001Okay. Hello and welcome to the June 17, 2025 meeting of the Lichfield Planning Board. I will be uh uh serving in place of Michael Cronto. Uh since I vice chair, uh let's uh stand up and the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Um, so roll call of members present. Jared Okonnell, vice chair. Travis Tucker, member. Steve Ganon, selectman's rep. Jesse, no, alternate. Leth Riley, member. Russell Blanchett member. Okay. Uh we are missing Michael Croto and um Jeremy. Uh so um appointment of alternates. Uh Jesse, would you like to serve in uh place of um Jeremy tonight? Yes. Okay, you can uh vote. Uh so first we
002have public input on non-aggenda items. Does anyone have any uh thing that's not on the agenda that they'd like to uh speak about? Okay, seeing none, we can move to the first item on our agenda, which is a conditional use permit for a detached accessory dwelling unit at 40 Natakook A tax map 18, lot 7, owner Brian and Ashley Iwanski. Iansky. Uh, is the applicant present? Hello. Would you like to introduce yourself to the board? Nick Couture. I'm contractor. Okay. Uh so will you be uh uh speaking for uh for the applicant? Yes. Yep. Okay. Okay. So um so what so the process for the uh conditional use permit um is to follow the um requirements uh set in our regulation. Um I'll bring that up. Uh in the meantime, would you like to uh
003speak about the uh application? Sure. Um so this one's going to be a detached ADU. It's going to be built uh in above a garage that's going to be on the right hand side of the house that sets just behind the the house. Um it's far as square footage. Um meets the square footage requirements. Looks like a garage. You know, if you're driving down the street, you never know what's an ADO. just looks like, you know, just a fancier garage. Um, so think it meets all the requirements. Um, met with the building inspector to make sure he also thought it met the requirements as well. So, I think this one's pretty straightforward. Okay. So, um, so does this need to be accepted or typically we do. Okay. Um so um are all the requirements uh
004met? Yes, fees have been paid. There's no no better notification for these plan does appear to meet all our requirements. Okay. Um so I guess we can uh vote to accept the application. So u would someone like to make a motion to accept the make a motion Mr. Chair uh Mr. acting chair. Uh that we um I move the the uh application as complete for an detached ADU at 40 Nakook Avenue, tax map 18, lot 7, owners Brian and Ashley Nikki. Okay. Uh, so we have a motion to accept the application. Does someone like Would someone like to second that? I'll second that. Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. So, all those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying I. I. I. All those opposed and abstained. So, that would
005be motion passes. One, two, three, four, five, six, uh, 0. Okay. So, uh the next step is we uh should uh go through the uh requirements for detached ADU. So, that's in the zoning ordinance. Okay. So, the conditional use permit uh section 507.0 06 um pursuant to the authority uh conditional use per permit for detached accessory dwelling units. So uh the following criteria must be satisfied for the planning board to grant a conditional use permit for a detached ATU. A the detached ADU shall be located only on the side or rear of the property. Um yes is um B a detached ADU shall not contain more than two bedrooms. So um that's is that the case? Yes. Yep. It does not. I believe it's just one bedroom. One. Yep. Yeah. You're looking at it. Um
006uh parking and driveway access shall be provided in a manner that maintains the signal single family appearance of the property. You already addressed that. Uh, no additional cur curb cuts should be shall be provided sharing the same driveway. Right. Correct. Yep. Um, the attached ADU shall be developed within an existing garage, barn or other similar uh outbuilding or shall be designed in a to be consistent with the character and appearance of accessory buildings for single family dwellings such as a garage, barn or other bu out buildingings. So, it's a is this a new garage? It's a new garage. Yep. Yeah. Okay. So, um that looks like that fits that requirement. Um f the detached ADU shall be located on the same lot as the primary dwelling and said lot shall not be subdivided in a
007manner that results in separation of detached ADU from the primary dwelling unit. Um so yeah, it's on the same lot. G. The detached ADU uh primary dwelling or lot shall not be converted to a condominium or or other form of owner legal ownership distinct from the ownership of the primary dwelling. To ensure compliance with this requirement, the property owners at the time the ADU is established shall be required to execute a restrictive covenant running in favor of the town which shall be recorded in the Hillsboro County Registry of Deeds and a copy provided to the building inspector prior to the issuance of the certificate of occupancy. Um, so I'm sure the uh inspector can help with that. Um, yeah, I'll work with the building inspector on that part. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Does the board have
008any uh questions before we move on to public input? Could we have him tell us what exactly I see on here that you have um I was confused a little bit about about the fact that it's on an existing foundation. It shouldn't be. It will be completely new. Nothing sits there. existing is the current home. Okay. Oh, on that. So, when I Yeah, when I just pulled up his um Yeah, I apologize. I thought I handed in the updated one. It should have shown in red, but you can see like um up and to the right a little bit. Yeah. Just um to the just below the leech field is where it's going to sit. So, the propane tank that's right on the Yeah. On the lot line on the lot line is going to
009be moved set back line. On the setback line. Yep. Yeah. Is this using existing leechfield or will there be a new leech field? Right now it's going to be uh using the existing but we already have a updated plan um uh on file at state. So that was just recently done. So in the future if the system fails we've already have one that's larger um that will fit on the property with that being already built. Okay. My apologies. My computer is bringing AI into your documents and it's reading stuff that clearly isn't here. So, I apologize. Oh, no worries. Um, yeah, have to fix that. Okay. Any other comments from uh the board? I would just say that the design looks really nice. Yeah, thank you. It's very attractive and seems to match the the
010the accompanying home. Um, yeah, looks nice. Yeah, the existing house will get a facelift at the same time. So, some new windows, new siding, everything will blend together nice. So, again, when you're driving by after it's all complete, you would never know. Yeah. So, great. Yeah. Yeah. Looks good. Okay. So, any other comments, questions or comments? Okay. So, at this time, I will open this uh agenda item up to public comment. Um, I think everyone I see here is here for other agenda items. So, I will close um public comment at uh on this item at 712 p.m. Okay. Uh any I only have one other question if I may. Um did what do the the neighbors think? Have your applicants or your owners uh have they talked to any of the neighbors or I'm
011not personally sure if they talked to the neighbors or not. I know we're really I know one of the neighbors is happy because we just completed another job in the neighborhood and we referred by them. So Okay. Assume they would be happy as well, but as to everybody else, I'm not sure. Just curious. Thanks. Yeah. And thanks for providing the uh renders. Um, I think it definitely pro really shows how it fits the uh character of the area. Um, yeah, cuz yeah, we don't always know what these are going to look like um when they're actually constructed. Yeah, we like when it blends in and doesn't stick out like sore thumb. So, okay, I think is that all? If so, would uh um yeah, we already uh no um questions regarding the uh requirements set
012forth in the zoning ordinances. So, I guess the next step is uh if someone would like to make a motion to grant a conditional use permit for the detached ADU. Mr. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion for uh to uh permit a conditional use for a detached accessory dwelling unit at 40 Natook Avenue tax map 18 lot 7. I'll second that. Okay. Um so we have a motion and a second. Um any further discussion? Okay. So, all those in favor of the motion to grant the conditional use permit, uh, please signify by saying I. I. I. All those opposed. All those abstained. Okay. Motion passes 600. Uh, congratulations. Excellent. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So next on our agenda is a conceptual discussion for tax map 22 lots 4 96 and
01399 in the northern commercial mixeduse village development application applicant Reginald Moro applicant president the board I'm Reggie Moro and I'm here to present that um conceptual I know that um the Northern Village District is currently undergoing some revisions as it relates to the regulations that are going to be implied. So, this is about two weeks old. So, there might have been some additional things that might have been added that may, you know, create some revisions or something along those lines, but we tried to interpret as best we could. Um, you know, what the board was trying to do and then, of course, being here at some of the prior discussions early on about that northern village district, um, you know, put a lot of that into it as well. I I think you might already
014have a digital copy, but I have uh some additional copies here if it's easier. [Music] It's all got Look at that. Do you need one for yourself? Oh, we got one. Got one. Thank you. You got lucky. All right. So, this one's a little bit different than the one you you've already been I know Rick Shabano's been in front of you a couple times. I've had the opportunity to review uh those meetings. Um and so it it's it's different and I know those discussions have been brought up in the form that Rick has got frontage on 3A that lends itself better to commercial use than than what we had. So that was that was the biggest challenge with this particular parcel. Uh and then trying to determine the uses that would be um more adequate
015for that location. Um so there are two locations. If you look at it when you first come in on St. Francis Way, the commercial uh aspect of it exists on that portion which is the entrance into that area. And there's one on the right and there's one on the left. So our we are envisioning and I know that in Rick's um in Rick's meeting he was looking at the potential for a daycare. Um we are also seeking that same type of user in this location. Um I've spoken to a couple. Um I happen to know a few people that run some daycarees to see if they'd have any interest and at this point they need more information. Um like anything in town, the biggest the biggest drawback from commercial use in the town is the
016number of rooftops that we have. Okay. Um my background started out in commercial real estate. I got my CCIM designation. I spent a lot of time with a a a large uh pension fund u acquiring properties and and renovating and uh doing those kinds of things uh up and down the east coast. Uh I spent a lot of time in Vegas um at the ICC for commercial shopping centers. worked with tenants such as, you know, TJ Maxx, CVS, um, Hannerford's, um, but, you know, pretty much I did the Target in Lowe's and Bedford. That's one of mine, the CVS in and, um, and in Bedford, the um, uh, up in conquered, if you're familiar with the old Bear Wright building, I repositioned that along, you know, my old my old company did. And then we
017we also put the Burger King from inside to outside. So, done a lot of commercial development early on uh, in my career. And then I found that residential was more of the spot I enjoyed the most. So I kind of made the change. But not much has changed. The users are still looking for, you know, the sweet corner. You know, there's certain things that they that they want. Parking parking has changed in some instances um over the years, but a lot of things have kind of kind of remained the same. So the biggest thing is um is the rooftops. They really want to see the rooftops. And then second of all, if they can't get the rooftops, they want to see the the the amount of traffic and the positioning as to how they're related
018to that traffic flow. Um, so in this particular location, unfortunately, we we we can't worry about, you know, the traffic. We're not going to get the visibility. We don't own any property out onto 3A, so there's no signage possibilities, at least at this point in time. So people are going to have to know about it through other methods. And you know the other methods are there's going to be traffic that's going to travel down to the school. There's going to be traffic that travels down to the church. And that's going to be our primary flow of visibility. Um in time it'll get it'll get out there. More and more people in the community will know about it, but people outside of the community probably won't. Okay? Because we just don't have that ability. So, a
019daycare works well because, you know, you you're currently going down there to drop off children at school and it's kind of on the way and there's there's some great opportunities to capture and utilize that um that location. Uh so, that's our primary focus on that particular location. Uh it also would work well for other things that would be smaller uses um you know, different types of things. Spas are tough because they require a little bit more as it relates to a septic system. So you have to be somewhat careful as to how you introduce something like that. You have to have a little more space, a little more uh area for that system to be able to be capable of handling what the use is there. Um so that's something that we're kind of, you
020know, not really looking at, but again, either across the way where Rick is at or where we're at, it's a potential possibility, but not not one that I'm I'm really looking at seriously at this point. And then the other side of the street, uh, I'm looking at office potential. I'm actually looking for a location to move my office out of Manchester, too. Uh, I have a real estate, uh, office and and a construction, you know, not not a construction yard or anything like that, but a construction office. Um, if you're familiar with Bedford, I had one there for many, many years. I had a 5,000 foot office. It housed my uh my site work business in the upper level and it h housed my housing business on the lower level which had a big showroom
021that I could bring people in to look at all the products, sit down and go through from soup to nuts on picking everything that they want for their home. It was a one-stop shop and and you know um I sold that building a few years back. Somebody wanted it more than I did and so I had to uh give up with that and I'm looking for a new location. Um, so this this would probably work well for us for that purpose because we do do a lot in town and I still live here and it's I'm looking for short trips to the office these days. Um, so, you know, it' be a nice spot for us. I I you know, I'd love to keep it keep the business here in Lichfield. So, that's that's the
022other location that we're looking at and and there's a good possibility to be another user there uh with the with the square footage that we have there. and um not too sure who that would be, but there are a lot of ancillary uh businesses that would would work well with us uh that I've worked with in the past. So, those are the two commercial uses that we're that we're looking at and the location um that we're looking at is is right there off of St. St. Francis. The neighborhood itself and looking at the neighborhood, we took a strong look at it. Um things are working very well uh over at the farm right now. um the lease up of what we have on Dutch for the remaining 16 units. Um we've only been releasing them
023building at a time and they've been filling. Um so um we're looking at the potential of doing more of those units. Uh they're nice units. Um people really like them. Um so we're looking at um two different types of unit. That would be one. That would be the ones on the upper portion of the of the site that you see. uh why are we using the upper portion of the site that's got the best soils and that's where we're going to need the best leech fields. Okay, so we're utilizing that upper part of the slope to accommodate the soils. The uh the next uh area down below that and if you look, you can see the dash lines, the green dash lines, which actually will, you know, tell you that's the cluster that we're looking
024at for the um three-bedroom type housing that we have over at the farm. And there's 40 units in there. Okay. The other that we're looking at is we've been asked to look at something that would that would um accommodate um you know uh age restricted units. And so we took a look at the age restricted units. Of course those are smaller units. They don't have three bedrooms. The demand for septic is far less than what it is for the other ones. So we looked and we said okay how does that work? And it's it's a great location for that. So, if you look, you can see the encircled area there, which has 44 um of the age restricted units that we're proposing in that location. There is going to be interconnectivity. Uh you can see
025in orange the sidewalks that kind of carry throughout the neighborhood. Um there are two entrances today to the property. The one uh at St. Francis Way that works well because if you look now there is already um a stacking lane that exists there for both directions turning into St. Francis way. So you have that ability to you know capture the use of that without having to really improve based upon the traffic count that we looked at. We don't have to improve anything on 3A in that location. The other location is a little more challenging. And the reason why it's challenging is because you have a curve and a hill. Okay. So to try to put traffic out in that location in two directions, um I don't think would work ideally. I don't think we have
026the sight distance to meet this, you know, the requirements for the speed that's there. Um so we're looking at probably just a oneway out and that would be a oneway going right. Okay. The other alternative would be to just keep that as an emergency entrance. Okay. Uh for fire and you know fire purposes or whatever. So those are things that were just they're available one way or the other. It would work like I said as a right turn lane out. Uh you could actually do a turn lane in right turn in as well uh in that location, but I wouldn't certainly wouldn't want to see traffic coming out in two directions in that location and not without improvements to the site distances on 3A. And I don't think you just I don't think you can
027get it there with the the housing that exists there today. So I I wouldn't uh I wouldn't be proposing anything in that location other than like I said a right turn out and a right turn in or having that as an emergency. Um the if you I I brought this in front of the conservation commission again informally um not uh with any you know intent other than what do you think and give me some guidance if you have some concerns those kinds of things and um I think they're still absorbing it but we really didn't have any uh there weren't any major concerns that came out at that point. Uh the only thing that was brought up is that there was a a um a location that is up where uh in the in the
028there's a small area in the first grouping that has poorly drained soils, not very poorly drained soils, and we've taken that into consideration when we designed this. Okay. Uh and again, it's a small area that that's there. So we we did take that into consideration. So, that was brought up and we did discuss that and I that was my response to to their question on that. Uh, the area that you see, the green space, the large green space that you see out back, there's an area there that again is is somewhat it's wet uh for the most part. There are some areas that kind of finger in that are dry, but it's it's just a nice large uh area to just keep and not get into and just leave as green space. It ties in
029well also with the green space that the conservation commission is already managing with Morris Falls and behind the church. Uh that that path could continue. There's already it's the old um trolley way that they're that they have right now. Uh and and that we're looking at again utilizing with the Morris Falls uh and kind of bringing those trails back in through here so that if people want to come in and access it through St. Francis Way. That would be something they'd be able to do. Um the loop that you see on St. Francis Way, there's a rightway that exists there, but not an improvement like you see there. It's just a hammerhead. So, we'd be looking to improve that into the circle that you see there to allow traffic to go in and out. And
030again, if we needed to, if if people wanted to utilize that location to be a step off point to go and do some hiking, you know, there might be some room there that we can get some parking in as well. We haven't really looked into that yet, but it would be a likely spot for that. Um, so those are the, you know, the the the big things, uh, as it relates to, um, the overall plan. The road that does go down to that finger that you see down below with the units down along the river, that finger would have a wetlands crossing. There would be a wetlands crossing needed there. Okay. Um, so that that would impact the wetlands. Everything else up above that would not have any impact on any wetlands. So, I know
031with that said, I've said a lot. I know that we've got a lot going on here uh with regards to the the regs, but we're trying to meet the intent um you know, of the regulations and um I would we're here to kind of get the board's uh input uh and concerns and questions or praises, whatever we can get um would be helpful. Okay. Thanks for the presentation. Uh, does anyone on the board have any uh questions or comments? I have one comment and I know we're we're really pushing for sidewalks and this is kind of tough because really the only section that can have a sidewalk that will bring you to Charles Britfra won't bring you to another sidewalk. So, it' be a dead end. But uh I know we're trying to encourage you
032know pedestrian walking and movement about but I don't know if that's something that we could really I mean you could put a sidewalk but the concern would be what would you do with that sidewalk once you get to the end. Last thing we want to do is see people crossing you know Albuquerque again on a dangerous curve. I mean uh Charles Braftoft. Yeah. You can see that our attempt on on that particular uh issue was to do a roadside sidewalk versus something that uh like the one on Albuquerque. So all the orange that you see is all the interconnectivity for pedestrian traffic internally. Uh so it's more of a traditional sidewalk. It sits along the edge of the rightway and then kind of travels all the way out as far as we can carry it
033on our property. Um I would hope and in at some point um that that would and depending on how Rick does his stuff across the way that there might be an opportunity to you know find a way to make that interconnect. The big thing in is and and what I'm of the understanding of is apparently you do have a pedestrian crossing because you know of course 3A is is a pretty dangerous road especially there when you when you start widening it out for turn lanes and stuff like that. That's a long distance to get across away, you know, and so it takes time to do that and it that means that there's time for things to happen, unfortunately. Um, but I was very pleased and surprised that you were able to obtain the pedestrian the
034lit the lit pedestrian crossing on 3A, which is good for many reasons. It will be calming for this area because once people become familiar that that crossing's there, they will slow down knowing that that that could be something that could stop them from, you know, from continuing through. So, that's a very nice thing. I live in a in a in a town in in I have a home in a town in Florida where they have a lot of those lit pedestrian crossings and they're an absolute godsend because it keeps the traffic really slow in that area. So, it um and it's very helpful and it and the people use them all the time. It it really is very very nice to see. Um the the hard part is is up here in the Northeast because
035of the snow and the ice and everything else, they unfortunately break down uh and require a little more maintenance and a little more attention, but um you've been able to get it and that is just huge. So, yeah. Um yeah, and I I think um Rick Charminauo might be planning on extending the sidewalk near 3A on the east side. Yeah, it'll be on the east side, but it's going to go all the way to Albuquerque. Yeah, the crossing will just be a little bit further, you know, to the north. Yeah. I wonder with the um the mixeduse development if there will be any sidewalks on the um within the new development. Um, yes. Yes, there was. Yeah. Would there be one extension along Albuquerque though? I know he's going to cross over here. Well, there's
036already the sidewalk on Albuquerque. The uh the multi-use path goes all the way up to 3A. Yeah, but I think we're like the ability to connect this spur down to Albuquerque. Would they be sidewalks over there? I don't believe so. Right above where it says Albuquerque out. Yeah, because um there was a the traffic study that I think was discussed in Boris Lea meeting that the majority of the traffic like more traffic is turning left on Albuquerque than it is on the more south right than it is on 3A south of that intersection. So cross like if a pedestrian like let's say wanted to get to the proposed uh uh development that Rick is proposing then that that way that access that you talked about earlier would be a good way for a pedestrian to
037get to his commercial uses or to uh Albuquerquey's vehicle. But the concern is they're crossing Charles Bankraftoft on a corner on a blind corner at a high rate and the crosswalk that uh would be going in is up by the gas station which is quite a bit further. Yep. No pedestrian's going to walk that far just to get to Albuquerque. That would be walking like three times further. Yeah. Since the pedestrian crossings in it I would again I'm not familiar. I didn't look at the what was permitted. Was there a reduction in speed for a section of 3A? No. No. So, they still kept it at 45 even with the crossing. 40. 40. Okay. It's still worth looking at what what the options might be because it is true that you've got a much lower
038traffic volume south of the Albuquerque intersection. So, maybe something's possible. Yeah. If there could be a speed a request for a speed reduction in that area. Just it's almost like a school zone for lack of a better term, right? And once you get past that section, then you're back to square one. Is there a way where we could tie that in with the rest, you know, take advantage of it. Yeah. Yeah. because I think that's you know really I think eventually the places that people are going to try to get to a Rick's and then even potentially down to try to get down towards Mels because you know Mels is one of those places where all the kids want to go and um you know eventually you might try to you know see something find
039its way down that way but if people are going to get there they're going to get there from Albuquerque you know if they're going to do it from a pedestrian standpoint so trying to if we can get some sort of reduction in that area would be, you know, would be ideal. Yeah, because I'm assuming to put in a crosswalk, we would probably need a reduction in order for the visibility lines. Um, and then this is a stateun road. Yes. Which would make that a long process. It it is it's a very difficult process, but I think it might be one worth pursuing. Um, yeah, and especially and especially if we could extend that 30 like the 35 or 30 zone to Mels because especially with Spooky World, there's a lot of pedestrian traffic on that
040route during and it's not just a small season, you know, with them too. They've expanded it through Christmas now with the Christmas lights and I can see that only, you know, growing. So, it's I think it's important that if there's some way that we can calm that traffic um in that area for that distance, I think it would be ideal for the town um and much safer. These could have lower level garages like you do at Corning Farm. Very Yeah. Identical. Yeah. Yeah. the uh the um 55 and older or the age restricted units would be uh a little bit different because they're onebedroom with a potential loft in some of them because you know people aren't going to have their families with them. But yeah, it' be a mixture of both. So those would
041look like some of the 55 pluses that are out there now where I would possible garage with a first floor living area. I like the challenge of trying to make something fit in like we did with you know the farm. Um, you know, and I I thought that worked very well and I would come up with, you know, something in concept that would work well with that. Yep. You know, not necessarily the same because you don't want all the same, but something that would complement. Yeah. Yeah. On your render, is it just copy and paste the three-bedroom units that you have? Just Yes, those are Yeah, those are identical. These are the identical footprints that you see here as the ones you have over at Coin Farm. Yeah. Would you expect the footprints to be
042similar on the age restricted units? They're a little bit bigger because they're more on one level. Yeah. But they can go bigger because our septic requirements are smaller. So it's kind of it's kind of a swap, you know. Yeah. But I can't tell you how many people come in and wish that they had one floor living. You don't have any with a bedroom on the first floor. Not this time. Are the age restricted? Are they four to a building as well? Yeah, those are four units. Yeah. Thanks, John. Y have you uh looked into getting uh like signage the same way that St. Francis did on the intersection of St. Francis Way and Charles Maycraft Highway? Not at this point. Um you know, we haven't really looked at any we haven't even had any discussions
043with any of the butters yet. We kind of figured we'd start with this. I I like to have something to present, but I don't want it to be just pie in the sky. I like to come in with something that I can say this is what we're, you know, potentially looking at doing and I usually sit down with all the abutters if I can. I bring them into a meeting just to let them know what's going on. Um, and then get their feedback as well. It's important. So, but we haven't done that yet. I just want to have something a little more concrete that I can present to them. And have you looked into what you would expect from the fiscal impact study um with the three bedrooms and the age restricted with the two
044commercial uses? I have not. We haven't done any impact study as well yet. Okay. Cuz yeah, that's one of the requirements um to make this happen. We've done them in the past um and we can you know get certainly get those but we have to know what we're you know what we're doing so we can show you what the impact would be. I'm curious in the back uh where the age restricted is the the buffering between is it is it pretty flat between um that roadway and those back buildings and that industrial building because it's pretty close. So what you have is you have three terraces on this on this site. You have the upper terrace that's right behind the existing homes. Okay. Then it drops down about another 8 ft. Yeah. And then you
045have the field terrace which kind of gently slopes. Then it drops again. And then you have the back field which is flat. Okay. And so that elevation and I I'm trying to picture it when I was back there. If it's the same elevation or slightly higher, I think they might have actually removed some material when they did that and kind of balance the site. So I think we might be up just a little bit higher. And the separation between the the properties, there's actually a there's actually a stream that kind of comes down behind the tube. I don't even know what is in that facility, but there's a there's a between the um uh the other property that fronts on uh Route 3A and our property, there's actually a depression in there, and that's where
046you actually have uh flowage that comes down from, I believe, 3A, and it might even come over from across the street. So in this particular area here um where the yellow dash line is here is actually you know you can see it's hashed as wet. So there's actually a defined channel that comes down along here and travels in then kind of comes across and comes along here and goes out. And then there's also another channel uh that we talked to the conservation commission about. There's another channel that comes out of here and it kind of takes all these all of this kind of feeds into here and then it kind of this area here that you see is there's a a huge valley that goes down in where all of that dumps out and up
047here where the old trolleyway is, there was a culvert pipe that is now sitting down in that valley and it's in dire need of some work in order to get that, you know, so that it's going to be passable and usable. And so our plans are that we will be back here doing some work to improve that because right now that it needs to be stabilized. Um it's just from natural runoff, you know, as things do, but we we're going to want to get in there to try to stabilize that. And there's also a junkyard somebody's been utilizing and dumping in here for over the years. And uh so we got to clean that up as well. And then the the green spot along the river, that's that's conservation land, right? So our plans are
048not to do anything with this. And then right below where you put all that's conservation and Joan can answer that question better than I can but I believe so that's part of Mars Falls. Mars Falls. Okay. But I'm I'm concerned about like the folks who live I mean you know there are older folks in the back and we don't want them staring at a industrial building. Are there trees there? I mean it's pretty barren. Uh they cleared they pretty much cleared right to the to the back of the property line. Okay. And ours being field because they've been farming it. There's really not much there. We can address that with green. Yeah, I was going to say I would look forward on your plans to see what you plan to do there because obviously you'd
049want to make it marketable. Yes, absolutely. To those folks and you know I don't want to older folks in the back and you know over there and totally agree. Totally agree. Yeah. No, we'll definitely be looking at greenscape in that area. Okay. Have you uh considered any additional commercial uses beyond your um facility and a daycare? Um I have not yet. Um you know, one of the things I will do is once I know that this is something that's uh more realistic, I will go out and start seeking tenants. I mean, it's something I used to do very well at years ago. So, it's I would go out and do the same. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Does the uh board have any other uh questions or comments? Thank you for providing us with the very helpful
050illustration. Yeah. Yeah. And um I guess you can probably stay for if you'd like for the next agenda item which addresses the regulations that are being proposed for these types of developments and definitely will be staying guidance. It is a regulation and you know kudos kudos to the board and the town for um for voting something like this in it is a challenge unfortunately because we don't have the population base u but we you know has to be created at some time and it's being created now which is which is nice over time this will benefit any other commercial growth that the town wants to see. Um these rooftops are important and having that density. I I don't know if you're familiar with Fisherville Road in conquered but uh Fisherville Road's the northern part of
051conquered. It goes out past the prison travels up it's 3A again travels up all the way through and there's a lot of you know there's a reasonable amount of density up there and uh early on I did a lot of developing up there off of and and back and um the town kept telling me you need to come in with commercial. we had to come in with commercial. And we fought and fought to try to get a grocery store up in that part of the town because there was none. And um it took us many many years and we finally had um uh it was going to be Associated Grocerers was going to open up a store up there. Um and unfortunately they decided to expand their warehouse facility at the same time we were
052at the point where we thought we were going to get them to land on on a location up there because there's a lot of apartments, there's a lot of condominiums. Um but everybody, all the large users turned us down. The Demoolus', you know, the um Hannerfords, they just their comments were every time we brought it to them, there's not enough rooftops, not enough rooftops, not enough rooftops. And in the end, what ended up happening is um uh Demulus did did go up into the area, but they actually went off of exit 17. and that is actually doing very very well. But they felt that be being closer to the interchange on 93 was more beneficial to them than being there because they could put more users and get the um the draw, a heavier draw,
053although they're a very heavy draw for that area. They could get a heavier draw and now you're seeing other uh users in there that are really doing well and it and it's at that particular location if you go up. Um, never would have thought that it would have had that much potential, but it's doing extremely well. Is that one that you get off and there's a there's a rotary there? Yes. Yeah, they've done a wonderful job in that into town. And now there's an infill area that's industrial between where the old conquered monitor was and now that facility and uh there's been some developers that have proposed trying to go in with residential, but at this point it's been shut down. They want to see more industrial growth up in that area. But um it's
054it's doing very very well. Well, thank you very much for your time and suggest listen. Just one question. You know, given the valley that you mentioned in the stream, is it going to be possible for pedestrians to get from the development to that old trolley line and into Morris Falls? Yeah. The attention is the sidewalks that we have there all the way down, Jay, that you can see in the orange. They they might want to continue around the circle there and and that could naturally easily connect up in. There's also, if you look where it says uh pedestrian network, there's a the the uh let me point it out here right here where it says pedestrian network. There's great interconnectivity through here as well. So, there's some strong possibility of doing more than what you
055see here. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Nice. And um what would pe people who aren't a part of the development be permitted to use those sidewalks cuz that would be private property. Yes, we would we would allow for something like that in there for sure. Yeah. Nice. And are you think like obviously not not committing to anything, but are you thinking most likely rentals for the most part or? So we're looking at the possibility we we've got such a large demand on both because when we put the first phase out, we sold that out in a weekend. Uh we did have we did have a couple of them drop out because of the AG approval. Took so darn long. People were tired of waiting. It took us almost five months. Well, it took us over
056five months, almost six months. So, we did lose a couple, but we've now since picked them up. So, we only have really one available unit right now uh in the first phase and we've got in the second phase, which so the first phase is the first eight units on Mustang 3 and five. The second phase, we've got half of them sold. I only released four of them. So, I've got four out of the eight sold. and we'll probably get the next four as soon as we release them. Um, so we're we're seeing very good um demand. People want to live in Lichfield. They really do. It's so close to everything but yet far enough away to feel, you know, safe and comfortable. So, so your AG approval in the second part should be faster because
057they that is that would be the That is our understanding. The first one was rather rough. I was making a lot of phone calls and they told my attorney to have me stop calling them, but I wasn't I wasn't going to, you know, and I think even the even the governor got tired of getting my emails and phone calls. So, but it honestly it's it's it's it's sad. Um, believe it or not, there's only one person up at the AG's office that handles these things, and there's a lot of them in the state. And so, that's a lot for one person and um an an assistant. So, I totally get it, but when you have people calling you up every day, it's it makes it hard. So, all right. Thank you very much. Thank you.
058Thank you. [Music] Without. [Music] So that brings us to the third member or number item on our agenda. Continued work session for the supplemental design guidelines for the northern commercial mixeduse village district. This air in the northern commercial district was created at town meeting March 11, 202. Uh also review section 120.2 off streetet parking and loading. So I will hand it over to uh Jay. So there's uh um I I've not changed any images at this point although I will um do some image changing and adding. There was only one change that we made as a result of the last meeting and that's on page three. I, by the way, just for ease, you may recall, I had changes in, I think, three colors the last time you saw it, and I just decided not
059to add a fourth. So, I've accepted all the prior changes. The only change you're going to now see is from the last meeting. So, unless I miss something, that was the only change. And it was to address the issue of parking between the uh a non-residential building and the street. Uh, so the way it would read previously it was you can't have more than one row of parking between the building and the street. I'm just going to go there on the screen as well. And so that's been changed to say a single row of parking located between the front facade of the building and the street is preferred. So it's no longer required. It just says it's preferred. And then it says parking areas located to the side or rear of the building are encouraged.
060Whereas previously it said that's your other option. So So now it's encouraged and preferred. That was really the only change. And obviously that was the subject of a lot of discussion. Yes, it was. So did you say too that we were going to wait on parking until they make some decisions up at the state? I did. Um, I did hand it out anyhow just to show you what changed since the last time. Um, and this was something we had a fair amount of conversation around. So, if you're going to the parking rags, starting on page one, um, we had, you know, kind of concern around the term, you know, around churches and, uh, so there's really only a couple of things that we changed. So you can see that we decided to add the term
061under E uh gathering spaces. So now it simply is puts has one category for private clubs, function halls and gathering spaces. And then on the next page, page two, I think it was just based on our conversation. We didn't think realistically that we were ever going to see a marina. So we struck merina as a potential use. And um so that was it. Here it does appear. So the when you go all the way down to the bottom of page three under multif family residential development um the suggestion here was that we amend the standards to comply with what was the is the current maximum of 1.5 parking spaces for any larger multif family residential development. It does appear that um the bill that would reduce it to one parking space is going to pass
062and will probably that's as I understand it it survived the committee of conference and uh that portion of it looks like it's going to survive and go on to the governor. So very likely we will have to change the 1.5 to one. Uh to the best of my knowledge, the rest of it continues to exist. Um the rest of the changes in um and I'm looking in subsection AS um are all changes that we wanted to make regardless. Um these were changes to the parking space dimensions and to the requirement that basically said you had to have a two-car garage. Um so all those changes would still be true. It's just that we would change that one point one and a half parking spaces to one and the alternative parking solution language to the best
063of my knowledge has survived. So that's still something we would have to include. So you feel strongly that we'd have to switch it to the to what the state says. And I say that because it seems that the state they're they're using a catchall for basically it doesn't matter if you're urban, suburban, rural, basically for everybody it's the same which is ridiculous. Right. In this case, that's true. And I mean, any developer worth their salt is going to tell you that there's no way there's only one parking space for I mean, people want people have guards. It's not like we have, you know, public transportation at the ready around here. I you can't require more. So, we would we would not be allowed to require more. Realistically, in Lichfield, no one is going to propose
064one parking space. I think the development that we've been looking at across the street it's four um but yeah yeah we can add uh encouraged language if you want to say yeah we're definitely a certain meaning is encouraged it's yeah it's it's it's definitely something to think about and you know maybe looking to encourage additional parking for visitors um might be a way to look at it um no one's going to propose one parking space. It's just not going to happen in Lynchfield. Yeah. Unless it's Yeah. And I can't imagine an apartment building full of studio apartments is going to come to Lichfield. It will happen in Nshawa. Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. It does. They actually have a maximum parking requirement in Nashville. What's the maximum parking? I think it's less than one. So,
065you can't have more than one unless you get a waiver. uh they're going to change that almost certainly, but uh it'll wind up going to because they've also allowed no parking on site downtown if you can show it's kind of that alternative parking language. If you can show you've got access to public parking, um but that's become very strained right now in downtown Nasha. Um there are areas now that really don't have enough parking. So for a place like NSHA having parking garages uh adjacent to developments is preferable. Yeah. So that most recent development for those who know it that went in on school street uh that's their scenario. Um there is public parking underneath the building. There is less than one space for each unit. And the units don't have, to the best of
066my knowledge, access to those spaces. Uh they're not their parking spaces. They can park in the garage. It was a compromise. Yeah. Well, it's nuts, but that's still Nashville. There's more transportation options if you know or walkability. I mean, this is Lichfield, you know, like Yeah. I mean, truly. Yeah. It's not a standard that makes sense in an urban, you know, in a suburban or rural community. It isn't. Okay. Okay. So, are there any other changes that we're going to want to do? I I that's um obviously up to us. Um there's a lot in here that changed and uh we haven't really talked about this one in a while, but most of the changes were um an effort to get away from areas that required language related to the number of employees on the
067largest shift, which was all over the place. is something that's just really really difficult to objectively measure uh and difficult to handle when the use of a building changes and replacing that with a square footage based requirement. So that that's really the change that's most consistent. There's still a couple places where you see it because there isn't a good other option, but in almost every case those went away. and um the you know so that that's the main one and there were a few areas but what I tried to do is you know take a sample of communities in the area to see what what people are requiring and there are some areas where our parking requirements were much higher than most other places. So that was the other change that was significant. anytime it
068really looked out of whack, um, we changed it. And also there's just been changes changes in the way people, you know, use different facilities. So, um, that mattered as well. And I think that was really that was primarily it that and just trying to eliminate um some that um you know as we said a couple of the uses that are just never going to happen. We're never going to have a transportation terminal. Why have a freckling server, right? It just takes up space. Um so that that was those are really the main changes. I what I didn't distribute I don't think. Um, and but I will is a clean copy because this is hard to read. There's so many changes. So, I'll send everybody a clean copy so just that you have it and as
069soon as we know it comes out of the legislature, we'll know what we have to do, you know, in terms of the parking standard for residential and then we can move forward, I think, if we wish. So, we'll want to wait until the legislature um finalizes stuff before we send this to public hearing. Probably I would think so just because we want to know. I I I think it's going to come down to whether the governor signs it. But, um that's just one piece we want to know. Obviously, it's an easy change to make, but it's a substantive change. So, sending it now and making a substantive change would mean we'd have to have another hearing. So there's kind of no point uh for the um you know design guidelines. It's it's really up to
070you for the design standards whether you want to wait on that also or you want to send it to um a public hearing. Okay. my opinion on that. I don't know if you want it, but I I feel like our chair and uh Jeremy have significant input that they probably want I' I'd want their blessing. I' want them here. Um I don't know if anyone else agrees. I see some heads now. I would agree with that. I think they they've been a pretty large part of the process and I would hate to lose their input. So we could add it to the next agenda and then that way we'll probably be able to get both done at once because we'll know what's going to come out of the legislature at that point. Yeah. And then
071and would you feel the same way with the uh supplemental design guidelines? Well, that's what I was actually referring to because I I know, you know, I know they've provided both of them have provided input, but I feel like that if if you're going to send it to public hearing, I think they should have one more opportunity to say yes or no. And it's not like we have such a sense of urgency that we can't wait one more meeting. That said, the public hearing is an opportunity for them to comment and if worst case scenario, we can do a second public hearing or a third. That's a good point. Um because like we have two pro we have two uh informal proposals for the what the regulations would apply to. And it probably doesn't make
072sense for us to wait longer than necessary. because those proposals are the formal proposals are coming soon. Well, Jay, you mentioned you were going to change pictures or something. Were you going to make I I I don't have to. I'd like to get more images, more pictures included. Um those are examples. Okay. And we could certainly do that. A public hearing then basically is that what you're saying as a result of a public hearing? Certainly. Yes, we could. So, it's it's really what folks want. We're we're looking at a a July 1st meeting would be our first meeting in July and our second meeting would be the 15th. So, we could do it either way. July 1st, we'd have to have the notice on Friday, right? If we wait till to make a decision uh
073until the 1st, we would make the 15th. So, it's really just a twoe difference basically. Yeah. Yeah. You're the acting chair, so you Yeah. If if the uh if we know we want to add more images, it probably makes sense to wait until we have those images. Okay. In there. Uh but if not, then my preference would probably be to send it to public hearing for the next meeting. And again, that's a choice. We don't have to add more images. Uh there were some more I thought would be nice to add, but we don't have to. Yeah. Yeah, if you wait till the 15th, then you can find out what what happens with the parking and do it all at once. That's true. So, it looks like a good chunk of the board is leaning
074towards uh later public. Okay. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other. I'm respectful of the the developers who want to have some some finality in the the regulations that they'll have to adhere to, but I do also want to get this right. Yeah, I guess uh in the meantime, do we have any uh comments from members of the public? No, just that I you know, as was stated earlier, the parking from a residential standpoint really is going to be dictated by the developer not wanting to go with that fewer parking spots. Yes. It's just a nuisance. People just don't want it. Um, so I don't think you're going to have um you may have an issue in your regulations that you don't like, but I don't think the practicality behind it is
075going to be as as terrible as you think it might be. I'd be shocked. I know I wouldn't do it. Hard to rent out a place. It's extremely well. You can see we have over at the farm and that's based on experience of other locations that we built the same style unit and we had additional parking throughout the neighborhood and at the same point we had trash containers throughout the neighborhood to make it easier and more convenient. We ended up taking all the trash containers off their pads, consolidating them in one location so that they had additional parking in those locations and it still wasn't enough. Mhm. So, you know, there are certain times when it's just especially in the winter time when everything gets pinched down, it really becomes more difficult. So, we had,
076you know, no issues with parking over there and that it's nice to not get those phone calls. So, okay. So, I guess unless someone like unless someone would like to make a motion to um have the public hearing uh next meeting, I guess we can uh just put an agenda item into the next meeting to continue the workshop. We'll add it to the first. Hopefully, we can have all final images at that point. We will. U what images do we uh are we looking for? I think there just some more examples. You know, I I I think we you know, Le from London area. I think there's some good examples that we could add. There's a couple more I've seen in Amherst and they're not critical. I I think that I'd like to get I
077think it's important to have a good example of a retail building. Um the examples of the commercial buildings that we had are really office, which is fine, but uh that's probably the one thing I think I'd really like to see in here are some good retail examples. Um and you know, ideally, why not throw in a daycare? we've already had conversation around two of you know that on two sides right so uh and I know there's a couple good examples out there so that that would also kind of make sense um and I guess if members if any members that are currently present aren't present in the next meeting would you be comfortable with what we have here being moved to public hearing I would be okay so we'll keep that in mind if when
078we're considering that next It's a good point. Um, yeah, because it is summer. Yeah. Into that time. Um, I guess, uh, any other discussion on the supplemental design guidelines or the parking? Not from my end. But of course, the other thing that we do know is that um, you know, there's this has been a very active legislative session. So, we'll definitely have some things to think about um on the zoning side um you know once this legislative session ends. Any uh that would that you that come to mind I guess? Yeah, I mean just off the top of my head uh as we saw this evening and and this is the ADU changes aren't huge for Lichfield because we already allow um attached by right and we allow detached. Um the big change is just
079the square footage requirement will go up to 950 ft will now be the minimum. So that's a change we'll have to make. That's not a huge change, but that is just one we'll have to make and that's an ordinance. So we'll have to have that or um yes for town meeting. The other one is um that would affect Lichfield if it passes and we don't know if it will because it hasn't to the best of my knowledge um come out of a committee on conference of conference. Uh and that would be that uh manufactured housing would have to be allowed anywhere where a single family home is allowed. Uh so that's a significant change. That is a very significant change. Should that survive, it might not. So, we'll have to wait and see on that.
080I was watching the um there's one that would require that multif family residential be allowed in commercial zones. Um but and I'd have to double check on that, but the last I saw that bill, it it is for commercial zones that have water and sewer. Um so that would not affect Lichfield. Um although again, things can change. So, but at this point, those are really the big ones. the lot size requirement one would not have affected Lichfield but that didn't survive. Um and I'm sure there's other ones that'll come along as well. So the ADU 950 minimum not maximum. We can't require anything less than. Okay. Right. Gotcha. Now the law is 750. Okay. Yeah. I don't think that will be too consequential because it the how well you design the ADU matters more than
081the raw square footage in terms of how it fits into the neighborhood. I I think that's right. And um I mean as we saw this evening what you know we had one that was proposed and it was proposed for less than you know our our maximum. So that's going to happen too. People are going to propose what makes sense. Um the the times I think and it's it's not been an issue in Lichfield. I think once we had one that got a variance. It was Yeah, we had one that did get a variance because highway that was gigantic. That was gigantic. So that does happen where it becomes an issue more is for people who are converting basement and you find yourself in a situation where you don't want to leave like dead space in
082a basement. What do you do with the rest of the basement? And sometimes that could be a challenge. It used to be a basement. So you can do that, right? Carve out a piece that stays with but that sometimes that's a challenge. Sometimes the second level of a garage is a challenge if it's a very large garage. Yeah. And I can also imagine enforcability would be harder because people can more easily um just ex manually themselves finish the places that they would have had to have just to fit the requirements kept unfinished. Yeah, but I think in in general, Lichfield has been in pretty good shape because we really do allow opportunities for multif family. We do allow opportunities for manufactured housing in parks. Um, you know, so now with the changes in the northern
083commercial zone, there really is significant opportunity here. And Lichfield's lot size requirements are not very large for single family. They're only an acre. So for a lot of the stuff that's been talked about, it really wasn't going to have a significant impact on Lichfield. Yeah, it would be if we are going to have to revise the ADU um requirements, it would probably be interesting to run a survey to see what people want from that to see if they would want just the state required minimum or if they would want more. That's that's certainly a thought. We've seen some communities go larger depending on the nature of them. There's changes to things like um building permits on class 6 road, but I don't think that impacts Lichfield either. I don't think we have class six roads.
084So, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't affect Lichfield that is going to affect especially our more rural towns. Yeah. Yeah. And um one of the reasons that I wonder if people would want just the minimum or if they would want slightly more than the minimum for a for ADUs is um that there are probably plenty of people that are going to age in place and they want probably to build an ADU so they can just move into their ADU while having their kids live in the bigger house. Um yeah, some people might want a little more space. Oh yeah. Yeah, we we we definitely see that, but we just don't want it to become a full duplex. That's the balance. And as you may have seen, there's a development that went in in Hudson
085with new homes built all of them with ADUs. Yeah. Interesting. Be surprised if we see more of that. Okay. The cost like 1.2 million. They are. Yeah. It's expensive. Very expensive. Very nice but very expensive. Yes, it user expensive. Okay. Any other discussion items for uh for the uh workshop? Okay. So, um I think that is it for the main the major uh items on the agenda. So, next we have committee reports. [Music] So, we have I have nothing to report. I was out of town last week. You want parking? Okay. Who else is um uh part of any other committees here? Um and when like Jeremy's out, he's part of the economic development, right? Um conservation will be July 10th instead of the first Thursday. It'll be the second Thursday. There's the holiday meeting
086and National Regional Planning Commission is tomorrow. So, it's the annual meeting. So, it'll be adoption of the budget. Um the due schedule and there's also as always a amendments to the transportation improvement program. So, there's several there, none that affect Lichfield directly, although they affect you if you drive around roads in the region. Um and um really the big ch most of the changes there are in NSHA and most of them are delaying projects um in a large part because of match requirements. It's too challenging for the city to come up with a match for as many projects as they have approved. Um, and then the other thing we're seeing is a presentation from the Department of Safety, um, talking about some of the changes and initiatives they're trying to implement statewide, but the trends
087are for, you know, an increase in serious injuries and fatalities on New Hampshire roads, some of which you just may have seen anecdotally through, you know, the news, but we are seeing more really, really severe crashes. Um, a lot of them involving people going across the center line, including pretty wide areas, a lot of vehicles going off the road, and for some reason, a lot of extreme speed. Yeah. Just in the past month, there have been like four deaths that I've seen on the news in Lichfield, London, um, uh, Yep. and, uh, the town north of Manchester. golf center hooks it. Hooks it. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I'm turn one after the other. Yes. It's very unfortunate. It It really is. It's It's really awful. So, there are definitely some moves. You know, the whole goal
088has been to reduce, you know, um serious injuries and fatalities. And we're going in the other direction. And, you know, not entirely sure why, but they're trying to at least do something. Some of them are infrastructure like on 95, you know, I think we had five fatalities with people going off the road. Uh so they're but they are delaying those improvements um budget reasons. So those will be in 2026. What type of improvements would are they proposing in 95 a barrier there? They were also they were talking about steel cables um running down the middle. So, if anybody goes across the center line and basically crosses traffic, um it would prevent a head-on collision. Yeah. It would conceivably stop them, but the but the the cost was way too high. Yeah. So, they're going to
089go go out to bid again, I think, is the plan. Um so so it'll it'll be interesting to hear what they you know have to say about the trends and what um you know what they're thinking you know what can we do to get this reversed because it's pretty stunning you know especially people going 110 I mean the wrong way it's like with their seat belt off of course of course in the middle of the day you know I would. Okay. It's it's baffling. So at any rate, we'll have a presentation on that. Okay. So after that, we have um of the June 3rd, 2025 minutes. Everyone here had a chance to review those. I saw one quote that didn't look right. Uh let me find it. Okay. Uh so in the quote on page
090two um from the bottom let's go to the bottom fifth from the bottom. Mr. Mr. Charbano expressed concerns about the parking configuration. Mr. Protopolis noted that section 190-5.3 reads, "Not more than a single row of parking may be between the front facade and the street. Additional parking areas must be located on the side of the rear of the building. It should be or the rear. It's not side of the rear. Anyone else have any uh errors they've noticed? Okay. Uh would someone like to make a motion to approve the June 3rd, 2025 minutes as amended? So moved. Second. Okay. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Okay. All those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying I. I. I. Uh opposed and abstain. Okay. So, we have or that. And
091back to the agenda. Uh any other business for this evening? You may notice in the uh portal for this uh meeting at the very bottom there's a slide presentation from the June 11th um presentation the town administrator gave regarding town policies and procedures and right to know. Uh I attended the workshop for that. It was very informative. Uh the slides give uh a great deal of information. I encourage everyone to review them. Any takeaways? Major takeaways? RSA 91A is very important and we should be aware of the requirements and adhere to them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to be very careful with um messaging. Okay. Any other um business? Well, I'll echo that. I just got a 91A request for another town and what they're looking for is pretty comprehensive and in the case of that
092community, they're going to be scrambling. It's always best not to have to scramble because those always come from well, not always, but there's very often from an attorney and there's a reason they're asking. Yeah. Okay. Um if there's no other business uh then someone may make a make a motion to Yes. Do we have a motion? And I'll second that. You have a second from Jesse. Okay. Um any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion to adjurnn, please signify by saying I. I. Uh opposed and abstained. Motion passes 600. Okay. Thanks for at uh watching the uh planning board June 3rd or I mean u June 17th planning board meeting. Our next meeting will be in July 4th. July 1st. July 1st. Um yeah, thanks for watching. Good job.