don't think this board is going to be approving anything that doesn't meet with all of these things that we've asked them to attempt to comply to or with. >> I mean, I said that's right. Um, you know, right now we already have the um multi-use path on Albuquerque >> and we have the proposed sidewalk improvements that'll be coming down from the gas station to connect. So, realistically in the northern commercial zone, the only um you know, the only public rightway we would realistically be talking about would be 3A. And that would be not only would of course the planning board have a say certainly um but so would the select board and so would of course New Hampshire DOT. So that's as we know with the sidewalk that's proposed
057uh already that's an involved process. >> Do you think there's also consideration for that um her concern with regard to a crosswalk maybe across to the golf course across Albuquerque? >> I believe that's already planned. Right at the intersection. >> No. >> Isn't there a crosswalk at the intersection of 3A? >> That's a 3A. >> No, that's up at 3A. Talking about further back on Albuquerque. >> Albuquerque. >> Oh, I thought there was one shown right right across Albuquerque at 3A. >> Yeah, at 3A. There is that I think. Yeah, >> I'm talking about that section of Albuquerque from the back side of >> Morgan Road. >> Yeah, Morgan Road across to in between the driving range and the the club that's over there, >> right? >> It's possible that that could be proposed and
058if it were proposed, it would be, you know, a subject of discussion and review and it it can't just happen. In other words, it would >> But I think her concern probably lies in in that where now all of a sudden we've got all these people who might want to cross the road and >> go to the golf course, >> you know. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. It's that's absolutely a concern >> and they're not going to walk all the way up to 3A cross over and then come down. >> I think I think the one that has already been talked about that might be more likely is whether or not we've seen that there's potentially a development proposed on the east side of 3A um which we saw I think at our last meeting or
059the meeting before um proposed. So there was talk then of would we need a crosswalk across 3A to connect the two developments. So that's possible and then there was also concerns expressed around that. So there's I you know there's a possibility that we would see crosswalks proposed and that's something that would have to be vetted and discussed at that time. I think a theoretical situation that this could could become more of a concern would be if they for some reason tried to get a public road instead of a private road in the development, >> right? >> Does if the developer proposes that, can the town say no, that should be a private road? There's there's a lot of confusion and discussion going on with public road versus private road because they're going to gate the
060Morgan Road when it gets up towards 3A and you can't gate a public road. So they wanted to be a private road, but can you have a private road coming out onto Albuquerque? And then there was discussion about is a p is a private road a driveway and I think that the answer was no. Private road is not a driveway. So it could come out onto Albuquerque, but you can't have a driveway coming out into Albuquerque. So it's it's a lot up in the air with the roads, you know, >> and it is possible. There's nothing that says you can't propose a public road within one of these developments. That's absolutely possible. >> In which case, then there's a qu that's when these concerns would be more valid because right then there would be they
061could put sidewalks on both sides of the property and then the road agent might have to maintain those during the winter time. >> Well, yeah. To a point, what the town has to have is a winter winter maintenance policy and um that has to articulate its policy for winter maintenance. >> Would would the town be able to designate the adjacent property owner the one responsible? >> No. By statute, you can't do that. >> So, yeah. So, it's possible it's possible that there could be maintenance on the part of the town. >> So, I didn't realize there's actually another side to this document. Good thing I looked because I turned it over because there was another and it says here north end concept at Albuquerque and 3A and I think this is a question. Is this
062proposal requesting a variance on the driveway regulations? We have requested to see the legislation creating Albuquerque. Without proper review of the legislation, can't possibly approve this request. What precedent will this set? A liability of creating preferred treatment, potential future drive. Question, >> they're concerned about that waiver coming up by the commercial area. If that's a driveway coming out, then they need a waiver onto Albuquerque. And they're very concerned that if you you give one waiver, you're going to be opening up waivers all >> opening the door. So what specific waiver would that be? >> Because you can't have driveways onto >> Albuquerque. Albuquerque. >> Yeah. I mean, in my that's really a separate issue from the zoning. That's regarding a conceptual that's proposed. Certainly in my view, that's it's not a driveway. It's a street.
063It's just a private street. >> A private street is not the same thing as a driveway by definition and by the town's own regulations. So I don't think that's >> there's no waiver that would be required. >> Is there any specific thing the developer has to do when they build that for it to be a private road and not a driveway? >> Have to be the correct width for a road. >> Right. It's it's how it's approved. >> And the last thing, gas station, no issue with the plans per se. Need information for the storm water operation and management plans. expect requests for the 7:14 board meeting which has not been provided yet. See letter on portal. Do you know what that's >> we we um we got the drainage report. Well, we have a
064storm water drainage report on the gas station and we just got the information on the roadway alteration of terrain and the storm water on that. >> Those were conditions on the conditional approval at that point. Uh, so back to the driveway versus private road, is the biggest differentiator going to be the width of said structure? >> No, >> it's how it's approved. So, so I I'll read you the definition. So, we have a definition of a roadway. And that is a road, street, highway, or way intended for vehicular access, either public in parenthesis, state, county, municipal, or private that is shown on a plat. uh approved pursuant to law or as approved by any other official action. And then we have a definition of so a roadway can be either public or private. It can
065be municipal, county, state or private. Um, a roadway comma private is defined as a private road which is depicted on a subdivision plan approved by the Lichfield planning board is designed and constructed to town standards is guaranteed to remain open in perpetuity and whose permanent maintenance is governed is governed by covenants approved as part of the subdivision approval. So that's again roadway could be public or private. A private roadway specifically has a maintenance guarantee that is part of the approval. So it says a covenant but that would mean it's going to be in a homeowners association document. It's going to be embedded in the approval. So that's how that would be managed >> on paper definition. Not really a physical difference between >> there's no physical difference because we do require that a private road
066is built by town standard. two step town standard. And then we have a specific definition of driveway which is different than a road obviously. Um driveway is a physical structure intended as a dedicated uh temporary or permanent means of ingress or eress to a property or place. And then um you know again for the purpose of these regulations access from a public or private roadway is being regulated. So again, we contemplate that we have roadways and we have driveways that go from a roadway into a property. >> Well, I think the key differentiator besides a named sign that says it's a road, um it would be on the plan itself and how we see it because I think there were several variations of the plan that we saw. to your point Jeremy I think where
067there was just ingress and egress coming in and out of a thing which would imply a driveway. So we'll have to be mindful of that on >> absolutely and and make those those distinctions because um a roadway has to be built to town road standards and a driveway has to be built to the town's driveway standards and those are separate regulations. So >> in one of the earlier propos like conceptuals that we got from um Rick Charbano they there was a driveway on that one. So it was one road out and then just a little while just up the road there was another one into the the the commercial space on the top. >> So they're going to have to in the final one have one driveway or one private road there that can service
068both of them instead of one And I think we did see that in later iterations. I'm almost positive that he had them trail through. >> Yeah. To me, it looked as though there was a horseshoe kind of >> that was definitely a private road and then there were driveways going off of that that accessed the parking areas and the rear of the units. That's how I would have But it's a it's a concept plan at that level. It's not flushed out. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's basically just going to be up to our judgment to make sure that it's it's a road that is cons obviously the engineering review to make sure it's up to this road private road standards. And if it looks like it's just entering into a parking lot, that blurries it
069a bit because that that's just a well- constructed driveway at that point. >> Yeah. We don't want to set that precedent either. >> That's right. >> Be bad. >> And we want to be careful. >> It's very well taken. Yeah. >> Well, absolutely. And then we want to be careful uh to which standard >> Yeah. >> it's constructed um to make sure that we've got safe access >> uh including for emergency vehicles to all the units. So that's going to be really critical. >> It might and that's part of the regulations that created Albuquerque. It's not part of these regulations and worst case scenario those regulations make it a little less convenient to design this this the commercial That's okay. Um, that's old regulations that are there for a reason. >> Yeah, absolutely. I mean,
070protecting the integrity of Albuquerque has always been a priority in town. >> No driveway stops anything backing on Albuquerque pretty much. So, it's very much like random, no stopping. Just traffic goes through. >> So, it's definitely a good thing to have and keep it that way. So, >> that's right. You want to keep it that way. >> Okay. So Joan, I mean I don't know, do you have anything else to add regarding the comments that Kim provided regarding the design from July? So no, I just wanted to bring them up. >> Okay. >> What was that the bottom one about maintenance on the bottom of the first page? >> Gas station first page >> state I think um who will be responsible for maintenance and upkeep of these structures? Will the town be responsible for
071installation of crosswalks? What will be the process of approval? Town engineer board of selectman road agent. I think she put state question mark maintenance maybe. Not sure if that's a question mark or something else. Looks like >> Well, I think that that has been answered by the at the gas station, the applicant's going to put the crosswalk in, but the town's going to maintain it. >> Right. Okay. Okay. Anything else on um design guidelines? Anybody have anything in anything else to add? Jay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. Um I know we've reviewed this a couple times. Does it does everyone satisfied with what we've uh produced here as a document? >> I think we did get a fair amount of public comment. We did have >> you know folks coming including potential developers to
072our meetings. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, so this is the this was this the first public hearing or second? >> It's the first there doesn't need to there doesn't need to be a second one. It's really up to you. >> So tonight we can approve this if everyone is >> adopted. Adopted. >> Okay. All right. Um, well, I mean, this is a public hearing, obviously. I open up to public comment. Any members of the public comment on this uh um draft? Um, and I don't see anybody here this evening. So, I'm going to close public input and bring it to the board. What do you guys want to do? You want to approve it? Want to accept it? Um, >> make a motion. Mr. Chair, I um make a motion that we approve the >> adopt
073Yeah, >> adopt. >> Thank you. >> Sorry. >> That we adopt the site plan regulation section 120.15 supplemental design guidelines for the mixeduse village development alternative as well as the site plan regulations section 12 uh4. >> Well, actually, um, we haven't really addressed that one. I think we're just doing the supplemental design first, then we'll go into I'm sorry. >> Yeah. So, just the first one, >> development alternative. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. I have a motion by Letha. I have a second by Jared. Any further discussion on the design regulations, site plan regulations for section 120.15 supplemental design guidelines for the mixeduse village development alternative. All right. If there's no further discussion, we'll take a vote. All those in favor of adopting section 120.15, supplemental design guidelines for the mixeduse village development alternative,
074please signify by saying I. >> I. Those opposed abstained. Motion passes 6 0 0. Okay. Now we'll move on to number two which is the um regulations section 1214 off streetet parking and loading. And I'll turn it over to Jay. All right. Scroll down to that. I need to scroll up. Scroll up. Sorry for the quick sorry for the flashing. So um this is is really coming from uh these proposed amendments come from a few different places. So first of all it's a very very substantial amendment to the existing parking requirements. Uh so I'm not going to run through each one of them. I know we have uh also in some detail. But overall there were really a few things that were driving this. um one changes both to state law and um changes that
075I think uh you know became necessary or or the need for which became necessary just through the process of reviewing multif family developments. So I'll get to those last. Uh but the other drivers were really twofold. one was to try to create um standards that are a little bit more measurable and that apply um to different uses of the same building as it changes over time. So what that essentially means is to try to get away from regulations based on the number of employees or the number of employees on the largest shift in favor of a square footage based requirement that again is just much more easily measured. So there were several places in the ordinance where it was based on employees. So all of those were supposed to be changed to square footage with
076a couple of exceptions where it it didn't really make sense. Um so that was really a big driver. And the other driver was trying to make sure that the parking requirements um are designed to make sure that we have adequate parking but not an excessive amount of parking. so that we're not encouraging um you know unnecessary pavement, more imperous area, more storm water management um related issues. Uh and so to kind of to get there uh we reviewed the parking regulations of several surrounding what I'd call comparable communities to kind of get a gauge as to where people are. Um and what what I found there was really there was a lot of commonality. uh there were definitely outliers in every direction. Um but in similarly situated communities there were uh there was a lot
077of commonality and we were able to take those um and apply them here where necessary in some cases we didn't change the standard. In other cases we did and then there are a couple of areas where there were a couple of uses that just realistically we're never going to see in Lichfield and having a standard for a marina as an example just kind of doesn't make sense. Let's pair it down um a little bit. So most of the changes um were really along those lines. Again, they were significant because there were just so many of our standards were based um on something that was really hard to measure. And um so that happened in almost every section. Uh and then when it comes to multif family housing, there were really a couple of things that
078we saw. First of all, the only area where we regulated the size of a parking space was for multif family. I'm not sure why. And the size of those parking spaces was very large. It was 12 by 18, which is, you know, much wider than would be typical that we typically see. Uh, also, um, garages are not required, but if you had one, it had to be a twocar garage, and that just didn't make a whole lot of sense. Uh, and as we've seen, I think your typical townhouse development, if it has a garage, it's a onecar garage pretty typically. So, we've proposed changing that. Um, and then finally, um, this is where, uh, the change in changes in state law come to play. Uh, based on a recent change in state law, we cannot
079require more than one parking space per residential unit. I I think we all appreciate that that's not adequate and I can't imagine no no developer you know is going to propose well I should say I can't imagine a developer proposing um one parking space per unit but nevertheless that's the statute and so we can't require more uh also uh a a statutory change that happened last year um we are also you know an applicant is allowed to propose an alternative parking solution. So, we do have to have that language in the ordinance. And what that essentially means is they can have uh provide some or all of their required parking offsite uh through some sort of arrangement. Um that's really not realistically something that we could see we would likely see in Lichfield. Um that
080really applies more to urban areas where they have public parking. Um, but there are scenarios where it could be possible on a mixeduse site, uh, where perhaps you're sharing parking or proposing to share parking with a commercial use. So, I don't want to say it'll never happen. Uh, I don't think it's really very likely, but it's language we have to include in our parking regulations because it's an option that's allowed. So, those are re those are really the the changes. Again, there are a lot of them. Um, but that's kind of the essence of it. >> Okay. Any questions? Uh so another comment by the town administrator um regarding this uh new statute particular statute that took effect in January 25 and the question is does the wording number two agreement with a ride share
081company to provide transportation to the occupants of the proposed residential use. Three, availability of public transportation, including fixed route bus service within a quarter of a mile of the proposed residential use. Or number four, location of district officially designated in the master plan or zoning ordinance in which there was adequate walkability infrastructure really apply? >> No. >> Okay. Okay. >> It doesn't. Um, it's just we just took the language directly out of the statute and put it in here. Do I Does it apply? No, not to Lichfield. at least not in the near future. >> So, uh this is a non like this is just a comment on the document that we got in two meetings ago. Uh the non- redline version still has a few crossed out things that will have to be filtered
082out. >> Oh, >> in the final thing like obvious it's not a substantive change. That's >> okay. That's a good catch. >> Before we just send that out if unless there's a later one that >> I'll make sure I glean it >> on the one from this week. Is there one on today's portal? >> Hage two. I think I caught those and got them out of here. But yeah, >> take a look. >> They should be They shouldn't be in the one that's okay. Yeah, that looks good. >> Yeah, it took a little bit of a catch. The The reason for that is is because uh it wasn't done um through track changes. It was manually done. That's why some of them slipped still stuck in there because if you do it with track changes,
083it becomes this unreadable. It's too much every indent. >> Oh, there's one that one of them is remaining. Uh >> oh. >> Section 4 E. >> Oh, there's an ore. >> Yeah. Fabulous. >> That's a good catch. circle over here. >> Circle that now. >> Awesome. >> So, that's obviously a non substantive change. >> I think um forgive me. Uh so, under the parking recommend recommendation section 120.2, I guess um Kim was asking, are we complying with RSA 67416? Because it says number seven, it in in its exercise of the powers granted under this subdivision, the local legislative body of a city, town or county in which there are located unincorporated towns or unorganized places may regulate accessory parking for vehicles, but shall not require more than 1.5 residential parking spaces per unit for studio
084and one-bedroom units under a,000 square feet that meet the requirements for workforce housing under RSA 67458 uh 4. shall not require more than 1.5 residential parking spaces per unit for multif family developments of 10 units or more. >> That was the prior statute. >> Okay. >> What's now in effect is one. >> Okay. >> That's what it was last year. >> Got it. Okay. >> And who knows, it might be different next year. >> Okay. Have that in there. There were also interestingly a couple of different ones that passed but yeah they got reconciled. >> Anything else? >> So we feel her concerns have been addressed. >> I I think so. I mean that these were comments that were provided by the town administrator. I think the technical review committee technically the people that >>
085wanted to make sure that everything was >> and we did have the 1.5 language in our earlier draft and then we changed it to one. >> Okay. >> Um Jay, anything else that you want to mention about this? Okay. So, I guess at this time I open up to public comment. It's public hearing. Um, anybody have any public comment this evening? And I don't see anybody in the audience in the gallery here. So, um, I guess I will close public comment. Um, and I guess bring it back to the board. What does the board like to do? Do you want to >> adopt away >> exception of that >> or >> nons substantive change? Okay. >> Four. >> Okay. >> Struck. >> Oh, okay. Close. Okay. >> All right. So, if anybody wants to make
086a motion, we can certainly do that. >> Does the or need to be mentioned at all in the motions? >> I think we already had the reference to 4E, so we could say the ore, but yeah. Someone else like to make it a shelly. >> You got it. It's all >> yours. Make a motion to adopt the proposed site um site plan regulation section 120.14 off street parking and loading um with uh one with the proposed amendment to remove the struck out board. >> Okay. I have a motion by Jared. Do I have a second? >> Second by Jesse. Any further discussion? Okay. All those in favor of adopting the regulations for section 120.14 off streetet parking and loading, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> Those opposed. Those abstained. Motion passes 6 0.
087Okay. Thank you. >> Next. and start worrying about zoning. >> That's right. >> That's our end of August on that. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Has got to be >> come from the basement to the attic. >> All those red line versions he >> Yeah. >> Thank you. 47 pages. >> All right. So, next item on the agenda this evening is committee reports. Any reports from any committees? I guess I'll start with you, Jeremy. How about how's the economic development? >> So, I had a medical issue last uh meeting and Jay was there. So, Jay, why don't you take it away on the economic development? >> Uh, yeah, I I I I thought it was a good meeting. Um, there was really a lot of discussion was spent on kind of framing um, you know,
088the final report and and what that's going to look like. But um there I think I thought there were some really good substantive conversations. So there is a next meeting coming up next week. I think it's next week. So I will not be able to be at that meeting. But I I I think I I think they are the group is really starting to make some significant progress and kind of working through the charge that is in in front of the committee and kind of trying to make sure that all the boxes are crossed off. Okay. And um the NRPC meeting is September 15th. Is that >> full commission? Yes. >> Full commission meeting. >> Yes. >> Nashville. >> Okay. >> At the executive committee tomorrow night. >> And the executive committee tomorrow night. Okay.
089Any other updates from NRPC? Anything? >> I mean, I I would just note that I don't know how many people follow the 10-year plan process. Um but that is ongoing. Um a and the way the process works is the regional planning commission solicits projects from all of our communities and it goes through a process of vetting and we go through looking at the you know we actually hire an engineer to review costs and ultimately rank and prioritize the projects, make a recommendation for new projects to be added in the last two years of the 10-year plan. And um what has happened is that the dollars available um statewide uh do not support any new projects. So none of the projects that were proposed and voted on by the regional planning commission have made it into
090the 10-year plan. And in addition to that, projects that are already in the 10-year plan have been moved out are recommended to be moved out of the 10-year plan. And the primary reason for this is just the escalation in the cost of projects, which is 30% to 40%. So so many projects that are now kind of moving up in the queue were proposed years ago and we've had very very significant inflation particularly in construction materials and labor. Um so that's the reality that we're looking at now. That's what's going to get presented to our transportation technical advisory committee tomorrow. Um, one of the fatalities is the Corning Road intersection improvement on 3A that is getting moved out of the 10-year plan altogether. >> Okay. >> Um, you know, which is certainly most unfortunate. Um, we
091hope it will come back in at some point. Now, I have to say this is simply the recommendation of the Department of Transportation to Governor and Council. uh governor and council can recommend projects get added and projects get taken back and priorities shift. Um but uh and the legislature can do the same thing, the governor can do the same thing. But my experience has been that the draft that the DOT submits is very very close to what ultimately gets adopted. Um, and it's usually one or two hot button items that kind of dominate the conversation and those might shift and um that's probably not the intersection of Corning Road and 3A. >> Probably not. So, we'll see where it goes, but um I think it's a it's a pretty sobering reality for where we are
092um fiscally. Yeah, >> who knows? Maybe there'll be some movement on the revenue side, but I don't really expect to see that either. Uh that is one of the pushes that will be out there as you know increasing toll revenues increasing tolls. Uh but I don't know that that's really going to succeed this time around uh or what it would realize. um because >> been a dollar for as long as I can remember, >> right? But tolls can only be spent on the turnpike system. So the only projects that would benefit from an increase in tolls would either be turnpike projects that are currently there that might get advanced uh or more likely uh a proposal to expand the turnpike system to include say the bow conquer improvements to actually increase the size of it
093so that a project that's outside of the turnpike system might fall within it. Um, but those are the only benefits because you can't use that total revenue anywhere else. So, I don't see a gas tax um happening. So, yeah. Um, so yeah, it it'll be very interesting, but it was not something any of us anticipated when this whole process started. Um, needless to say, um, but there we are. And I think it's a reality that any anybody who's been work, you know, dealing with construction on the town side too, town related projects and roads improvements, the costs have just gone up so much in the past few years that it's hard not to say, "Yeah, that's where we are." So, very good. Um, the capital improvement committee met yesterday at the fire station. Um we
094had presentations from the library and the conservation commission. Um and um next meeting is going to be September 9. Uh September 5if um I'm sorry when is the next one? Is it the 15th? Why am I saying >> maybe it is the night of the NRPC meeting? It could be. But um yeah, I think it is the 15th. >> That's it. I just I just realized that. That's why I was >> Is that a Wednesday? >> Yeah, I think so. >> That's a Monday >> or Monday? The 15th is booked. >> And so it's 17th. Okay. I was like, that's why that was throwing me off. Okay, now I understand. Yeah. So, um, our next meeting is the 15th at the fire station. Um, we'll have the recreation commission coming in and I believe the
095school is going to present their capital projects. So, we had an interesting discussion last night. I know you weren't there, Jay, about impact fees. So, expect uh some more discussion about that when you come to our meeting. Um we we kind of missed you on that because uh you might have helped with some questions that were being asked. So, that uh >> you know, I I was sitting on a plane coming back from the West Coast, but I definitely thought about you guys. >> I I know you did. >> I know you did. Uh, I appreciate that. Um, the conservation commission met um was it last Thursday? >> Oh, no, no, actually we met on Friday uh special meeting and we approved the uh so the uh closing on the deer property >> closed this
096it closed uh Monday >> 18th. So that's uh that was a long time coming long process on that. Um, and the lower Marramac Local River Advisory Committee meetings next meeting is August 28th at Nasha City Hall at 7 p.m. or no six o'clock, I'm sorry. Um, so I will be attending that. And that's all I have for committee reports. Um, approval of the July 15, 2025 minutes. Did everyone have an opportunity to take a look at those? Have any questions? Amendments, concerns. Thought they look pretty good. Someone caught something that I didn't. Possible. Um, and if anybody wants to entertain a motion to approve them, go at it. I'll make a motion to approve the uh Blitzfield Planning Board July 15th amendments. >> Okay. Uh do I have a second? I have a motion by
097Jeremy. Do I have a second to my motion? >> Second that. >> Second by Jared. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor of approving the July 15, 2025 minutes for Lichfield Planning Board, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> Those opposed, abstained. staying. >> Stained. Okay. So, motion passes 501. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, any other business this evening? Jay, do you have anything? >> I do not. >> Uh, Joan, >> the next meeting is September 2nd. >> Next meeting is September. Okay. Uh, anybody have anything else they want to bring up this evening? Okay. Well, with that, I think that concludes our public business for this evening. I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Have a motion by Jeremy. Do I have a second? >> Second by Travis.
098Any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying I. >> I. >> Those opposed, abstain. Motion passes 6 0. Thank you for joining us this evening. We'll see you.