001Right now, we just need a bigger one. Wow. That's why if you drive down Albuquerque on that side of the road, I put a sprinkler system in last year so we can get that greener and planted those trees. Nice. So, you have a lot of excess water from the quarry. Yeah, we have Yeah, we have we have we have plenty of water. Any like street lights or anything? Yeah, there'll be there'll be some lights, you know, we'll we'll put be putting lights in, you know, inside the development. Probably I don't think any on Albuquerque, but at the intersections and inside the project a little bit. Will the units have like decks on the back? They'll have they'll have a a small deck um similar to what we have right now, just a small deck. So
002for the ones in front of Albuquerque, those will be on the rear side opposite Albuquerque. They'll be on the rear side. Everything that's on Albuquerque will have the front door will be facing Albuquerque and everybody will enter the unit from the back door or they'll have to walk all the way around the house if they want to go in the front door, but walk all the way around the building. So that back is almost like a service drive. It's what? It's almost like a service drive. Yeah, that's what it is. The back the the road in the back. Y and everything will be ground floor units are not going to be raised backs and all that. So just be just like what you have at just what I have right now. What about the parking
003for the um 16 unit building? Is that that's in the back of the building? That's in the front and the back. Okay. It's got one row in the front, one in the back. Okay. Well, I think it looks great. I mean, I Yeah, I think it, you know, looks pretty good terms of We have a long ways to go, but it's just kind the beginning of the Yeah, exactly. But I my biggest what I wanted to do the most is make sure we didn't have driveways off of Al or facing Albuquerque. And I think we've accomplished that. We and you know the with the fence and trees and the trees that we've already planted out there and more trees and it can it'll look pretty good. I personally like the idea of having garages in
004the back. In New England, garages are almost a necessity. Yeah. And I think with the way it's laid out, you really wouldn't even see them unless you drive into the the service road and get a loop, you'll see them, but pretty well hidden. I like the horseshoe road. I think it's there's a value to in having a mix of housing types and the commercial layout I think makes sense. I think it's very much kind of what at least I was envisioning. Right. Exactly. Is there visitor parking or will folks be in the back where the tenants are? So, wherever there's a garage, the the unit actually has a the garage plus three parking spots, which are way more. I you know, it's like, you know, I was reading we have one and one and a
005half is not enough. You know, it's just not you need you need a minimum of two. Um, we have we have at Calawa Court we have we have the same thing. We have three plus the garage but everybody fills the garage. So they have three and the still not enough. It's really not, you know, but where do you where do you draw the line, you know? How wide is the loop road? Uh, it'll be paved 24T wide. Okay, good. Well, it'll all be built to the same standards. Everything will be built to the same road standards at parking lots, same pavement thicknesses, the gravel thicknesses, all that stuff be the same. It'll all have they'll have town water. It'll have natural gas, which is a big plus having natural gas. It's so much cheaper than
006anything. In the event of uh full parking, do you think visitors will be able to park on the side of the internal road? Will the businesses be able the the visitors? Oh, visitors. I think I think we have enough parking, but it's, you know, three spots per unit. So, I mean hopefully people get along a little bit so if someone they can all park in there, you know, I would hope. Yeah, I'm assuming they won't be assigned. So, yeah. Yeah, that's that's a lot of parking, I think. Yeah, it's it's it's just it's there's days it's not enough, you know, but most of the time it's fine. I noticed that there's um drive into the retail that faces Charles Charles Bankraftoft, right? And then you if let's say if you were coming home and you
007wanted to pick something up there and then you had to go back out onto Albuquerque and then back into the into the neighborhood, would there be a um like a walking path that you could between the neighborhood and that Well, we're going to build So, when we do this, we're required to build build a sidewalk all the way down to Kobe Road on on 3A. Okay. So, we'll have a there will be a sidewalk all the way down to Kobe Road. Okay. What I was referring to though was the folks in this community. Yep. Could they on foot? Um, absolutely. Walk all the way around. Yes. Everything in the back. All our units, everything that we do will have a sidewalk attached to it. So, someone in the 16 unit building wants to walk their
008kids to the daycare, they they can walk their kids there. Okay. Everything will be tied in with sidewalks. Will you have an additional sidewalk that's not on alongside one of the roads to connect to the back of the commercial property? There'll be a sidewalk on the loop road going around the loop road. Yeah, but what about to just skip over the grass? Yeah. Yeah, they'll everything will be connected. So, wherever you know, probably a couple spots will connect the the parking lot with So, if you look at the end of the nine the uh 9,000 foot building, there's a sidewalk there right at the end that's kind of just dark colored in pencil. There'll be a sidewalk from there that will go to the loop road. Nice. So, everything will be tied in so people
009can walk. That's the That's what we want to try to do. What's your plans for the remnants of Morgan Road? That's not a town road. It's a It's a private road. So, it just got called Morgan Road because uh um Sterling KBY and um it got called that back way back in with Sterling and Bill Kobe and it was Morgan Road, but it was it's not a town road. The town doesn't maintain it or anything. Are you are you planning on digging it up and rerouting the um like as shown here, rerouting the driveway to that house to the internal road? Yes, there we won't use what is called Morgan Road at all. That intersection's too terrible to add any traffic to that intersection. So, the only people that'll be coming out Morgan Road when
010we're done is Ramanos. That's it. And if you want to get to Raanas from the units, you're probably going to have to cross. There'll be a side we can run a sidewalk to the to the edge of the property or there'll be a there'll be a a sidewalk down the front to go to to to KBY Road that somewhere in the land somewhere is in there. If you um so if you were looking if you were on KBY Road and you came to the stop sign, the rightway actually keeps going straight right there. So that's probably where we'll bring the sidewalk because when they built what's 3A now that so where Kby Road is that used to be 3A then they built the piece from the south end of Kobe Road to the north end
011of Kobe Road is when they straightened that out. way back in before my time or a lot of times probably. Yeah. The money Charles Bankraftoft left behind. Yeah. So, there's this little piece that that there is a old pavement there right now, but that's will probably bring the sidewalk in somewhere there. Yep. So in so looking at this it just kind of um seeing that we can agree on the these documents that you're doing kind of all tie together. I mean so you get an idea what we're we're trying to accomplish and I want your input too on what you know your thoughts and as we said before I think the only I think it it looks great. I mean, I think um if we can sort of keep the the rural agricultural feel to
012it, then I think it'll be it' be good. That's just and that's going to be in the design this siding of the building and how we can make those look. So, yeah, with the parking garages, it helps that they are on the back relative to Albuquerque. Um do you know how long those buildings are? I think they're the same length, just about the same length of the building. So, uh, I believe they're 60 feet long, I believe. Rose meadows, I would guess, right? Excuse me. Like like you see a rose meadows. Same thing. Identical. I think they're 60 feet. Do you think 72? Sorry. Six units 12 feet a piece. 72. Do you think it would be logical to like instead of having one long one do like two smaller ones or this style the
013building so it's not a very long thing? Well, we what I like about having the the shorter ones then then we can hide the dumpsters in between them. So that's the we have we have someplace to put the dumpsters because we need dumpsters out there too. That's always a a challenge where you're going to put those so they're not a nice sight. Architecturally the design is such that they don't have this massive front face to them. Yeah. So it's not it's not the oldfashioned ugly building that that used to be constructed. Um I was trying to think the um like post office boxes or things like that or they got that's required by the post office. If you drove by Rose Meadow, that's what they require now. Okay. That's not It has to be It
014has to be inside a building like that and it has to be set up like that, centralized like for everybody. Yeah. But it has to be in a building. So, we made that building a little bit bigger so that if there were kids um that if it was raining, they could go stand in there while they're waiting for the bus if they wanted to. However, or hoping too that the bus would pull in and make the loop. So, we made it so that big enough so they could the bus could make the loop if there were kids there. Huses go down private roads here. You know, they don't go down private roads, but they turn around wherever they want, however they want, when they want, wherever they can, right? They they turn our driveway at
015Continental Paving is a is a private road and they turn around there every single day. So, okay. It's a I don't know. It's one of those things. What do you think about keeping that kind of rail fence, the white rail fence? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I like that. That's a nice Yeah, that's definitely No, we're keeping all that. That's all staying good. You want it to look rural. That provides a screen without being the screen. Yeah. And it does keep that rural look. So, yeah. And where the so this is KBY Brook, you have the flood plan. So that's all going to be trees in there that just staying the way it is. It's a field right now. So we don't we don't clear other than up by the existing duplex. Okay. And a couple spots.
016We don't clear anything. Well, we have to take out some of the big trees. We're going to save as many as we can up in the commercial area as you know what we don't have to take down. We'll leave as as many big trees as we can. It's almost like a tree buffer there. Y tree line there already. There's a tree line against up against Kobe Brewer. Y thank you for giving us something to really look at and consider and ask a million questions on. It's very helpful. Yeah. And I and you know, as I said before, this is this is the first one. So, you know, I want I want input. So, yeah. I want you know somebody doesn't like something, I'm not offended. I I want to hear it so we can talk
017about it and say and at some point we'll come in. We're a ways away from having a final plan. So, we'll be in with Jim will be coming in. We'll have some we'll have some renderings of the buildings. We, you know, discuss that, make sure you guys are happy with that. I don't um my my gut feeling it's going to be more like the siding that's on the on the golf course. It's all it's all wood wood siding I believe or that they make a board. I forget what they call it, but it's what I put on the house that I moved across from where the gas station is. That same type of siding. So, it's going to have that look to it. That's what I my goal is. So, um, in terms of the
018I don't know, we talked about like the post office boxes have to be inside, but, um, like a would you have a be doing a like a like in the middle of this little road? um like a barn building or anything or I I don't know what you were thinking, but um we don't we don't have we're not going to have a like a a clubhouse or anything like that. Yeah, maybe that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. No, we don't not our intention. Um yeah, I don't I don't think we would I don't think we'll be having that. But the the I think like the post office's box is probably going to be closer to the commercial area where that box would be up at that end. There'll be one building for for everybody will be
019in there. is the I don't know if you know obviously you're planning to have a daycare but um is there going to be like an you know some daycare is like outside area. Yeah, that's that's the bigger area that that's that's opened up that just looks like it's got a fence around it. Yeah. Yeah, that's what that is. That's a playground area. And again, we have to get with people that do dayc carees and um that'll be a very convenient location for a daycare. Just on your way to um the north, just drop them off and keep going. Y absolutely. and and it and it's my intention to make that work um financially for whoever will run it so that it's um it because I think it's a big need for it and I think
020it's a need within the community and and everything. So we we we'll be subsidizing that to some degree get it in. What's that little to the left of the fence daycare? That little driveway little box. What's that? Next to the daycare across this off the loop road. This one. Off the loop road. Yeah, right here. Like looked like a might be a large dumpster location or No, that that so Jim put in that's where we're going to I I believe we're going to end up with another building there. That's a maintenance garage. Okay. So, that's what that is. That's a maintenance garage, but I don't want the maintenance garage yet. That's why I said I'm going to put it over. I'm going to add on to the So, that additional units would be, right? That
021could be an that could be one more unit. Yeah, I think. But that's that's what's going to go there. I don't I don't want a garage there. I don't want people leaving junk out. I think the um the mailbox would be better back further because you got a lot of turning traffic up here and everybody's going to have to go to the mailbox. Why not push it back interior? Yeah, we can. It just it just it'll be in there. It's just going to be behind the commercial units. That's my guess. Yeah. And there'll be a loop for them to pull in. Yeah. Just like drove by Rose Meadow. Yeah. They can pull, grab their stuff. They're not stopping traffic. Same type of thing. The intention. Anyway, what uh what's speaking of Rose Meadow? What when
022do you think the widening of 102 will have? We're going to start um we're going to be starting in about two weeks. We just had a we finally got a meeting with the state just takes forever. We got our approval, but getting a meeting, you know, we had a pre-construction with the town so that we're all set town side, but getting the steak guy out there, we've been chasing him for five weeks. Cutler Road to be the same time. Excuse me. Six and Cutler Road to be Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It all happened at the same time. The telephone polls are already moved, so it's it's that part's done. We got that done last year. So, it's pretty that's pretty easy at this point. And most of it just two foot wide widening on 102
023and then a overlay moving the crown of the road. So, it's just pavement. But Cutler is going to increase decrease elevation or something like that. So, you don't have to look back over your shoulder for No, no, it's going to come up. There'll be a 90 degree 90 degree intersection. Yeah, I think it would be 90 and if I remember correctly, it'd be kind of flat. It's not going to drop down immediately. Flat counts as a little piece to the to the Yeah. forget if it's one or two car flat area before when you're turning right or left or coming in. Yeah. And then it goes down then over there. And then during the construction, I believe you said you're going to shut off that end of Cutler for a while and people have to
024go through over by Dr. Goo's office. Yeah. improvement. Sure, the Rose Meadows looking very good. Well, I there was the the trees are all in. They're supposed to be because I'm going in the main road. It's going to have trees up both, you know, all the way trees, but we just can't get them planted. Didn't have enough [Laughter] help. Trying to get other stuff done, but they're coming. They're there. They're They're there to be put in. Amen. Before Memorial Day. Yep. You always rain. So, hey, you don't have to water them. You know, we actually we we uh we lucked out. We we dug two wells there. One well was 120 gallons a minute. Wow. And and the second one we drilled was 85 gallons a minute. So, we have plenty of water to water
025the whole place. But are they are the residents on Penachuk? The residents are on Penach and that tie through to the other place too behind. Yeah. Yeah. Just for the sprinkler system because you can't afford it. Yeah. You can't afford Penach for sprinkler assistance. Speaking of trees, the ones along Albuquerque look nice, too. The ones you guys planted last year. Yeah. Last. Yeah. I mean, once they really take start to um, you know, grow real strong, they're going to look great. Yeah. That's what we tried. That's what we tried to do at Moors Falls, but the power company killed us. We planted them all. That just kills me because there's so much growth the other side of the road. It's so much higher. Yeah, they didn't. Now I'm worried about the sidewalk because we have
026we have to get a hold of New England Power. He keeps trying Jason keeps trying to call National Grid, but it's New England Power. It's both. They think I because I looked at the tax assessing and it goes to New England Power, but I don't think they're going to let us put that sidewalk too close to those poles. No, but why don't they just Bunny just make them put it in the rightway like we're doing do the same thing because we don't want to be on the outside of the fence. It's going to be on the outside of the fence. It's going to be that way now. It's going to it it's the right place to put it. Yeah. The traffic at five o' That's where it's going to be now. I mean, well, on
027the east side, it won't it won't be you don't have a fence on the east side. They're going to put a curb in and it you can have a grass strip in between it. There's so many things you can do that they should just put it. We might have to. They should just put it in the rightway. This fishing game won't let us pave it. Yeah, just put it in the put it in the rightway and get it be done. Check that out. And um you mentioned penetr fire hydrants. Are you have hydrants in there? Fire hydrants. Yep. Yep. Everything will be Can we have those on the irrigation system? Have the fire hydrants on the irrigation system. Yeah. Instead of paying the penn bill, you know, we you know, so if you if you
028notice the green fire hydrants that pass gone away, those are hooked up to our sprinkler system. Oh, really? But that only works in the summertime. Yeah. Anybody have anything else? Do the garage structures have any windows on them? Uh, no. Okay. So, the back will just be siding. Yep. Just siding. Yep. You think it would be reasonable to add a few windows to make it not look like a wall. Um, we can I can have them show some windows. Um, the problem they just line right up the same way. So, and and the units being 12 feet. So, maybe every other one we could do that and somebody has to wash the windows. I was going to say I don't know if I'd want windows of my garage for people to be looking out. So,
029I mean, where you see these garage garages placed, the backs of them, as I understand it, are facing that interior middle, right? So, the only people are going to see them, the backs of it are if you're way over there driving in the loop. Jared, this is currently at Rose Meadow. Yeah, I have to here. Oh, yeah. Yep. And we can, you know, we can plant some I'd rather plant some trees to be honest with you. Yeah, that makes sense. Some trees. Pretty upper landscaping. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some trees. The way they're they're aligned, the way they're positioned, you won't there's no reason to see the back of those. Yeah, I've seen them up there. Yeah. Landscaping would probably need I think landscaping and some BMS and different things we can put. We can do
030a lot with those. Okay. Well, we thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. If there's things that you know that we can something you want or could come back, let me know. are thinking of. All right. Couple years. So, don't put the house for sale just yet. No, this is this wouldn't even We're not even going to we're going to get this going, but we probably wouldn't even start construction till 27. To be honest with you, want to get Rose Meadow done and then we'll then we'll start this. We may build the commercial space first and then build the units is probably what's going to happen. Yeah. I I was going to say I do do we have the ability to insist on that that the commercial goes in first? Well, I think
031I I'm well, it's got to financially we have to do that. Yeah. Right. We negotiable. I was just going to say I I figured it was in there somewhere or phased in some way, but yeah, I think it's negotiable. You do. Oh, you need to absolutely. Oh, you'd be surprised. People like to put in the other first and then say, "Oh, gee, we're going to forego the other." No, no, not we we we accounted for that in the ordinance. The timing and phasing plan for both the commercial and residential portions of the development shall be submitted for approval by the planning board. We got this. No, you need to do that. Absolutely. Yeah. And don't go away from it. You don't know how many times things were going to get saved and things were going
032to happen. And I remember when where Wilson's is, right? There was a remember the the bond and the silo was there. They were saving that bond and they were going to redo that. Soon as the plan got approved, there was not nothing tied to it. They ripped it down instantly. You know, just happens too often. But anyway, seen too many things like that happen. Okay. All right. Thanks a lot. Thank you. All right. So, um I guess uh we will uh we're still in our workshop. I guess I'll turn it over to Jay. Uh Jay. All right. So, join in. I'm going to start with the um mixed juice guidelines. Uh I wasn't going to run through everything again because we kind of did do that last time. So maybe on a high level, but
033I was going to focus more on the changes. Uh but just kind of um very very quick, you know, overall we we start uh I'm just starting at the top of the document if you're following along. Uh 120.15. Uh the just the general goals, the general requirements uh which we talked about before. This really focuses on uh walkability. So the requirements of internal sidewalks, sidewalks around them um and kind of how to manage that and um it does have the garages, carports, parking lots, driveways should not be the dominant aspect of site design. Underground utilities were possible and use open and recreational spaces as a community focal point. So that concept of the village green was was really central. And then there are a couple of examples here of how to achieve that. And some
034of these are really pretty small. Um I don't want to keep going back and forth to the example that we had, but frankly having a visual is helpful. Um so you've just looking at that visual there's opportunities to achieve some of these types of spaces. Um, looking at the loop road, um, kind of the, I guess I would say southerntherly end of the loop road, you can see that there are some green spaces there or spaces between the units, if you can see where I mean, that are not dissimilar from the examples. Um, so it just kind of shows that even smaller spaces like that can be used in addition to that kind of larger central run. So there's different ways you could achieve these kinds of goals and that was the intent of those
035examples. Um, moving on down to the layout requirements. So here is where we had a fair amount of discussion uh both specific to Albuquerque um and just kind of this conversation around um what happens when you more than one street. Now, realistically, that's Albuquerque because now here we've seen a proposed solution, but I'll just go through the language. So, previously what it said simply was that residential buildings should have a primary entrance facing the public or private street that provides it with access. Um, and the idea there being is to promote the sense of walkability, to promote the sense of community. Um, but obviously we had some real concerns of, well, what about Albuquerque? Um, that's a public street. How do you deal with that? Um, so I added the sentence for it should say
036buildings. Uh, for buildings abuing two streets, residential buildings may have a primary entrance facing either street. So that was just pretty simple. In that case, you have a choice. Clearly here a solution was proposed to specifically address that, but it just allows you to have either. Um, and then again, because we had a lot of conversation around Albuquerque and screening views from Albuquerque, I added residential buildings should be screened from view of Albuquerque Avenue to the extent practicable, probably possible um through the use of fencing, trees, shrubs, and or landscape BMS as may be appropriate. So that's loose, but it does say you've got to do some sort of screening, but I think it makes it flexible enough where it could be a combination of things. So it can be that fence mixed with some
037landscaping. It could be putting in a burum if we felt that was necessary. Uh so you do have to screen it in some way. I think there's flexibility in how you get there. Um, next, um, we just changed building shall to should. We had a lot of conversation around that setback. I didn't see that there was a lot, we didn't necessarily say change it, but I thought changing it to shoe should from shall makes it it's encouraged. It's not mandatory. Um and then again it it mean it applies only to the right of way that provides the building with access. Um and again clarifying no more than 20 ft from an internal private street that provides it with access. If we're going to go with a concept similar to what we saw here where you
038have kind of two tiers of roads, which isn't something these regulations contemplated, but in this example, you essentially have what would be the primary access road and then you have these kind of service roads. So that's just a question mark of do we want to make a distinction as to some sort of hierarchy of road? Uh that might be a thought or maybe we don't. Um right now the way this is written again looking at this example the uh drives that provide access to the units and to the garages would be considered a private street that provides it with access and um the buildings would need to face it because Albuquerque is not the road that provides them access and the garages would absolutely be an issue. So again, that's kind of a choice, but
039do we want to contemplate something different or do we want to create a a tier that says service rep? Or we could add wording for situations where the uh visibility from the rear is important. You may locate it front instead, which would only apply to Albuquerque. Right. I guess that's the other thing because I think realistically there's always the possibility that somebody is going to build a public street. Um, but realistically the only street we're talking about is Albuquerque. So maybe we just deal specifically with Albuquerque, which would not be unusual in the town's regulations because Albuquerque is a distinct thing. So we might just want to in this example, say Albuquerque and provide that exception. Yeah. Well, no matter what, we encourage a more of a clustering of of housing and that's going to
040result in the possibility or I think most developers are going to want to have an internal road and build off the internal road. So even if it's a different property, we may have a public road that we don't want it to look too ugly from. So we have to be careful about that. Like the other lot that could be developed in the future is the one off of St. Francis Way. Um, and it's like there's not a ton of frontage on St. Francis way, which is there's a there's the public part of what what looks like the public part of St. Francis way and then the private part of St. Francis way. Um, so um I wonder what how much visibility from St. Francis Way will matter or will it not? Is St. Francis way
041a public or I was I was I thought it was private but I could be wrong. It's possible. I can't click on it in the GI. If I click on in the GIS software, it doesn't show anything. But there's definitely a private portion, right? We can double check that even we can also keep language referencing to, you know, properties at about two or single out Albuquerque for special treatment as well. Yeah, let me give that some thought. And you know this concept, I mean we should we should think about that. Is this is this a concept that that makes sense? If so, we should adapt these regulations accordingly. And I don't know if everybody's had a chance to go to Rose Meadows, but if you haven't, it's probably worth driving around to see whether that
042is that because that is what this is. So, is that the vision? Yeah. Yeah. No, seeing what I've seen in the other developments um by this developer, we're definitely going to need the screening from the town houses because I know the residents wouldn't like to see um one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, just seven in a row of mostly six unit buildings right next to the road. So, they're definitely going to need that screening. Yes. Which is in the regulations, right? Yes. So, yeah, that that is in the regulations or proposed regulations. So, yeah. But, you know, you are going to have a row of seven long garages. So, that's just something to think about the visual impact of that. Yeah. That's facing internal to the It is. Um, it Oh, it won't be
043visible from Albuquerque. It will it will be the dominant characteristic for the people who live there. That is what's going to dominate their environment. Yeah. Inside of the green space, you're just going to see a building be like a building building and then four garages the back, right? which um we discussed earlier the possibility of adding um some screening behind the garages and we might want to codify something along those lines when we may or it might be so specific that you just deal with it through the site plan review process. Um you wouldn't have any um it would be harder to enforce in that situation probably. Yeah. Um, we could look at addressing that. And, uh, but at least the through road, the loop road, um, you know, the garages wouldn't be the dominant
044thing that you see. So, that's a plus. Um, so all right, let me think about how to play with that a little bit language wise. Like maybe in if parking structures become a dominant characteristic of the area, they must have a reasonable buff or reasonable screen. Something to that effect. Yeah, I I'll come up with something that addresses that. Sounds good. Otherwise, go ahead. Then there was the discussion on what do we want to do about the fact that technically the garage structures as proposed are in violation of the proposed regulations because we as we interpret our definition of the internal roadway that's still an internal roadway. Um so I think that's right. So for that yeah I think just having the option like have language in the in the section that defines that it
045must be in the rear. You could say with exceptions when um vis uh when the rear is visible from a primary roadway maybe that's one way or the other way is is creating a tier of roads so that the this loop I'll call it is really a primary access road and those are secondary access so that that might be a way of addressing that um because it really is only people who are going to those particular units whether they live there or visiting those people who are going to be on those ways whatever we want to call them uh as opposed to that bigger loop. Uh so the what you will see visually is very different because the way this is positioned there are no garages that are fronting that roadway at all. Yeah. So
046that's where kind of that idea of maybe calling it a service road um or a secondary access road comes into play. That also then takes care of the issue of where the buildings front necessarily um because they wouldn't front that road. But that's again I I I'll wiggle around that. Okay. Yeah. Either way could work. Yeah. I'll come back with something. may come back with some options that we could look at. Um, kind of moving along. Not a lot more changed here except one of the things that we did question under our number seven was a minimum of 40% of the front yard area between any building or you know public road street etc. needs to be um green space. So um I did not measure. I was looking at Corning Farm as an example
047and I don't think they meet 40%. I can try to measure on the GIS. Yeah. So so my eyeball was um I was going to go back to the site plan and I just didn't have a chance to do that. But my eyeballing it was maybe 3035 um was probably more likely. Okay, I'm going to measure easier if they uh it'd be easier if they were perfect perfectly aligned with the direction that the J and then also on the sides what you consider part of their front. Um, so that's just something to think about that requirement. But, um, I do want to go out and take a couple of examples of what we don't want because there are there's a few townhouse developments that I've seen in NSHA where the entire front is just paved
048right up to the buildings. It's all either walkway or parking the the entire frontage. And that I don't think is quite what we want. I just did the very rough math and it it's around 27%. 27%. Okay. So you said what was it in the So right now most of the guidelines I saw were at 50%. I put it at 40 because I didn't think 50 was realistic. If we if you look at something like a corning firm and you think that's enough, then maybe we drop it to 25. Maybe we make it 30. Those are things we could think about. And then otherwise in terms of the layout for the non-residential buildings, you know, really pretty honestly what we saw here does comply. Uh I mean there we don't see a lot of detail
049here, but realistically uh you know single row of parking, there'll be sidewalk access. um you know the buildings are of course going to face 3A etc. So that seems really pretty consistent. Um and we didn't seem to have a lot of discussion there regarding the coloring. Uh one thing that was brought up in a prior meeting was do we are we okay with all gray? Because um we what you have proposed is discouraging overly vibrant colors. But what do we think about all gray? Because that's a more modern trend that some people like and some people dislike. about brown. We do brown. It's not a bright color. Is your Is your question just the use of gray or that the building is all one color? Um just all gray or or shades of gray. I
050guess the lack of any color, monotone. Yeah. But that falls under the neutral palette. We talked about neutrals, right? So I mean gray is a neutral. Warm and a cool. But I mean I think during the site plan, you know, where you look at a site plan, you look at elevations, you look at what they're using for siding and their coloring. I mean, you know, that we can weigh in on that to a great degree. I mean, you know, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's a question of how specific do you want to get? Yeah. Particularly where there's like six units, I understand you're concerned that, you know, you're going to have all one all one color of any color is going to be you know screams hey it's big and but you know
051so anything you can do during that process of of going through and making sure that they provide us those drawings and like really this is how it's going to look right so we can offer feedback on that that's um basically not approve it until it's the way we want it yeah I mean going going back to corny farm although those are residential So there is that kind of everything's there's a theme, but there is variation in color from one to the next. If those were all gray, that would look really Yeah. Yeah. It would make them look bigger and and much blander. Yeah. And speaking of consistency and variation, uh, one regulation that some towns have that we do not have is a variety, like not having every building be the same size. I think
052I've heard that some towns will require some buildings to have fewer units than others to add just variation and reduce them just cookie cutter look. And I don't know if we would want to consider that or not. I don't know. I guess that's a the ones that I've seen more commonly. Um, want to see a variety of housing types. I haven't seen too many that say peaks. Um, that's well, we do have that in our design guidelines. We talk about breaking up facades. Um, but yeah, I I haven't seen anything that but I could certainly look for some examples if that's something we want to pursue to change the number of units. I don't know. Yeah, I don't have a strong opinion on it. Um, what do we what is um like I know Mr.
053Shabnau likes six units. Yeah. What is that corning? Is it four? Four except for the one that he wanted to build in replacement of the two units from the building that was torn down. That's two. And when he was talking about that, he mentioned that some towns require different side like like the two-unit building to break up the four-unit buildings, right? That's where I heard it from. I I would agree like you want some consist uh some variability. I would say maximizing well maximum number of units should be like six because we don't want to see a row of 12, right? I think we had that and I think you know the the the cost factor I mean if he were sitting here he would tell you that the cost factor of the more end
054units you have the more windows the more you know it drives up the cost. So, right. Yeah. Plus the cost of each unit has well each row of housing has a septic. So, you're going to maximize what you can get out of the septic capping it at the number of units in a row. So, so that they don't attempt to go for maximum efficiency that for from our side also they look like Maryland brown houses. We did remove the sixunit limit from the regular from the ordinance which opened up the possibility of that 16 unit building. So we could limit we could limit you know rows of town houses to rows of no more than six if we think that makes sense and encourage a mix you know it's encourage. Yeah. One good thing about
055the way they designed these ones is they do offset the units. So if you look at it as the end units which are at one size and then they looks like they shrink it and offset two groups of two in the center. Right. And there is one group of four and obviously a 16 unit garden style and there might wind up being another um group of two or four if that um in the back. Yeah. where that storage shed is because I think if I heard correctly um I think we're 94 and 96 here and 100 are allowed. 1008 that's but that's I I can put in some language around that and we can see what that looks like as long as there's sufficient square footage in the commercial part to the residential units. Yeah.
056So moving in I did swap out one of the examples. I still don't love it, but I I might get a better one. I might get I probably get a couple of two, but this is uh the one I stuck in there is a small commercial building in Nshawa. Uh it was actually built as a bank and it's currently a dentist office now. Um but it hits the points architecturally of of what's called for in the Rex. I was um driving through Hudson and uh I was looking at the Walgreens location that closed and that would not be allowed in our regulations because I'm assum correct. Um but the facade they have on the side on the sides is definitely pretty good for a flat roof building. Um, and I don't they can probably build
057an even more bland building in the non um mixeduse part of Lichfield. Um, I don't know. I I forget exactly what regulations we but I think we don't have a design standard for the rest of the commercial. We do. We do. In our site plan regs, we've got we've got pretty good ones. And what what do they do regarding facades of commercial buildings? which is also one of the reasons why I didn't go into as much detail here. Um, yeah, good to not duplicate to uh to not duplicate. So, just bear with me while I get to. So they are pretty detailed. Um so getting into this is section 120 13.5 uh building massing forms and pedestrian scale. So uh first of all we say in cases of non-residential facads 50 feet or more in
058length all of these things kick in. Variations in color and/or texture. Variations in roof form and height of roof elements. Emphasis on the rhythm and pattern of windows, columns, and other architectural feelings uh features. Enhanced definition of each floor. I'm not going to go read it all verbatim. Avoidance of blank walls at ground floor levels through the use of windows, trelluses, wall articulation, arcades materials, etc. That would also apply to the garages, by the way, because they're more than 50 feet. They're 70. Y uh use of materials, manufacturing units, blah blah blah. Um use of significant architectural features, including but not limited to columns, plasters, canopies, porticos, awnings, brackets, arches, etc. Use of windows that reveal interior amenities. Use of front porches and entry porticos in multif family residential development. um use of complimentary and
059cohesive yet varied colors and materials to distinguish individual multif family units or structures from one another um etc etc. Uh roof line shall not run in continuous planes of more than 50 ft. Flat roofs are discouraged. All roofs uh shall provide adequate overhangs for pedestrian activity um etc. Windows and entries have to cover 60% of the area of the facade. We've run into some issues with that one. Um, all building entrances shall be clearly defined and highly visible with a minimum of three of the following details. And we go into porticos, canopies, overhangs, etc. Um, building uh rooftop air conditioning and heating equipment has to be screened and then there's building design review, etc. So we really do have pretty detailed. So you couldn't build that building in Lichfield without waiverss. Um these So I
060didn't replicate all of that language here because it would be redundant. But there are some things there that we don't require that we do here such as there we talked about variation in color. Here we discouraged bright color and went with the pastel palette. here uh while there uh flat roofs are discouraged here pitched roofs are required. So there are some additional requirements here. Yeah, it makes sense because next to residences. Yeah. Um but there's a lot that we have. Not to say we couldn't look at those and think of things that we might want to change. Um but they are pretty good. I I mentioned that window requirement because we have wound up giving waiverss from that because that's a hard one to meet. That's really meant if you're a retail store. Yeah. Yeah.
061The uh the ones we've had to give waivers for have mainly been warehouses where windows are messing with storage. Exactly. Exactly. If it's a retail storefront, every people want the windows. Otherwise, they tend not to. Yeah. Do those regulations only apply to the front or does it apply to all sides or certain sides? Guess I've always I've always looked at them as assuming that it's kind of the front or what's visible? Um I don't think we've ever I don't think I don't recall ever applying them to the rear of a building. Yeah, because Yeah, that would be a weird place to require windows. It's just it's been the facades. So yes, but yeah, again, so I guess kind of look at those alongside these. No, we have those and these we have supplementing. Um, so
062the next area that we made changes is landscaping requirements. We had some conversation around the uh minimum tree. Uh this is on subsection two uh street trees and I think there was a consensus that the um 30 feet is fine because it applies to both sides that really means every 60. Um but there was some concern about putting in language that made it clear that we're saying tree should have a we the way it was was trees should have a minimum 50 square feet of permeable area for growth. Uh so I put that in now as a as a minimum and then added the sentence notwithstanding the aforementioned guidelines tree planting including um site and species selection planting practices and early tree care should follow industry recognized best management practices. So just kind of in
063tooling around I found that there are a couple of different ones that seem to be referenced uh like the Arbor Society if that's the correct term um has one. There's a couple of other ones that seem to be cited. So, I figure I'm not I didn't want to call out one. I did see some example regulations that specified one, but I don't know enough to say that's the better one. So, I figure there's recognized best management practices out there. Follow them. And then that's really it other than I found some nicer rain garden examples and I put them in. And that's it. So that's what I did so far. Um, but I can, you know, kind of based on this evening's conversation, I'll have another go at it and bring it back maybe for our
064next meeting. Sounds good. Anybody have anything else? It looks good. All right. Well, thank you, Jay. Absolutely. Appreciate it. I can dive into parking if you'd like. parking. A lot of changes in this one. Yeah. So, I'm gonna start at the end um and then kind of work our way then I'll go back to the beginning and just so you can kind of I made a lot of changes here. Most of those changes we don't need to make. we could make but we don't need to make the ones that um I I I really wanted to highlight that we either have to change um or really really should change is starts on the bottom of page three under multif family residential uh developments. So um the have to change is that state law changed. So,
065it has now limited our ability to require for what we can require for minimum parking. And I will note as a caveat, it could change again because there is another bill pending that will further restrict um or our ability to require more than one parking space per unit. So, and I will say we have more wiggle room here, but the way it is now is that there's all kinds of little caveats, uh, but but essentially, um, developments that are 10 unit multif family developments that are 10 units or more, you can't require more than 1.5 parking spaces per unit. Um, you can for developments that are less than 10 units, but that doesn't make any sense to me. um why would you make small ones have more? Um so I just went straight up with
066the 1.5. I think the only argument I can see towards larger ones requiring less is because you have a you'll the probability of the utilization being at 100% will be lower because you have more people there that may not be using it. So you might have some extra spaces for them to you use for the people who have more vehicle needs. I guess I think that's true and that is a that is an argument. Uh and we also have different requirements for studio and for workforce. So I just went with the straight 1.5. We certainly could vary it. Um proposal here is at three. He said one point Oh, his is at four. He provides a garage space and that is unusual. Most developments don't do that. Yeah. He says that even then three is
067not enough some on some days or four is not enough. As always, it's especially true in any place if people use their garage for stuff, right? That takes away a space. Um but nevertheless, I went with that. We again for smaller developments, we could choose to require more. So that's just something for us to think about. Um and of course again these are minimum requirements. Anyone can provide more parking if they wish. It's just saying what you can't do less than. Yeah. The worst case scenario, we a development won't have a lot of parking and the residents, the people who are looking at potentially living there are going to see there's not a lot of parking and they can decide whether or not they want to live there or not. This is true. Probably just
068discourage people with lots of vehicles. Um I think that's probably true. Well, especially in a community like Lfield, it's it's really unlikely anybody's going to develop to this standard. Realistically, you're not going to you're going to have a hard time renting your unit. Yeah. Even in these types of units, I would definitely expect a good chunk of people to have two vehicles if if you have two adults. Absolutely. And people will not want to rent that unit if they can't have parking for Yeah. I mean, absolutely. But nevertheless again the only place we can require more than 1.5 is for small developments. So we don't have that latitude above. Does that include three bedroomedroom? It there's no it's per unit. Okay. Not per but yeah it doesn't break may need even the probability of them
069needing more than 1.5 is even higher. Right. So, and and again, I didn't the statue has more nuances in it. I just tried to go simple, but we can, you know, we could break it down further if we wished. Uh, the next was changing our dimensional requirements. 9 9 by 18 is a a standard parking space. Um, some places require 10 feet wide. Um, nobody requires a 12t wide parking space. So I why we do only for residential um I don't know. I just took it to nine. It didn't make sense to me. Uh and some of these were changing based on um our experience in reviewing a site plan where we realized that we had parking requirements for multif family that we didn't that we haven't been applying uh because we didn't even realize
070we had them. Um, so that was one of them, the 12 foot wide parking space. Um, how wide they were in the Rose Meadows development? I don't know, but if I would guess, I would guess 10, nine or 10. Uh, again, that's really standard. So, it's just nobody does 12 feet. It's I don't know why or where that came from. So, I just I I propose striking that. Um, also, there's this strange Oops, my battery. Why should my battery be running low and plugged in? Um, I guess I better hurry. Um, so again, there's this adequately sized garages. Um, then there's this in parenthesis minimum by 20, you know, minimum 24 by 20 qualify for required parking. So again, why are we requiring a twocar garage? Either you can have you can have no garage,
071but if you have a garage, it has to be a twocar garage. Uh, that just made no sense. And again, that was something we were not applying. Most townhouse type units have a onecar garage. Um, so I struck that. And then there's this weird where one-way roads less than 24 feet, blah, blah, blah. You can't accommodate. I I don't even know what that is. I took that out. I suggested taking that out. Uh, and again, we can't require more guest parking anyway, so that was weird. Um, and then finally, in the very last sentence, shared driveways are encouraged, particularly for townous. This is a parking section. It's not about driveways. We have another driveway section. So, why having a driveway rag here? It just doesn't make sense. So, I propose taking that out. Um, so
072for the most part, this section is proposing changes to either deal with regulations that we have that we haven't been applying um or complying with statutory change. The next paragraph is basically almost verbatim out of statute. This was another change that required um that we consider alternative parking solutions. Um, I think this is a oddly worded requirement. Um, so I didn't really try to paraphrase. I just said just took it out of the statute and said this is what we're required to do. Um, it is a alternative that will is really aimed at urban areas. And essentially what this would be is if there's public parking, you can say, "What are we going to bust people in?" Yeah. Um, the only place where I could see this actually applying is in one of these mixeduse
073developments where somebody's proposing uh shared commercial residential parking under the argument that there'll be an offset. Um, that could be a scenario we see this, but this isn't something that can really I think will come into play, but it's mandatory. It's in statute. So, I just stuck it in there verbatim. Yeah, it definitely doesn't seem to be a thing that will matter much to Lichfield. I don't think so. So, everything else, there's a whole lot of changes I suggested and we might want to go down this road. We might not. But there's just a couple of themes that you may have picked up on if you went through the tediousness of actually going through this, which I don't expect that anybody did. Uh so the two themes are one trying to make it our regs
074simpler um and something that you can actually apply. In almost every case, we have requirements in there that say you need so many spaces per square foot or per this or whatever, plus one space for every employee on the largest shift, which is something that we most of the time will never know and can never regulate and can never follow up on. We just don't know. The number of employees changes. Um, most of the times we see a commercial building proposed, as we saw tonight, where they don't have a tenant yet. So, it's just not enforceable. My preference is go by X number of parking spaces per square foot or per whatever, but something that you can objectively determine when the site plan's proposed. So, I suggested striking that any based on employee in almost
075every case, not every case. Um the other thing is is in looking at the parking requirements for a lot of communities, our parking requirements are really high. Uh in some cases they're really really high and uh they're up to four times higher in some cases than what you see in other communities. Uh and it doesn't make sense. So, um, what I tried to do was look at the parking requirements for kind of several surrounding communities and try to get a consensus. Uh, sometimes that's hard to do um because most towns also do not have parking requirements nearly as detailed as we do. We have parking standards for almost everything that you can think of and we have parking standards for things that are never gonna have an inlet field. So some of them I try
076I struck I could probably strike more. So that's kind of the overriding themes. I I wasn't going to go um blow by blow. Um I mean starting with farm stands and nurseries. One of the things I also tried to do is make them more consistent. What you're going to find is is that most um most of the commercial requirements in here are going to boil down to one parking space per 250 ft. Um so that's really kind of one of the things you saw consistently. So even farm stands and nurseries I added and 50 square feet. And again that's because that's what I'm finding is really common. The other advantage of having more consistency is um it means that when you change the use of a building or a unit, which is common, the same
077parking space requirement is probably going to apply to whoever comes in there next, making life for everyone a whole lot easier. Um so I tried to do that everywhere. In some places I I didn't and I might even come back to it again. I wasn't going to go through all of these, but as I go down and you kind of glance through them, you can see that um that consistent theme of striking the employee and just keeping it where it was because it was high enough where it was. Um I did change some again just kind of trying to see where the trends are. theaters and auditoriums, for example, I doubled to six um spaces and in part um that was again that was just consistent. If people want to ask me about any of
078these, stop me as I go. Um but I think it's the same themes that kind of went through here. swimming facilities. You know, that's just another example of a really weird standard of 70 one space per 75 square feet of gross water area. Yeah, I don't want to calculate that. Um, so nevertheless, I mean, that's that's just kind of the theme. I'm trying to see if there's a couple of others that really jumped out at me. Um, yeah, grocery store was one one space per 100 square feet is one of those. That's a tremendous requirement for a grocery store. I guess that's probably one thing that discourages businesses from opening grocery stores. Yeah. I mean, exactly. When you think the size of a typical grocery store, that's just a vast field of of parking. Yeah.
079And vast fields are undesirable. They are undesirable. So, so I, you know, again, I almost kind of similar to that theme I mentioned before, that 200 one space per 250 ft is pretty much the theme that you see through here. Um, trying to think if there's anything else. Again, some of these we're probably never going to see a real hospital. Um, but hey, maybe maybe it will. So, I left it in. Um, bus terminal. I just took that out. We're never going to have a bus terminal. I mean, not going to add it back, but that's just one of those. It's never going to happen. I don't think we'll ever have a marina either, but I did, you know, think that one can probably go. I left it in unless the river floods. Unless the
080river floods. Um, and then we have a line in here. AG. Um, and that was and other commercial uses. So, that's just where I added multi-tenant shopping centers and other commercial uses. And again, I just said that's going to be the way we have it now is per thousand. So, I just said four per thousand. Again, that's the 250. And what that means is is that if you have a multi- um tenant shopping center, you have a standard for that center. As those uses change, they don't have to come back to the planning board. They can just change unless they're categorically changing to like a restaurant, in which case that's got a very different standard. Um but it's just multi-tenant shopping centers need to be able to change their tenants pretty readily. So I think
081one standard makes sense. Um I kept in the standards after that for schools. I honed taking it out. Um because certainly these regulations don't apply to public schools. The only place they would apply is private schools, but actually we do have a private school. So I left it in. Um yeah, regarding schools, um like I've I've seen some of the schools in our town in like like St. Francis for example, the parking is very very underutilized and it's utilized a lot of it's utilized for recreational space. It's blocked off from cars. That I could see that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with um the school building for the charter schools, the the for science and design in Ashawa. They acquired they recently moved buildings and the it's a huge former office building that they changed to
082a school. Yeah. And it's way more parking than they need. um the off the whatever office regulation from the 1970s is way more than is necessary for a a a school. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I know. I know that's cool. Uh so again, we can take we can take a look at these further, but that's that's kind of the theme. I'm trying to see if there's something else out there. Oh, you have daycare center. We do have daycare. So daycare was an example of where I did leave it in per employee. And the reason I did is because for a daycare center that's really that's who's parking. I mean it's the employees and how big they are really varies and most of our daycare are home daycare. Um again that could change. So, I did leave
083it in this case um because you're going to know what you're going to know the number of uh employees because state law governs the ratios and so you're you're going to know what that is. So, that one I left in. And how big how many children do daycare centers typically service or take care of? Oh, they can vary widely. I mean, like the the YMCA in Marramac has an enormous daycare center. I mean, there's certainly at least a couple hundred kids there. I think there's more than that. So, I wonder So, the one I proposed is 4,800 square feet. It wouldn't be that many kids. Yeah, definitely. You couldn't fit that many in, but it would it would certainly be a decent number of kids. I mean, be, you know, far more than a home
084daycare square foot job. 30 to 50. Yeah. Yeah. That would be really tight and there will be employees. Make money if you didn't use Yeah. get that many kids in. So, yeah, if we say there are 24 kids and we would need um four parking spaces plus one for every employee, which is that's probably like six Yeah. parking spots. It's not a lot at all. It's not a lot on the age of ages of the children. So for younger children, you need more more staff. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then Yeah. The main challenge point is the hours when parents are dropping and dropping off and getting their kids. Um and I don't know how many do at the same time. Worst case scenario, you end up with a line Worst case scenario, you wind
085up in line and you want to be able to accommodate that line. Um, with with daycare, there's usually a window. Everybody doesn't come at one time like public schools or regular schools, right? There's an actual start time and an end time. Horrible lines, right? Usually, it's uh, well, you have to pick up your kid by six and some are picking them up at 4 or anywhere in between. So you could have your peak times, but it's going to be more staggered than in a regular school and you're usually not staying long. So is So are we doing separation of church and stays? Is that why churches was crossed out? Yes, we can no longer regulate them. So, uh, yeah, we can't specify how many parking spaces if a church, if someone wants to build a
086church, we can't specify that they need so much parking. We can't require them to come to site review. Does that include non-church uses within the same building? Well, that's an arguable point. We would have to decide whether or not it's a religious use. What about like St. Francis, for example? the school part portion is that religious use if it's a Catholic school. I would have to I would probably want to get another opinion on that. I don't think I want to decide that right now. Yeah. But I would assume that like St. Francis the school we would regulate them and they have come in for site plan review. Um we have the other church there tabernacle. Tabernacle. Yes. Yes. But at this point, my understanding is churches are exempt from site plan. But is that
087is that new? Because we did we did a church about 10 years ago over in London area and they built it from scratch. And I'll double check, but yeah. Um I I think it's it was a couple of years ago that there was a change in statute. Um, and there's just been a case uh that I read about today or yesterday, um, where a town issued a cease and desist order to a church for failure to get sight glimmer view and that was struck down. Um, I would imagine though that, well, I mean, this is beside the point, but I would imagine that they'd want to be good neighbors and, you know, with traffic flow and everything else, it's a, you know, it's a communal effort. Oh, I would I would think so. And again,
088I mean, if we're concerned, you're saying we can't dictate it, I guess, is what you're saying. Yeah. I mean, I I don't mind putting it back in. Um, but yeah, end of the day, if somebody wants to open up a church, we're not going to be able to tell them they can't recommendations. Instead of saying specifically churches, can we say audit? It's like an auditorium basically. Yeah. Nonprofit education, something along the lines that it falls into the same bucket. Well, and and for in that regard, schools as well, you know what I mean? Yes. What we can do? Well, schools, I think we just we've got to stand up for schools. So, I I think we keep that. So, what we could do because it's a good point. If we're going to bring church put
089churches back in, we wouldn't want to call them churches anyway. Um because that's rather worship. That is rather limiting. But we have another places of worship. We have a another I suppose someone could put um um or a room within their area or home or whatever and then that would yeah dictate that we would want. Yeah. So we we have um E on page one which is private clubs or function halls. We could expand that to be private clubs, function halls, places of gathering, etc. Places of gathering. Yes. And then All right, I'll put that in there. Yeah, private clubs, function halls, or other places of gatherings. That's I like that. Such as a town hall meeting room. You can require life and safety, by the way. So that is still everything. So we don't
090have that. We don't have to follow the municipality doesn't Yeah, we don't have to follow those rules. So that's it. Um obviously, you know, people might want to take a closer look. I'll make that change. Um, and I'll dive a little more into the see if we want to do a little more breaking up of the multif family residential requiring more parking where we can. I could do that. And otherwise, that's it. Can I ask a question on golf courses? Sure. I probably don't have the answer. Uh, not the part that you changed or anything, but the the four spaces per hole plus 50% of the space otherwise required for any accessory use. Right. Is that what you're referencing? Like the the clubhouse? Yes. Okay. Got it. So, if there's retail in there, a restaurant,
091things like that. Yeah. A function room that people rent out for like weddings or whatever. All right. That's what I thought. I just double check. We have automobile wash facilities. I think we're have the the I believe the gas station is going to have a No. Or are they changing that? Oh, okay. Yeah, they're not. There's other things I thought of taking out. I I don't see Well, one that's kind of archaic language, but it is what it is. M tennis and other raet ball or handball courts that have a pickle ball. Oh, yeah. Maybe pickle ball has a different requirement because it's a higher, you know, higher occupancy load. There you go. I wonder if that's out there. I thought about taking out laundromats because I can't see anybody putting a laundromat in, but
092I didn't. What about storage units? Do you have storage units? Uh, we do. Mini Mini warehouse. Yep. Mini warehouse. It really is. Yeah. So, again, we, you know, we might want to take a look at it, think about it. Um, I'll make a couple of tweaks to this and we can look at it again. Um, we should probably hold off on doing anything final um until we see what passes the legislature on residential parking because if that changes, but that's going to be June any, you know, that'll be happening within the next six weeks anyway. So, or sooner. Uh, well, the bill those bills passed the house, so they're now So they're in the Senate. So um we should know soon. So do you want a work session on the 20th, May 20th or or
093not? We'll move it to June. Do we have anything on that? Uh conceptual gas station. So we could do the 20th or we could do June. Why don't we do June because well unless we feel that we want to move more quickly on the But you won't know if the mixed use on the mixed use. Yeah, let's let's do it. Let's put it on. We can't enforce it if he brings it to us before we enact it. That's right. So, we we could certainly do that then and we could we could hold we could do the um mixeduse guidelines on the 20th and then we could maybe hold off on parking until June and see what happens. That makes sense. Well, thank you very much for Absolutely. Um, so that brings us to committee reports.
094Any reports from any committees? Jay, did you want to talk about Thursday? Thursday. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, I'm not sure who has signed up, but uh we do have our annual forum Thursday at Lebell Winery at 5:30. Our cocktail hour starts at 5:30. Dinner starts at 6:30. Program is at 710. And our focus is housing. And I think we've got a good lineup. Data heavy. Should have had a builder in there. We we actually thought about that and we were we were working with the builder and then we ultimately wound up not getting the builder. But yeah, I we thought about that because what you know could say, well, why aren't you building these? And they would say density. Yeah, I know. Um we had a lot of back and forth on that because we
095also know there's going to be a lot of um you know people from the legislature there. We know that there's very strong views. there's a lot of legislation out there and so we were kind of no conflicts you want to avoid this fight you you don't want I mean it's good to have some level of interest and controversy and discussion um so but we um yeah we thought we thought about that and planning board members and select board members and so it's it'll be an interesting balance but yeah we we that was definitely on our Um CIP uh the capital improvement uh committee met last night. Um we had a bunch of interviews of potential candidates for a citizens rep. Um so uh we're going to see where that goes. Um not much to report
096on capital improvement committee. I think we finalized sort of close to finalizing the schedule and um we didn't have a forum so we really couldn't vote on anything last night but um we'll be uh pushing forward I think um in I believe June um conservation commission meeting was last week last Thursday in town hall I attended the the end of it it was the fastest meeting though. It was a very fast meeting. Yes. I was I was surprised the vice chairman was leaving town. Right. Exactly. Um and I know the lower Marramac Local River Advisory Committee. I did receive an email. They are looking for a new chair to the committee and I think they're going to be having a meeting at some point. Uh they go check my email, but um I think we're
097going to be meeting at some point uh to discuss that. And that's all I have. Um Jay, you're on the um economic development committee. Is any updates on that or I So I was the last meeting um for this month was cancelled. Okay. Uh I haven't been able to go to all the meetings, but my understanding is the focus is now just on developing the final report uh for the SLA. That was my understanding. Okay. Um you're on energy. Yep. energy. We got cancelled last week, so should be next month. Okay. Anything from the board of select? Uh, no, really. We had a long discussion with Renee and uh Mr. Shabano about the gas station and the sidewalk and crosswalk and um on that note, nothing really to report. I think that's all I have.
098Um, approval of the April 15, 2025 minutes. I did have a piece of correspondence in there. I think we put it before the minutes specifically for Letha. Did you see it? Uh, let me check. Hold on. The alteration of terrain for Liberty Utilities that Oh, okay. Can we do that under um any other business? Well, yeah, we don't really have to do anything. I just put it there forformational. Yeah, why don't we do that? Well, let's take the minutes first and then I'll I'll let Letha, if you want to chime in on that on any other business, we'll certainly do that. Um, did anybody have an opportunity to take a look at those? Have any questions? Yeah. uh for the April 15th. I think um the one note that I think should probably be included
099is um after um Mr. Ganon note made the comment about the townhouse development with just a daycare could Do you know what page you're on? Yes, that is page seven, paragraph, fifth one, not including the end of the sentence of the okay prior page where Mr. Ganon noted that placing a business such as a daycare in the center of a 200 townhouse development could technically meet zoning requirements. However, such a demographic might strain local resources, especially schools. This could lead to higher tax over time, undermine the school district's goals of encouraging small business growth, promoting affordable housing, and reducing tax burdens. I think after that, we we commented on that and mentioned that uh the ordinance specifically requires the um fiscal impact study. So, I think we should Oh, put that included in in that
100section. Okay. You know, if you read this, you may not realize that the ordinance addresses or tries to address it. Yeah. you specifically called that out that there is an ordinance that addresses a Yeah. concern. Okay. So, yeah, include that the board commented like we could have wording like the board remember that. Yeah. Yeah. The wording could be like the board commented that uh the ordinance uh requires a fiscal impact study that should help prevent the situation or something like that. That's that's the only uh change I noticed was necessary. Anybody have anything else that they saw? Uh, does anyone want to entertain a motion to approve the April 15 minutes as amended? So moved. I have a motion by Jared. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Russ. Any further discussion? Right. Take
101a vote. All those in favor of approving the April 15, 2025 minutes of the planning board, please signify by saying I. I. I. Those opposed? Anybody abstaining? I abstain. Okay. So motion passes. One, two, three, four, five, 60. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh, any other business? Uh, so you said you there was something I'm sorry in the portal. Just a correspondence from um New Hampshire dees regarding Okay. Liberty Utilities uh alteration of terrain permit. Okay. Uh Letha, did you want to Yeah. No, I mean I it seemed I didn't talk about it. I did see it. Jen, thank you for putting it in here. Um, you know, it just reiterates the the not disturbing endangered species, that sort of thing. Um, but it doesn't get to the heart of a lot of our questions. Yeah.
102And I don't I don't know as they'll be back. Are they going to go to the selectman or a little bit of utilities? I think they're working all in the right way until they get to where they're going to cross. Then they're not in the rightway, right? And then they're going to be in private property. private property and a big wetland area. Yeah. I mean, my suggestion is it's in our best interest to invite them back if they don't if they don't uh suggest coming back. I say we invite them and strongly encourage them to. Yeah, they probably ask questions and reiterate that for instance, the disturbing of terrain. Well, again, what does that mean in your world? when you rip it up. And you know, their response was, "Oh, we put it back exactly
103as it was before." Yeah, they do have to apply for a wetlands permit, which I don't think they've done yet. They're going to only come back probably if they're required to an extra cost. So, I'll ask Scott Town administrator if she's heard if they're they have plans on coming back before at least the board selectman. I still don't I I I still question whether um you know I I I know it's 3A. I understand the pinch points in there. They're going on private property and that really it's out of our control or so it's been made to for us to believe. But I I don't I don't think so. It's going through the heart of our town. So, you know, we should be able to dictate what what we're willing to work with them on
104and what we'd like to see changed, even if it's a small thing here or there. Um so, um I would just like to keep them honest through this process. So, With the disruptions comes some kind of nicity back to our town. No, I think that's I agree. Okay. Well, thank you and uh obviously we'll get kept posted on what's going on with this. Certainly uh town administrator probably knows bit more about that maybe can provide some insight. Anything else to Jay? Do you have anything? Well, I did find the statute on religious use if you guys want me to read it. Why not? So, it is uh it it passed in 2022. It's RSA 67476. It's not as straightforward as one might like, but religious use of land and structures. No zording zoning ordinance or
105site plan review regulation shall prohibit, regulate, or restrict the use of land or structures primarily used for residential purposes. Provided, however, that such land rest structures may be subject to objective and definite regulations concerning the height of structures, yard sizes, lot area, setbacks, open space, and building coverage requirements. As long as said requirements are applicable regardless of the religious or non-religious nature of the use of property and do not substantially burden religious exercise. So if we want to uh regulate the parking of a church, it should be not just church but any structure like a church. No, I don't get that. I get that the only things we can regulate are height of structures, yard sizes, lot area, setbacks, open space, and building coverage. Yeah. So yeah, no parking and but what's the What's the
106emphasis on the residential there? I find that interesting. What do you mean? That there in one of your passages that one of the sentences it mentioned residential. Yeah, it did. Yeah, I thought so. I never spoke then. I heard that. I was going to say, does that mean I can put um a chapel in one side of my house and get a tax exempt? No, it it would be religious. So, it's it's Maybe I'll do that. It I might have misspoke. It's um structures primarily used for religious purposes. So perhaps not residential. Sorry. Religious. Yeah. That's it. Okay. Very good. Now you know, right? So yeah, it makes sense to leave out of the parking or out of the parking regulations then. Yeah. Okay. Uh Joan, do you have anything else this? No, I do
107not. Anybody else have anything else this even? Okay. Well, I would uh at this time entertain a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Need a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Travis. Any further discussion? All right. All those in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Those opposed. Motion passes 700. Thank you for joining us this evening. Um and We will see you on May 20th. Have a good night.