001okay good evening everybody Welcome to the March 18th 2025 uh meeting of the Lichfield planning board would you all please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right I'll start with the Roll Call of members Michael crto chair Geral conell Vice chair Russell Blanchett member Jesse no alternate Lea Riley member thank you well good evening everybody and with us this evening is Jam mon Cara from nrpc welcome and uh we have Joan McKim administrator um looks like we um we do have a quorum but we don't have a full board uh I Know Travis is not with us this evening and I understand that
002Jeremy is not going to be with us this evening and and I we don't have our ex deficio member uh here as well uh so Jesse since you're an alternate would you be interested in um voting in Travis's place tonight yes okay so that will complete that um any input on non agenda items this evening items not listed on the agenda for this evening because anybody from the public have anything for non-agenda items okay hearing none I will close public in put on non-agenda items um the first order of business this evening is a home occupation application uh public hearing for inhome child care at 18 Laurel Street hours of operation Monday through Friday 6:30 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. applicant owner Kayla rendo is that how you said and is the applicant here y so
003why don't you folks come you can have a seat at the table introduce yourselves to the board okay hi my name is is Kaya Rondo I am 26 and I am proposing an inh home daycare of my own um I will preface this by saying I'm very passionate about it I'm also very nervous because I've never done anything like this so and it means a lot okay well welcome thank you um so this is a home occupation um our um rules uh or basically our requirements for all home occupations um are listed in uh section 5040 one um for General requirements um basically a through C so there's no additions or changes shall be made to the residents that will make it impractical to revert the building to purely residential use traffic generated by home
004occupation shall not create safety hazards or be substantially greater in volume than would normally expected in the neighborhood and home occupation shall have a maximum area of 500 square F feet uh you should have all received uh folks uh an application um for the applicant um so what I just read out to you basically is um the general requirements for home occupation um it looks like you um is this is going to be at 18 Laurel Street in Lichfield um and is it just going to be yourself uh working this daycare or are you going to have other people just just yourself M okay and you have um 500 squ ft devoted to the business looks like um there's also a map I believe that's attached to the application just so everyone knows um everybody
005have an opportunity to take a look at that um pretty straightforward and parking provision so you're looking for five spaces or provision for part five vehicles is that yep okay correct um and you're look saying the trip travel uh traffic trips will be generated will be 30 per week and you have uh two um you have external lighting I guess you have two sets of external lighting correct okay and there will be no sign requested for this correct nope yes okay and then there is no currently no home occupation uh on that site my understanding okay all right um Joan it looks like all the application fee has been paid yes okay um I don't think do we notify a butters for this our Butters were not so our Butters have been notified okay um
006typically do we want to do um do do we typically accept application for completeness for the home occupation or is that um typically not for the home I didn't think so yeah no I haven't done one of these in a while um okay so I guess um does anybody on the board have any questions for the applicant uh before we go any further so how many um children are you planning on or from unrelated families are you planning on having there six total okay so you have six total and um I think you said 30 vehicle um per per week right okay that is that for because it's going to be two trips right some of them are siblings okay yeah so yeah that'll reduce the number of vehicle trips um like the worst case
007scenario you end up with people from entirely different families right right exactly yeah um arriving five days a week which would be probably more than the amount on the application right a quick math on that I don't know if that matters were some of the children your children of of the six yes yes two of them are my own children four right so that reduce his Transportation load yeah I mean I think it's uh important to note too we also live on a dead end so there's not really traffic coming from the opposite side it would really just be the one way in one way out kind of thing yeah I think worst case scenario end up yeah that that works one thing I forgot I don't know if you told me when you applied
008did the fire department already come to the home yes yep so I got approval from the fire department the health form is already approved as well um I think it's important to note I also um have a representative with the state of New Hampshire because I planned if this is approved to be licensed through the state of New Hampshire um so that is already in the process and I do have her approval as well that was actually going to be my next question first off you know thank you for wanting to um you know enter the profession we don't have enough you know child care I appreciate that I totally do yeah my question was going to be what you know you're credentialing and yeah yeah so I'm actually credentialed in the state of New
009Hampshire as um a teacher already with um infant and toddler endorsements I hold an associates degree in early childhood education um I think my best form of experience is becoming a mother myself I have two young kids um so this is kind of how I plan to stay home with them um and still bring in some income as well ni yeah the uh Lichfield requirements will require you to um get all the um applicable licensing requirements from the state of New Hampshire and the dep Department of Health and Human Services child care licensing unit the New Hampshire Child Care Li program licensing rules and regulations and all that stuff right yeah already done awesome I mean I am a CPR certified first aid certified I even got water safety certified so we could do water
010play um like I said I'm very passionate about it and it means a lot to me so I tried to make sure I had everything done for tonight and you will need to submit a copy of the license annually to um the town okay that is a requirement of the um home occupation sure so most of the I mean most of the traffic will be from probably in early in the morning right yeah and drop off and pickup times do vary you know what I mean like some kids would come closer to 900 some get dropped off at 700 you know everybody has a different work schedule so it's not like there'd be more than two vehicles at a time so to speak speak yeah likely won't be generating a lot of traffic right right
011I think the school bus generates more traffic than I would you know um and how much time are you planning on having outdoors with the kids I think that would probably be when neighbors would be most concerned right yeah so um typically it's like once a day I mean in the warmer weather I would shoot for like once in the morning once postn kind of thing um the other thing that is important to know not too and I might be squealing on myself a little bit right now we don't have a fenced in yard um I did get approval U from the state as well that as soon as the ground is thawed which happened faster than I assumed it would um a fence will be going in yeah yeah it is a requirement that
012it has to be fenced if there is an outdoor player yeah right so as of yet um there's really no action out there uh but eventually yes perfect can I ask a question absolutely so some of the questions around the the six kids um I just want to make sure that you understand I heard that two of them are yours some of them are siblings but we have to look at it as those six could be from all different families and that's F you know it's fine um it's just with that in mind my next question is I you know as it stands right now are a lot of those families um uh are they going to make the six o'clock time in the evening for pickup or will it be the type of thing
013where um it would be an exception not a rule where you know parents work late a lot um some come from Boston do you you know where I'm going so um I've thought a little bit of of further ahead as well so I would Implement a policy like a late a late fee type policy um as I stated before I do have two young kiddos of my own um and they go to bed at 7:00 so I really do need um the people in my home to be gone by 6:00 and like I said if that isn't applicable then they will be charged a late fee and I would hope that that would deter the behavior um you know I can't speak for everybody but that's my hope sure do we need to do anything
014on the application itself to accommodate potential late hours due to a person staying late because obviously that would be the exception not the rule right right yeah and that's it's not in our regulations so um you I mean I if you want in the approval um you could say approximate and that might be okay yeah it's less strict than it is with like full applications for right site plans and stuff like that right because of course there are times yeah right life my kids in child care I mean that that that happens yeah and do you do you envision pick up and drop off do you envision parents bringing their kids in or them waiting in the car and the kids being brought out oh no they have to come in that's not safe I
015wouldn't leave other children unattended no and it wasn't necessarily a reflection of that it was more from the the I'm I'm sorry wasn't clear on my question but I'm trying to understand from a n like like if I were a neighbor sure you know is there going to be a backup of cars you know um because say you you're queuing like you do at a SK school right you know what I mean I don't I wouldn't anticipate that just because it is such a small setting of children um and then again our driveway is rather large we could fit a a decent amount of cars I mean more than the children that would be attending um but I I don't so you would Envision it sounds like people Inc coming and going from your home
016as if they were your relatives type right yeah yeah more or less yeah thank you yeah thank you anything else uh Jay anything you want to add uh no it seems to meet the requirements okay thank you um well at this time I'll open up to public comment any members of the public wish to comment on the application for home occupation this applicant right can I ask a question though yeah well just a moment let me um um okay so I guess we don't have any public comment so I'll close public comment and I'll bring it back to you where you can ask question do your neighbors know you're doing this yes yeah support yeah yeah so my grandfather has been a resident there for my entire life they all know they all love him
017so that did Aid my case a little bit um but yeah before the abutters list went out my son and and I walked around and we introduced ourselves to everybody and let them know what we were trying to do that way they could see my face instead of just reading a piece of paper about me yeah that's good practice thank you glad to hear that like I said like it's I'm very passionate I really really want this so good neighbors are always a good we're grateful that's for sure and I mean how can you be upset when you see like a a line of little 2-year-olds waddling down the street you know like they just bring Smiles it's it's [Laughter] wholesome I'm sorry Mr chair no no no that's okay and how many uh did
018you say how many children would have in the um be taken care of is it um is there a fixed number or do you know so with the state um you you have to follow different ratios and that's calculated by ages so you add all the ages in the room and then divide it by the number of children and that's how you get the ratio um primarily I'm looking to do like preschool age that way I could have the six children there and the ratio would be met okay okay um don't know if there's any other questions um I guess so we have the home occupation we have our uh regulations for approval um what would the board like to do uh we can certainly conditionally approve wants to make a motion there any conditions
019that we no does chairman I make a motion that we approve this home occupation okay so I have a a motion on the table by uh Russ a second I have a second by uh Lea any further discussion okay we'll take a vote all those in favor of the home occupation permit application for the applicant Kayla Renda at 18 Laurel Street Lichfield New Hampshire please signify by saying I I I those opposed anybody abstaining all right motion passes 5 thank you okay like you're all s okay good luck you good luck I I'll um email you a copy okay I appreciate it [Music] thank you [Music] guys okay next on the agenda is an application public hearing for subdivision and two lot line adjustments owners are David and Linda sperberg tax map 3 Lot 29
020119 Charles bankr Highway Brian Ward and Kayla Flanigan map 3 lot 38 nine Talent Road Scott McConnell and Janine sperberg map 3 lot 43 11 Talent Road um purposes to adjust the lot lines between Lots 29 and 38 creating a 2.04 lot and lot at lot 38 nine Talent Road simultaneously subdivide adjusted Lot 29 into three lots two New Lots fronting on Talent Road the original Lot 29 will remain fronting at 119 Charles Bank rockt Highway if the aformentioned subdivision application is accepted notice is hereby expended to application approval consideration and or continuations to a date certain as required is the applicant present proceeding yes I am and could the applicate introduce himself to the board thank you Mr chair my name is Pete Matson uh senior project engineer at ke Norm Associates okay good
021evening and welcome back uh I believe the last time you were here um we did have an issue because um we could not accept the application for completeness given there was an issue with the mail and not all of the uh Butters had been notified um so I guess I'll turn to Joan Joan uh did new uh butter notices go out and have all the butters been notified for this application yes new new notices went out on um March I can't read what it is March 7th I think it is um okay they've all been notified and fees have been paid and all fees have been paid okay thank you um and obviously Jay you've had an opportunity to uh review all of the plans for this application um and all we I believe the
022applicant has met all the requirements for the application for completeness yes okay um okay uh and I'm going to assume there is no Regional impact for this project um all right so we have uh an application um it looks like all Fe a butter is notified at this time and um it looks like um all of the um submissions have been submitted and they look uh to be um um accepted um so I would ask the board to uh entertain a motion to accept the application for its completeness if they so desire so moved okay I have a motion by Russ second I have a second by Jared any further discussion all those in favor of the motion for the application of completeness please signify by saying I I those opposed abstained motion passes uh
0235 Okay so we've accepted the application for completeness um maybe you can just give us um I know you kind of talked about it last time uh but maybe just give us an overview of what you're proposing to do with this application for subdivision so I'll give it the floor to you so absolutely thank you Mr chair uh like I said pmads and senior project engineer at ke Nordstrom I know I kind of went over things last time I think we might have some new faces here so I'll keep it short I think it's pretty straightforward here what we're doing uh so the parent parcel is a little over 9 and 1 half acres um and basically there's three parts of this one we're looking to subdivide the parent parcel into three lots two new
024lots and those New Lots are uh both a little over an acre and a half so they're um sized for duplexes uh the next part uh is parcel a which is in pink there and that's just going to be deeded back to lot um in front of it and then the same thing with parcel B in yellow just deed to the lot in front of that as well um it's important to note both of these uh New Lots are going to be on individual septic and Municipal Water and driveways off a talent road so with that I'll turn it back over to you guys thanks okay thank you um anybody have any questions for the applicant um I know um in Jay's report there were a couple of things that were missing last time and
025I think those some of those have at my understanding have been addressed uh for example section 510 00g the bar scale needed to be provided on the plan I has that been done yes okay um and section 53.00 D the Wetland area for proposed lot 29-2 indicated in the lot area table that seems to have been addressed yes sir um section 53.00 I note 13 addresses stumps but does not indicate whether they will be disposed of on or offsite um and this should have been specified I assume that was addressed I guess there was a note number 13 that addresses that um section 53.00 L um a letter from penchuk uh stating the availability of water and the intent to provide service to the lot should it be uh should that be provided um is
026that been done or is that in the process of so that's the one outstanding item it's in process one outstanding okay so that that is on its way yes they're tough to get a hold of I've sent a couple emails so hopefully soon okay great and section 53.00 W reference to the flood plane Wetland and aquafer conservation districts added to the plan note four that has also been addressed I understand okay okay um so we'll probably want uh when we approve this we'll probably want it add that condition for the letter for Penny yes absolutely yep makes sense and has the um has there been anything from the fire department did they talk to you at all or did anybody anything I have not heard anything nothing okay I'm just curious um okay um and
027if there is a thing here I guess um Legends have been amended what is that yeah so so basically they were just some conflicting line types um on the actual plan view versus The Legend So those Just got cleaned up so they were the uh the 150 foot Woodland buffer was added to the plan okay all right Jay is there anything else that uh or is there anything you would like to add I think they they've addressed all the concerns I was going to say it's pretty straightforward it actually feels a little complicated just because there's a lot going on but really it is end of the day it's taking two existing Lots making them larger and creating two additional Lots so it really is fairly straightforward okay bless you sorry okay the fire department
028did um send an email about these Street numbers and that was the only thing they said oh that's right okay what did they say um lot 29-1 will be number five 29-2 will be number seven on Talent Road and that's actually been added to the plan it's right under the text for the proposed Lots okay all [Music] right and um all I assume all proposed deeds and um easements have been um I guess addressed um um for the application yeah we I don't know that we've submitted anything but they will be submitted prior to final okay okay anybody other anything else um if there's nothing else at this time I'll open it up to public comment is there any members of the public uh here this evening that wish to comment on this application the
029only thing if we have a chance okay so um what I'm going to ask is you folks will have to come forward uh you're going to have to introduce yourself uh to the board uh state your name and address and then um obviously you can provide calling so the folks at home can hear you through the microphone yes yes maret appearance six Talent Road so we live across the street from where this project is and last um time the last meeting in the beginning of March that was rescheduled we were here and even though you didn't have the meeting um he was kind enough to go over all the plans for us in the hallway so we did get a chance to see that and we did speak to the homeowner she did come over
030and tell us what was going on and explain what was happening there um and so at this point we didn't see any problems with it okay good okay well thank you very much thank you anybody else have anything they want to add for public comment this evening regarding this application okay well seeing none uh at this time I am going to close public input on this application I'll bring it back uh to the board I guess what is the will of the board but would board want to conditionally approve this um subdivision application um this with the obviously the condition of the pen check letter and I think also I would make uh as condition of approval that um the um deeds and uh any Deeds covenants or um easements be uh submitted prior to
031final um approval is that a standard requirement well it's not a standard requirement but we can make it a condition I think I mean it makes sense I mean because they have to provide it um it's part of the application process did so but what about that condition would be our our interest well I I think it's just that um they have to I think what it is is they have to provide the information that um everything is sort of updated in terms of the deeds and restrictions and Covenants and just it's just a formality um well and it shows that it transferred into those subdivided Lots as we have approved right exactly so that it makes sense to it's as a part of the the process okay for there thank you okay so with
032that in mind would anyone want to entertain a motion if there's any other conditions that you want to add certainly let me know um if not we can approve it if that's so will the board I think it's pretty standard um application so letter from penchuk um how should we word the deed one a copy of any Deeds easements or covenants submitted to the town yeah Deeds or covenants right is there any applicable Deeds covenants or deeds for all property associated associated with specifically with the properties um restrictions or Covenant yeah easement or covenants yeah right um that any other conditions um just a standard conditions just standard conditions of approval okay so I'll make a motion to conditionally um approve the uh subdivision and lot line adjustment for map 3 Lots 29 38 and
03343 um with the conditions being that a letter from penchuk water um um for the intent to service be provided uh copy of any Deeds or covenants associated with the application or easement Deeds coven covs or e e easements uh associated with the application be provided and the standard conditions of approval and I think um since there's there's a state is there a state perit or is that pending uh yeah there's a because these are on individual septics there will there will be a state permit for so I guess follow all condition that you know they follow that's actually in the standard is is it standard okay I just want to make sure got it okay yes it is okay thank you I think my motion is complete okay so I have a motion by
034Jared with those conditions um do I have a second to the motion second okay I have a second by Russ any further discussion okay all right I'll take a vote all those in favor of the application uh for this subdivision um for the two lot line adjustments um please signify by saying I I I those opposed abstained motion passes 500 okay thank you for your time thank you thank you all right very good thank you okay I love that neighbors were talking that's a good thing yes we like to hear that it's great thank you for taking the time to explain to them last time too that's very helpful [Music] thanks guys have a good night thank you uh next item on the agenda number three is a planning board workshop and I guess I'll
035turn it over to Mr monara so I don't have too much I think last time we kind of brainstormed and there was a whole lot of different stuff uh that we talked about potentially um looking at parking is one of them one of the things I'd like to do is just come up with some suggested changes for parking there were a few things that we talked about there um you know one accommodating multi-use sites which we really don't do well um some of our categories are inconsistent we had some you know rather strange requirement of two garage spaces and multif family so there were some odd things there and the think also we noted and had actually handed out last time there were changes uh to state law regarding parking I will say whatever we
036do now I think is um tentative because there are more changes coming I think if everybody's been watching just in just in general um we don't typically start looking at our zoning until later in the season um summer or fall or early fall but um there's a lot I think to keep our eyes on that we may wind up being addressing I I should just jump back a little bit but I think as we all know um the zoning amendments did all pass so we will get everybody um revised uh reg you we'll give you the whole packet revised because it'll also include the storm water um so that led to again there's a lot of things that we could do and a lot of things that to talk about um I kind of dove
037into the uh design guidelines just a little bit and I thought that maybe we could throw out some thoughts today and if things make sense I could try and take a stab at putting something together so to to get there I just started looking around to of course to see what are some other good examples that are out there that would might be applicable to us I will say it was harder than I thought um we do have you know as I mentioned before some design standards which I I think are reasonable but probably could be tweaked what I found is is that most of the guidelines that I found or the standards related to town centers Village traditional Village Etc were either uh for historic districts or they were for those very traditional historic
038New England Town centers that we don't really have uh so I saw a fair amount of that um and you know I looked mainly for New Hampshire examples didn't see as many as I'd want although there are some that are out there and then I saw some Massachusetts examples so I thought do is just touch on a couple of things that I found that I thought had some value um and what I liked and what I didn't the other thing I guess I was going back and forth with is do we want to adopt standards or guidelines uh obviously the guidelines are this is what we'd like to see and the standards are this is what you must do so there's some obviously and I suppose you could have some combination thereof where there are
039actual standards and then there are also some suggested gues uh and I I saw both kinds of things out there so I figured I would look at a couple of ones so just starting with you know I I took a look at the town of Durham and I kind of liked some of the things I saw again dur I'm not going to go through all of this um you know they kind of do their overview and their findings and purpose Etc maybe I can go this way a little bit faster um but but some of the things that they talked about about I I you know I have some value looking for high quality design human scale those kinds of words I think make sense for what we're talking about um and I'm not going
040to get into a lot of these are regulations so they go into a lot of specific stuff um that we don't necessarily need to get to right now using these regulations definitions again what I'm trying to get to is more this so these are kind of where you get into the standards and what I like and we see a lot of this with um in the at least in the examples that I like are where you you talk about again they have different areas we won't have all these same areas but the basic theme is is that they talk about the general character um they actually Define in their case um they're showing you existing buildings that they think are contributing if you will to that character and so nice nice to have pictures and
041images and and they're using these as prototypes and then they go outside of their own community and say these are examples that we've seen in other communities importantly though all communities or I should say most of these are communities that are within they're all New England they're also things that people could go and see so there's a value in showing examples of what you want to see um interestingly oh so they did a chared I guess that's very nice they had some imagery came up but that's really basically the theme and then you get into descriptions about what it is about these buildings um that they're looking for you know they're talking about the roofs and you know front-facing Gables the siding the different kinds of things that they're looking for and not these are
042so when I say kind of a combination of a standard and a guideline these aren't saying there's any one thing you have to do they're giving you examples of the kind of materials that they want to see um their guidelines apply to different districts we don't really have that at least not right now in the future we could but so they're getting into different um you know Concepts as they go again it's the exact same thing that we saw before so let's just more to that we want to see there I thought I would move [Music] on um I don't like this visually um at all um but this is a more recent example so London Dairy does have what they call their lookbook I did kind of like the name um and it really
043is so so these are standards I I'm sorry not standards these are guidelines um and they're basically showing you and defining different types of things these that's not what they want they do like this I'm not sure I get where they're going I can't say I love it but they're trying to basically give examples now this is a very different Community this is not a historic town center so they're looking at really large scale um commercial development and Industrial Development in their case but again they could have done a much better job in these kind of expanded pictures that really don't fit and don't look good but at least they're they're going through and saying by the different types of uses office Big Box Etc these are our preferred looks these are our preferred Styles
044so kind of very much in contrast to a more regulatory approach that we just saw in Durham which does have we like this but it is saying it is putting in real specifics this really doesn't this is simply saying for each of these strip retail Etc this is our preference so and they go through each different category there is you know again these are not the same as what we're necessarily looking for the the concept though is not a bad one if you want to take a simple approach it's simply saying these are the different types of uses that we're looking at don't do that right it's really really very simple and it gives anybody looking at it you know could pick it up and I get the idea of what you're going for yeah
045maybe that's enough um and then I found um Harvard Mass so this is an the Harvard Mass example was the of those types of communities um it was less you know Ye Old New England Village um not that they don't have that they do um but this I also did like it's giving you some examples both in terms of layout and look um so it's now saying this is kind of what we want to see and these were mainly I'm going through la la la got through all this a big document sorry it's a big document yeah they've got a lot in here they're also addressing more things as you can see sustainable development is a thing they're into they um incorporate energy so they're incorporating more than just um you know Aesthetics um so
046this is for a defined District so they're showing us the area I thought it was interesting how they did that with an aerial uh an adapted aerial and the different zones within this district for us that is applicable and of course again they're saying what's the purpose of the guidelines these are guidelines um it is valuable to have a purpose statement um and then here are kind of the general standards we're looking for you to adhere to this is kind of a general standard um for the roofs and the overhangs and the pitches Etc so again not hard and fast not giving you Dimensions but they're saying this is what we're looking for and then this is really the um your your your point of do this don't do that uh Rec so they do
047explicitly recommended not recommended and whether we think it's a nice thing to do or not they also do identify the recommended and not recommended so you you can see what I do like is that they also put in a little bit of why uh and that is kind of valuable well what is it you don't like about that it is a pitched Roof oh it's not articulated oh that's what you're looking for so there's a value in you know really being specific about that and of course yeah we don't like roof signs actually you do have one in your one that you like but I maybe they don't consider a porch sign a roof sign uh and now we get into facade guidelines and kind of very very similarly these are the things that we're
048generally looking for we actually do have some things similar to this in our un regulations about breaking up facades Etc and then once again we have this recommend mended not recommended and an explanation as to why um and then moving on down again building composition I guess I would also say that I like that they're not just mashing um everything that we like that we don't like a section on roofs a section on you know um in this case the uh building groupings section on facades so there is a value to you to that because you're being really concise and then once again recommended not recommended um guidelines for the organization of buildings and uses this is the kind of thing I think that will be really important to our district um because we spent
049a lot of time thinking about that um so kind of talking about organizing the buildings to create a you know promote compact Urban Development it's Etc um creating a focal point number three uh a town green outdoor sculpture Etc you know the way the buildings are arranged um the walkability aspects so there's definitely a value to that and then again you've got your kind of recommended not recommended example of a layout um I think that's you know and again why so for us I think that's particularly valuable I'm I'm not going to go through too much more detail on this but I think you really get the idea of kind of what they're doing and how and I can share all of these um you know or maybe post them to the portal uh what
050I also jumped out at me was if you look here on um the lower right was credit Montgomery County Planning Commission um because that really takes us back to what we've looked at before but these are the mixed use District guidelines that we had previously looked at which notably come from Montgomery County right and so in my little doodling around um these guidelines are being used and referenced by other communities adopting similar guidelines um so whenever I see that that adds you know kind of credibility there's a reason these are being vetted by other folks not that there are adopting it a wholesale of course not there are a lot of differences um but when I come and I I I look at these Montgomery County guidelines I think there's really there's a lot here
051that I think really make sense and a lot of what we were talking about there's a lot in here that does not apply to us um but you I like kind of pulling out what are the key elements of you know a village mix District what does what does that really what does that mean and how do you define that and I think having something like that is really valuable it means interconnected streets and sidewalks it means a cenal open space it means the kinds of things that we were talking about they give local examples I think having those are good although frankly we don't have a whole lot um because we're not talking about tuscum Village we're not talking about Mash B Commons not at our scale um so maybe we're not going to
052find too many good ones maybe we will be going outside of our area I think that's okay but they give a lot they talk about benefits we're talking about guidelines I don't think we need to talk about benefits necessarily um you know that's that's a nice to have um and then kind of suitable locations we've already defined where ours is so I don't think going through anything like that is necessary um historic character also we're where we're talking about there isn't really much in the way of historic character so I don't know that that's valuable that's not uncommon in these um as I mentioned I didn't look at a lot of the examples that really focused on that because it's not relevant to us permitted uses we've already addressed in our ordinance we don't need
053to address that here um we do allow mix use buildings but I think showing examples of that would have some value um overall mix requirements is also something I think that's already in our ordinance I don't know that we don't need to specify percentages although that's not uncommon what does have I think a value is showing examples again density is in our ordinance we don't need to get there dimensional requirements is an area that I think really has a value in our addressing because I think what we're looking for is beyond you know we really didn't create those internally and I think we had had conversations around that and one of the things we talked about was where do we address those in the regulations are in the ordinance we came down on the regulation
054so this is an area where we really want to think about them um here they push um you know that garages should be less prominent you for the townhouse type units garages under ground level are allowed um but in these specifically um they are you know they encourage at least 50% of the front yard should be green space so you can't turn it all into a driveway there's got to be green space driveway so that's that kind of made sense that's making that's contributing to that wab ball more attractive character um some do of course encourage that the uh if you have garages that they're to the rear um they also um I think it's actually in this next not quite in this one again General layout I do like the idea of trying to
055address layout it at least Concepts or principles around layout um our Parcels are typically not so large that I think we're really going to have Street systems um I suppose it's possible that you you you might have a couple of internal roads I don't think we're going to have anything this large in their example if I recall correctly their minimum area was um a 30 acre lot so that's much larger than than what we're looking at um but the interconnectivity I think makes sense a lot of these I really I do like I like um the idea of I like the way this image some of these guidelines I think absolutely make sense you do want large Windows you do want things to be walkable close to the street Etc um but it's kind of
056nice to show an example show what you're looking for and do that pointing the Harvard example did that in also in a different way they just said here's the image of what we like and here are the reasons this is good here is what we don't like so it's it's similar to that uh whether you do the negative or not I think having the positive is really important um and then again this is really this is the residential standards and um the other examples that we were looking at were all non-residential so I think obviously really the bulk of what we're going to see is residential so having those guidelines is really important and I you know I kind of like those examples and again parking standards you know we kind of touched on that
057of course they want them typically in the rear um but again here you're showing different ways you can accommodate parking um and there's a variety you know of different options that that they're showing and again you're showing the image as well and they are showing the negative like up in the upper left that's what you don't want that large basically the driveway and the garage are the dominant feature that you see we're seeing a lot more of that now I like to call it the garage with the house behind it the house addition um again open space and having some guidelines around that I do think is important um especially the concept of to the extent Possible having some sort of central open space I do think is key what we do tend to find
058and it's not a dig against you know our open space ordinance is just it's always around the periphery and there's usually detention bases in it um do we primary park that's probably getting farther than we want to go with f not to say we don't want fountains and then signage um having some you know we've got our sign ordinance but if we're trying to achieve a particular look and feel having some specific sign guidelines I think really makes a lot of sense um and then they get into their model ordinance and this is really really detailed um and I don't think we need to get into all of this um you know these are kind of you know feel free to look at at your leisure there's a lot in here but one of the
059concepts in here um that I think addresses one of the concerns that we that we did have is what they tend what they provide here what they call for here here is basically a setback window a minimum and a maximum so you want you do want at a certain distance back but you also don't want it so far back that it's not walkable um and I think that kind of makes sense is to think about what is that internal setback look like um so that's again I don't want to that now we're getting to in a lot of detail and I don't know that we want to get into that much detail um but but you know Landscaping is another one uh we have kind of very general landscape requirements this is kind of where
060you probably do want to think about Street trees and you know what does that look like and um so that's kind of my thinking and I I think if these directions make sense what I'd like to do is just start putting together what a draft might look like pulling in some of these elements um and I really finding that it's going to take I think a little while to build but finding local examples wherever we can I fig at this point I'll start just stealing examples from these folks and then back filling it right with local examples and so that's that's kind of what I'm thinking so thank you for all of that um I think the most important first steps are going to be like keeping in mind what is likely to come through
061next yeah and make sure that it would be something the town would be happy with because uh knowing that developer he'll definitely create something that would comply with our requirements um but I don't know how much the town would like it exactly like it as proposed in the draft it just okay A little section of commercial near the corner and then all the residential behind that it doesn't incorporate as much of the integration as we've been discussing in and as proposed in that mixed use Village District um thing our proposal um or example the looking at in terms of the the design of the commercial aspect I think that's going to be the most important in parking Park yes I think the residential think I don't think I don't think the residents of L field
062are going to love medium density residential there but I think the developers in town have done a good job mostly fitting with the character except for the big parking garages so I think we need to specifically address the parking garages and we're definitely going to need guidelines for the commercial part of it um like looking at the pictures that you showed and looking at like a more commercial area of a town that I've been in in the past like awnings and porches definitely change the feel of it um it like a strip mall doesn't have porches or awnings or anything like that typically it's typically for when you have those older style things like that um and I think the residence of which would definitely appreciate that style more so I think that's absolutely right
063I think you know the key probably in the residential areas is you know at least to me the the walkability piece making sure the sideworks are integrated that the parking is less um prominent and um and to the extent possible incorporating some sort of meaningful Central Green Space um would make those would make huge differences um encouraging trees um would make a huge difference Street trees uh but yeah it's it's the commercial piece and linking you to that commercial piece linking the residential to the commercial piece I think that's key yeah I think trees would definitely make a big difference because without them you're going to see a lot of buildings and the residen of V field I doubt would appreciate that um so another thing is you have to balance the visibility of the
064businesses to pass people who are passing by the development versus making it a village because they certain aspects of that like when you make it more centralized as a village it makes it less visible to people that are driving by the development and the visibility driving by the development is a major concern for the Builder that the developer we anticipate will likely develop in lynfield so and I think in this example they're showing um if I can zoom in a little bit more um they are showing major it may it may be it's not obvious but you know here is major road and here is the commercial piece so there's a recognition that you you would obviously want to do that mhm and yet you know again this is a bigger development there is a
065street coming in the Central Open Space is really very Central and then the homes are grouped you know kind of all around so it's it is kind of commercial in front residential behind but there is at least an integration a connection um and then yeah design wise how do you address it I think that Harvard does a lot with um um looking at their commercial as well if I recall correctly there's a lot of um well that's overall grouping examples of what they liked and what they didn't I thought there was another one to the point of porches I thought we had another one here you know something like that I mean that's a new building but in terms of massing you do have the kind of porch thing going on I don't think we
066need something as complex as that building we don't don't um CU that just increases the cost of the developer adds maintenance costs and there aren't many of those in Lichfield either so no but I think what it's showing is it's showing placing Dormers even if there isn't an upper floor if you have Dormers it it it's a visual and it's um it kind of breaks the eye and it it doesn't look all uniform and you know and that's what's happening in this example which is a one-story building yeah but it it it does incorp them right yeah I think that's definitely the best example we have Koopa yeah when in doubt put a Koopa when in doubt very New England and there are examples that look more like this than I Reen Amherst comes to
067mind uh where you know that is the kind of thing they've been requiring some are more successful than others but um we can definitely find local examples I think of kind of what we're thinking and there is a mix of examples out there of the smaller retail building as well as the office type the smaller office type might be a realtor's office or there's a doctor's office in it or there's two or three different things so we could find some of those examples I think pretty readily that's driving around on a nice day y some of these examples that you show you know creates visual interest for the building softens the exterior but also it you know it's like to the members of the public when they walk by like oh like this is a
068business that I can patronize or oh this is commercial this might not be for me right screen and addressing the parking is going to be you know something to really think about because it's got to be there you know this example we zoomed right up to the building but there's almost certainly parking in front of it somewhere so that's you know kind of some that's going to be something to think about just in terms of design but needless to say it will need to be there so one thing I'm wondering is potential recommendations or requirements for having like in the transition because like you could either have a big long building where the commercial is just facing away from the residential or you could have it built so that you have the commercial on both
069sides of the building and maybe you put restaurant facing the residential and have the shops facing away from the residential and then have a central Green Space there where there might be some picnic tables that people who went to that restaurant could potentially use but you I I think you are right in that it that you know that integration piece is going to be you know the most challenging really is how do you how do you transition from one to the other yeah because yeah if you see a back of a building where it's just a loading dock that's not going to be friendly and inviting to the residential it is not so what do are you aware of any guidelines that we can put in place for this concern in particular I'm sure I
070could find them we'll have to dive deeper but I'm sure I could find them um in this example which I guess is hard to really see um it appears that they've got buildings that are along the frontage of the street but one of the ways they seem to be doing handling this integration and it might not be that obvious again this is a bigger development so there's a Main Street coming in off of I'll just say the Town Road and the commercial buildings are facing it so that the rear um service areas are not backed up to the residential so that's one way of managing is is can you design it in a way so that that's not what's happening and that that might be harder for us to pull off because I do think
071that again it depends on how big the site is and where it is right do you have that much room to really work on um but that's a way of doing it can you avoid those loading areas being what is the transition CU that's obviously less than optimal for every reason that's also where the dumpsters are going to be and it's going to be noisier and all that stuff yeah it may be a requirement that dumpsters and loading um locations cannot be directly between them and then let the developers figure out the best way to work around that yeah how do you do it how do you pull it off um it's like ideally you'd probably have several little buildings and then maybe an area in between the little buildings where you have the commercial
072Frontage facing both directions with an area in between the buildings for that yes I'm just zooming in here because one of the advantages I think that we have is um if I can find it so one of the advantages that we have is that the number of parcels that we're talking about are relatively few yeah and we know where they are see if I can zoom in a little bit more so it really is as we think about possible regulations you know we've got know if this is let me zoom in a little bit more on this one um looking at probably our largest example so we already had a concept in here of how this could happen on probably the large of these Parcels there is a road coming in here there is 's
073a road coming in here and another one here so there are internal roadways pretty obviously this one is laid out with a commercial building here a commercial building here parking in the front presumably loading in surface areas right here um that's not necessarily I think what we want but um that's in this scenario that's exactly what that is so then the question would be is okay can you can this be redesigned in a way that would be a little bit more compatible um and probably in this example there's probably enough real estate here where that could happen you've got a lot of open space but you don't have any Central type of green um but couldn't this be redesigned in a way where that happens and maybe that happens as part of the transition between
074these two uses uh maybe it happened somewhere else maybe this doesn't Arc like this but there's Central open space and it's a bigger Arc I mean there's different ways I think we could go about it but and we don't have to design it but this really does you know kind of give us the opportunity to say okay here are in fact these various scenarios these are the properties um realistically that we're talking about they're not the only properties the other biggest one is literally just across the street on that one where there's the yeah right there where there the field the the the farmed field the unfarmed field uh and next to St Francis way exactly that's a huge piece and although I wouldn't want to say um you know that that's what should happen
075we also have a large commercial recreation facility here that one day could be redeveloped and that's a very large piece a lot could happen on a piece like that if that were to ever come to pass um that would be the biggest I think contiguous piece where there's a lot of opportunity so we've got a few things to think about but just the fact that we're not in a vacuum I I think makes it you know easier to deal with what are we what are we really looking for and at the same time you know can we construct some standards or guidelines that are consistent with the village of the mixed use are consistent with the concept of the mixed use Village but that are also you know provide realistic opportunities for you know achieving
076the development of the sites which was clearly the goal right MH okay well there's certainly a lot of options um there are but at least I can start playing start Ping something together see what we can start providing pictures as we go around in our travels of what we like what we don't like that would be really really helpful that would be a good exercise and um and as we're going through that kind of think about the concept of you know are we looking at developing something that's more hard and fast standards or are we looking to develop guidelines that are saying this is what we're looking at or hybrid which is possible and we saw that example of yeah here are the concepts here are the goals oh and here are some actual specific
077right yeah you might have some non-negotiables but other than that I would stick to God lines I'm feeling that way too just because it's um you know I certainly don't want to design these sites for them I want to say these are the things that we're looking for these are the goals yeah right I don't think that's our our job per se I think our job is is to give you guidance and exactly sense of you know what we would like to see we just want to be sufficiently clear and um and then we can also that we may decide as we go along that there's more that we want to incorporate because you can get pretty you know for example um some of the ones that I've seen are pretty specific about the lighting
078fixtures you know these are the kinds of lighting fixtures that we want to see and Coach Lambs they look pretty they do look pretty um but but exactly that kind of thing signs lamps I hear you yeah so and this is where our friends at the historic commission might help too and I realize it's not historical in nature because it would be new but you know they came to us earlier um at the end of last year and the beginning of this year with this notion of you know um certain things that they wanted to see as you drove up 3A you know and I I think a lot of their their I I'd be interested in hearing their thoughts on design um albeit a new building because for them you know the character of
079the town is represented in the architecture of the buildings and things that they were wishing to preserve so it would be helpful I think um as we create drafts to get their take on it as well I I think that would be valuable and this is a gateway into Lichfield so it's important yeah sets the tone it does it sets the tone you want to make the right statement about yeah it's definitely very important that we do a good job with this because this is probably more likely to be developed at a faster Pace than anything else that's in the commercial Northern commercial District um and I think that the parking requirements are probably going to be ones where we have to be a little bit more strict on because of like those more ugly
080garage structures and stuff like that you really don't like those do you they're fine they just don't fit the character of the town I don't think the residents in LV would appreciate them um they're pretty prominent well you can drive you can see them in the neighborhoods where they are for sure in this in this proposal here I think they would probably be what's facing the road on yeah that side yeah so you're going to see those more than anything else that that's right in this concept these are the units and these are the carport structures and the same thing here the central feature in here is it's not a green space it's carports yeah exactly so that's the like the tow houses mostly are just like a denser version of the general um character
081of Lichfield uh less so at the carports yeah uh what do you know what the plan was for that within the road area there within the loop of the road uh no I don't know that there was any plan other than this is a loop road what what do you know what's inside of it what do you mean can you U maybe zoom in to 100% so we can see that area look like either single families or duplexes Oh you mean here yeah I those look like single families to singes yeah me just zoom over yeah th those have the appearance of single families to me yeah again they could be duplexes they could be and obviously this is just a concept but um it shows you how you could get a mix of housing
082types and density I will say that is another thing that is talked about and a lot of these guidelines is a mix of housing types and how important that is to us especially on a larger site you know do you want to see a mix of single to townhouse Garden style or not or that doesn't that's not important to us people don't complain about the character of single family homes so if the single family homes are closer to Albuquerque that might that would definitely be better than having the town houses right up against Albuquerque I think that's that's true that's certainly something this is a very prominent stretch right here yeah a lot of people come and go I mean this is the busiest you know intersection there is in town so you're yeah what
083you see at this intersection that's a lens to think of you know this from same thing on this side this is a very very prominent yeah intersection and you know similar here you're looking at basically small commercial buildings that are surrounded by parking and drive house so are we looking for something a little different than that how how strict are commercial parking requirements because allowing them to put uh like aing on the side of twoo little parking would be good character wise but may make it so the parking lot gets full and maybe it's you know a good reason to be looking at our parking requirements simultaneously because you certainly don't want to require over parking at the same time I think we have to recognize needless to say pretty pretty much everyone who doesn't
084live in this immediate area is going to drive so that's that it's achieving that balance I think at least on these smaller ones the parking areas are relatively small they're broken up um and so yeah are they going to be prominent yeah but a decently designed building um if it's still up there something like this I can see fitting right in here you that could easily be that and if you've got you know some a building that looks like this having some parking pull and parking in front and another aisle back here you know that's that's not really that I don't think that takes away significantly so that's probably doable here you have a larger Comm commercial facade and you've got this long unbroken row of parking um and again obviously it's just a concept
085but if that were broken up that would you know certainly have a much better appearance yeah having I guess if if it's unfeasible to break up the building breaking up the parking with little islands with a little bit of vegetation on the islands would help keeping it from being just this long continuous um or breaking it up or in the case of um and that might not be realistic here but in the example that we saw um I don't want to scroll too much of the layout in the Montgomery County one in this scenario they had the um commercial buildings oriented towards the internal Road and so at least the parking is not all along 3A then it's here and here and maybe you do a little of this a little in the front a
086little in the back so that it's not all one strip so there's probably a few ways the key is maybe putting in some sort of a requirement and breaking up large parking Fields um you maybe that's the way you encourage it yeah and yeah probably ideally it's also probably nicer to have the smaller scale the building of that scale which still is multi-tenant um maybe versus something quite this large as a block but that's something to think about yeah blocks are more cost effective for the developer um but there's they don't look as appealing right and I think in our district you know we both economically and in terms of what we allow realistically not looking at very large footprint commercial buildings um that's just not that's not the kind of businesses we're going to
087attract so it's easier to break them up U so that's that's definitely something to think about I'll look at some examples like that um I think these were actually proposed to not be part of a mixed use that these were just going to be commercial yeah everything across Albuquerque I think he said is separate separate or potentially separate yeah technically can he include those lots in in the village total you could if you put them all together as one development then conceivably you could um because we do allow you to break it up into separate Parcels so it's just one project um but yeah those these will probably be commcial on their own or but you know maybe maybe a group like this a decision is made to go a different route so it's it's
088certainly possible this is really the key though I think in this immediate area kind of zooming out though but kind of once again that's that's kind of one property owners Vision we know we have some other larger sites as well that we would consider at some I should say that could be considered at some point depending on which way they want to go so that's worth thinking about also and that might have a very different look because this property uh doesn't have visibility from 3A yeah unless they acquire the single family homes that that's right yeah and so unless you did that you really wouldn't have it so what is your what is a viable commercial option for a mixed use in that scenario I'm not sure obviously there was once a warehouse proposed there
089but that's not you're going to find it a mixed use development realistically um yeah that is not permitted with the mixed use right so yeah that might look very very different or it may necessitate combining it with some of those frun slots which is one of those things where you kind of think over time it's probably going to happen anyway in a commercial District yeah yeah so yeah I mean there's a lot to think about but it's something that we shouldn't back bur needless to say yeah okay all right start to take a at what we can do maybe you can give us um next time yeah some ideas and um look at some more examples and um you know obviously I I think you know the parking requirements I think add kind of putting
090that into that process I think is important so yeah it is um oh definitely so we can work at least incorporate it into our uh what we're doing in terms of the uh design when we do session of the legislature be wrapped up to know about what they're doing with parking I mean we we probably won't they won't be done till June I was say the summer of the Fall by the time they back into session again July so anything coming out of the session is going to have to be done by July so we'll know um there's a there's a lot that's past the house but you still have it still has to get to the Senate so are there any noteworthy changes that are being proposed that you think might become come take
091effect at some point would be till till June this say they were reducing the um parking for multi family weren't they reduced parking requirements are definitely coming um there have been lot and and what the latest status of everything is is I'm not sure there's lot size requirements out there that um definitely are coming those actually don't probably won't impact Lichfield because we don't have large lot zoning here but for the communities that do that'll be an impact um detached ad use allowed on all uh single family lots so in addition to now it's you can have you have to allow attached you can allow detached oh they were talking about 1,200 square fet too on in right increasing the size of AD use prohibiting any requiring any familiar relationship um there there's a lot
092of them out there uh and then there's other ones that affect um you know timing of review and you just various different requirements out there um requiring that group homes are allowed in every zoning District I there's just there's slew of housing they're mostly housing related that's that's where they're coming from and um couple have died but yeah there's there's more to come and there will be next year too yep okay thank you for sure gu it's interesting yes yeah should the preview of Coming Attractions it will be a very active legislative session it will be a lot going on we'll keep our eyes out we we have enough to do but yeah could be a few more things that we'll need to do uh or not well just because again some of them are
093not going to impact lch fields too significantly um yeah so yeah thinking about like commercial stuff um there's a little commercial building that I've passed on my way to work in tingbo Massachusetts and I wonder what you everyone here like thinks about these designs this is a pretty typical design I think very very typical it has a little tiny like awning type thing around it uh it looks like it has a very small brick facade near the foundation a lot of Windows um not a big building overall but it is a flat roof yeah I think it comes down to um our goals right um I'm looking for a presentation that I may or may not find um see if I can this one so this was a presentation that we did for the economic
094development committee and one of the things that we did was show different examples right so that's a Dunkin Donuts so's that right does one fit what we're looking for more or not but we did a lot we did a whole you know what do you like what do you think fits in Lichfield what don't you think fits in Lichfield of course people like the rural looking things very much um this was an example of a that is a actually a more modern building it's I shouldn't say modern but it is a relatively recent building that's not historic um that is an older building but that's you know to that point do we you know are is this something that we want to see as this okay it's it's not a pitched roof there are no
095Gables um it is you know it does probably meet a 30% window opening you know type requirement there is a variation um Bedford Village in again older that is a shopping center in Hollis that was was once a shopping center that was actually a grocery store yeah so no longer but kind of again they of course this is hollus but they went with the porch and the pitched roof and um that's still there different use that's a CVS in marac marac was trying to create a town center F so that's very much the porch again the pitched Roof Dormers the Dormers right second floor so or if you can imagine the CVS as you are you know in Hudson making your left to come up to 3A you're on you know making your left onto
096Webster Street that's a very different looking CVS so you know those are so that's that kind of very typical retail strip building they're building now uh everywhere have you seen the um H the newer Howard or hayward's ice cream building in maraman sure yeah that that one doesn't have it has a flat roof but does have um like a porch yes it does and then these were some other design examples I it it seems pretty reasonable in terms of the character so I mean those are the things that we have to think about you know do we do we say we want this you know or are we fine with that I don't know exactly what the lit residents would like Mo most um I think I would prefer the the former rather than the
097latter I think they probably like that more I think that's just a guess probably require at least some level of Dormers Andor porches something and it doesn't have to be a strict must but should include at least one of type of thing I think that's right and if I am recalling correctly this example in marac is part of a mid Century shopping center and I think this was all added um they might have demolished that that end of the shopping center but I have a feeling this was all adapted for what that's worth but yeah that's just another example of a that's a larger footprint building than probably the other one that we saw we will to we'll come up with some examples we'll see kind of what what people seem to respond to and
098like and we'll go from there okay sounds good well thank you Jay absolutely for all that uh appreciate it and we'll definitely re be visiting this absolutely where to come more to come okay moving on uh number four is a refund of escro account for Weatherstone and Horizon drives $4,530 127 plus interest Joan yes I had looked the last um activity on that account was either 2022 or earlier um so those roads are done paved inspected okay we could return that money so I guess we would be looking for a motion to refund on that account um anybody interested in making a motion I don't really know what it what the property is for what it's off of Page Road um yeah it's a is it it's a development is it yeah deild development yeah
099okay so this is just standard procedure with your refund that that they held in escrow for a distinct period of time yeah the money's been kept there obviously they're done with the project and typically what happens is that the any remaining amount with the interest held in separate their separate accounts yeah it goes back okay so so Mr chair I'll make a motion that we refund the esro account for Weatherstone and Horizon drives in the amount of $4,530 127 plus any interest that may have accured okay to date all right sounds good uh and a motion do I have a second second second okay any further discussion all right all those in favor of the motion please signify by saying I I I those opposed abstained motion passes 5 0 okay thank you all right
100uh next up is committee reports any reports from any committees um I know Jeremy isn't here for economic development but I know Jay you're on that committee anything any updates do you know I am but I could not attend the last meeting so I I know they putting together some sort of a draft right they're putting together yes the the draft report and so um you know a template was created MH for what that's going to look like but I think that's the intent to okay get something together for the ultimately for the select for okay very good anything from nrpc uh no nothing new uh The Forum is that is that in May forum is May 8th May 8th and housing okay and the next commission meeting is of going to be I believe
101April 16th okay yes so April 16th is an ex full commission meeting and it will be a busy busy one agenda okay very good thank you um I know that the capital Improvement committee is meeting April 7th at 6:30 uh here I believe here in town hall um the uh Conservation Commission just had its meeting um at the beginning of the month first Thursday of the month um and the lower Mar ma local River advisory committee um no updated projects um from what I understand I haven't heard anything from um I think that's all I have um approval of the March 4th 2025 minutes did anybody have an opportunity to take a look at those have any questions any concerns it looked good to me y I didn't notice anything copies here yeah I didn't
102see anything that struck out anybody want to entertain a motion to approve them I'll make a motion to approve the March 4th minutes I have a motion by Russ do I have a second a second second by Jared any further discussion take a vote all those in favor of approval of the March 4th 2025 minutes please signify by saying I I I those opposed anybody abstained I abstain okay motion passes um 41 thank you okay um next item is any other business um so it's that time of year and of course my computer fails me let's see if I can find the email yeah Windows updating the en yeah I know oh exactly love it um so typically at this time of year after we've been through the deliver to session town meeting um it's
103the election of officers uh for boards uh and commissions and this is usually when we um have we does uh and I I say this because and I always say this my seat here is not owed in perpetuity okay um it's funny cuz I was I was at um the uh the town voting and someone a former person who was on the uh used to be on the planning board came up to me and said you know you're one of the last last of the remaining everyone else has has left the board you're right been there been here a while so um with that said um this is a disposable office I I will I will say that um this is an opportunity if you guys want to change things um and also too um
104and I don't know if we want to discuss this tonight but maybe we can for next time but your bylaws the bylaws usually are updated um do we want to update them do we want to take a look at them and see if there's anything that we want to add to them so I'm not going to have do that tonight but just to let you know that's something that we may want to think about in terms of the bws I think the only thing discussion item we had last time we discussed them that we might want to talk about is the uh secretary role secretary role right so we do have a sec I think Jeremy is the currently the secretary and uh obviously I'm the chair you're the vice chair so if anybody wants
105to change that if anybody has any nominations that they want to make uh tonight um personally I would like to probably defer until we have a full board okay yeah I agree I agree with that so maybe we could put both items on the next agenda sure yeah okay so that's yeah unforunately we don't have Travis and we don't have other people here so um I think that would be fair and uh to them and so we will defer this to the next meeting when we have a full board uh so that we can at least have some input from the other members who are not here this even we wouldn't want to make one of them chairman Tonight Show you've been nominated we could but it may not count turn out that great but
106um and obviously um you know uh we obviously have to send the results of the votes to um Kim Kleiner who the Town Administrator and of course uh Terry uh the town clerk because she's the keeper of Records so for the town so um that would have to be done so I I I I agree I think we should table that discussion until we have a full board here so we will do that but think about that for next time I guess you want would like um you're not getting off that easy I never expected I would you are so stuck in yeah yeah maybe it is in perpet I I can't say that I can't say that that would be an omen I don't think although I know some people would probably appreciate that
107but others I have no idea um so uh um anything else Jay do you have anything any other business that You' made I do not Joan do you have anything no I don't and anybody have anything okay well I guess with that I don't have anything else so I guess we will entertain a motion to adjourn so mov I have a motion by Le do I have a second hi chesse all right further discussion all right all those in favor please signify by saying I I those opposed abstain motion passes 500 Z thank you all for joining us this evening um hopefully get outside uh spring is I think coming very soon and um