001act statement. >> Exact. The board secretary has forwarded notice of this meeting for advertising by having the date, time, and place thereof posted in the Caucus town hall on the Ben Board of the Education Administration building as well as notice being provided to the Bergen record and district website. >> Flag salute. >> Where is it? Oh, right. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call. >> Mr. Bartletta, >> present. >> Miss Detta >> here. >> Mr. Barry, >> here. >> Mr. Deombre, >> present. >> Miss Geller, >> present. >> Miss Howard >> here. Mr. Lewis >> present. >> Mr. Lions >> here. Okay. Regular. Oh, I'm sorry. Where are
002my presentation goals? Did I miss something? No. Okay. Um, okay. I'll start, Charles. Okay. All right. So, I'd like to give an update um and give a progress report. Good evening everyone again. Um it is my pleasure to update you this evening on the progress of our that our district has made in alignment with the board of education goals. Over the past year, we have focused on several key areas that strengthen our district's foundation, enhance student and community engagement, and ensure fiscal responsibility. Number one, better communication. Effective communication is vital to connecting our schools with families and the broader community. To that end, each building principal has taken proactive steps by publishing regular newsletters through s'mores. These newsletters sent weekly or monthly provide parents and students with timely updates, highlights of school events, and important
003announcements. This effort has significantly improved the flow of information and helped build stronger school family partnerships. Number two, increase community engagement. Our faculty, staff, and students continue to actively participate in community events demonstrating our commitment to being integral members of the town. Highlights include involvement in the annual town carnival, the celebration of the town's 125th anniversary, and the solemn 911 memorial ceremonies. These activities foster a shared sense of pride and connection between our schools and community members. Number three, focus on balancing the fiscal budget. Fiscal responsibility remains a top priority. Acting superintendent Charles Borhees along with business administrator Grace Yo, Assistant Business Administrator Pat Kikuchi and staff have worked tirelessly to devise creative solutions to balance the budget without sacrificing jobs or programs. Their dedication and strategic planning have preserved essential education educational services while
004maintaining the district's financial health. Number four, creating and maintaining stability in the district. To ensure consistent and seamless operations across all schools, we have worked closely with our core administrative team to standardize procedures districtwide. A key step in this effort was making the 6 through 12 supervisors 12-month positions, which has contributed to greater consistency and stability in leadership and support for our secondary schools. Number five, increase student voice. Empowering our students is a fund is fundamental to our mission. We have increased student voice by reinstating the student board of educ board of education representative and fostering closer collaboration with student government organizations. This provides students a platform to share their perspectives and engage in district decision-making processes. Number six, increase professional development for all board members. To strengthen governance and leadership, we have prioritized ongoing
005professional development for our board of education members. This ensures that our board stays informed about best practices, policy changes, and effective governance strategies to better serve our district. Number seven, focus on strategic plan for capital projects. Lastly, we continue to focus on a strategic plan for capital projects, ensuring that our facilities meet the evolving needs of our students and staff. This long-term vision supports safe, modern, and efficient learning environments for all. In summary, the district has made commendable progress on these goals thanks to the collaboration of our leadership team, staff, students, and community partners. Together, we will continue to build a strong, stable, and thriving educational environment for every student. Thank you. I just also want to um discuss uh going back to item number six, the training that we did and give just a
006little update on the training. So, um, on June 23rd, Lance and I, um, Vice President Lance and I attended the, uh, leadership training, and some of the takeaways from the training, um, and changes that we're hoping to implement as a result of that training is changing how far in advance we received the agenda. And sitting in some roundt discussions with other districts, it seemed that majority of them are receiving their agendas four to five business days prior to their meeting. um and they feel that that is best practice to allow enough time to review their agendas in advance so they could be prepared for any questions or concerns that may arise. Also, another best best practice update um that was mentioned is that most of the districts are providing a 48 hour deadline for trustees
007to contact their committee chairs on any issues that they plan to discuss at open session so that the committee chairs can properly um prepare to uh answer that those questions in public. Um they another um suggestion that was made was that a lot of the presidents are giving um monthly updates of any items that are open items that they discuss with the public. Um some examples too that they gave of president message updates was accomplishments of the staff and students of the month. I think that we do that to an extent. Um Mr. Vorhees does that a lot in his uh presentations that he gives. Um, but we're going to look further into how I can get a little bit more involved in discussing those things on a monthly basis. Um, another thing that they
008did was reading their mission statement before the meeting that they felt um was another good idea to implement into the agenda, adding the goals of the board to the front of the the agenda. They said that um that seemed to be majority. Most districts were doing that. um and we're hoping to make these changes starting in September. The other um class that we took was Jerry, Joe, and myself went to a spring law forum on June 26th. Some of the takeaways from that were um there were three policy updates that we brought back to the district and when uh doing some research it was explained by Miss Greco that Eileen Lerto gets updates from the company that we use Strauss Esme and they were already aware of the changes. So we were ahead of the
009game there. there were some legal requirements um that each district well in the state of New Jersey legal requirements that that must be um adhered to regarding the gifted and talented program and I'm working with the law team to confirm where we need to be in that area to make sure that we are compliant there. Um as of June 30th, districts in the state of New Jersey are no longer required to post in the newspaper. Um these postings can be done online and will be done on our website and notice will be posted at the board office, the town website as well. Um and all districts in the state of New Jersey are um adopting that policy. And it was discussed also that in doing that there was a savings um statewide of $20 million
010collectively um by by switching over there. So that that's a big benefit. And also I just wanted to add we found out when we were there that anybody that's interested in running in the November 2025 election. Um initially the rules and requirements were only to get 10 signatures on the application. The state has changed that to 25 signatures. You could go on New Jersey school board's website and there is all information on running and um all of the things that need to be done. I believe the deadline is July 28th um for the application to be submitted on on that and that's all I have. >> Okay, my turn. Thanks, Kelly. You did better than I'll probably do. Um so Devin Parades is going to help us here. So we are going to have it
011on the screen as I speak. I'm going to hit some highlights of of three of our goal areas. Uh goal number one was that we put a plan together that pretty much everyone does for your math and your ELA scores. We based it on proficiency proficiency. And I think where I think we're really in a good place is with something called Linkit, which is our main data source. And it really is a comprehensive individual program and we feel very good about this. Now, as years go on, the data that we have for just say you're in the third or fourth or fifth grade, it will carry you through. So, we can then see where you're at as we continue through your academic career. And ultimately what we're going to try to do is identify your
012strengths, your weaknesses, improve on the weaknesses, continue to build on the strengths so that we maximize each and every one of the kids that go to school here. It doesn't mean every single kid is going to get every problem right, but we want to maximize their opportunity to do that and um link it if you ever get a chance. I'm sure the parents do it, but the data that we're able to draw out of it is unbelievable. So, I know a lot of people when they talk about data, a lot of people can see it, but they don't know how to really look into it. What this allows us to do is actually break down the students, break down the class they're in, break down what they did up to the test so that we
013can see, hey, we might have to add something before the test so that we're prepared. So, that's what we did there in in goal one. two, um, you know, we had to review all of our curriculums with all the standards. Every time the standards come in, you have to look at your curriculum and make sure that you're aligned. Um, we have very good people that work here on the top all the way down to the last thing we have. Everyone works very hard, you know, in our professional learning communities. You know, our teachers are meeting on these roundts. they're discussing what's coming up next and they're spending a lot of time with that. Um we, you know, so we have to take the new standards, we have to adjust our curriculums and then we have
014to get everyone to understand where it is we want them to go with their work. Um so that's what we did with there and you know we had to evaluate our resources that was very important. We've taken a good look at our technology which I think is really moving along. Um, I go back to the days when as a math teacher I did not like when the calculator showed up, you know, but in this day and age you can't stop the technologies. And, you know, I I really am am amazed at how quickly it just keeps coming. So, we have a lot to keep up with there. And, um, I got to give a lot of credit to everybody that works here because they've been doing that. um you know so again you know maximizing
015every kid following the state rules and all of the standards and aligning everything properly so that we're prepared to put our data out there so that we are doing what we need to do. Um now our third goal tiered is a word that we have to use because you know there there it's kind of call it like a level. So if you were to take things and put them into levels one two and three. So, you know, a lot of times we look at academics and we forget the fact that not everybody has it going perfectly all of the time. Okay? So, for instance, if I'm standing up here talking to you and my stomach is bothering me and you give me a test, there's a pretty good chance I'm not going to maximize my
016effort. But mental health is something that showed up. Um, as we all know, it's it's unfortunate, but it's growing more and more, especially in young people. So, we worked with the New Jersey tiered system of support. Um, we brought in, you know, uh, I got to give some real shout out to um to Miss Wiswesser, Mrs. Wiswesser with Lifelines. Um, it it it it really was a program that we put a lot of effort into, one of the programs we put a lot of effort into, but I think this one was there was a lot of things that we had to really learn about and they did a great job with that. Um, the intervention and referral services that we have to deal with every it's an ongoing change there. There's there's constantly things going.
017So, we have to build a plan for all of our individual needs, which we've done. Um, and then you know, you hear these words that you don't like, but you know, trauma, right? There are situations where it's just not going to be easy. So, you got to figure out ways to make that work. Um, and I and I, you know, we partnered with the New Jersey statewide student support services. Okay? There's something there, but that's a thirdparty uh group of counselors that have helped us. So, um you know, like I said, the goals were were were comprehensive in some ways, but I tried to make it simple to understand. You could refer to um the screen because they're up there. And if you have any questions, please let me know. >> Thank you, Charlie. >>
018Okay. Correspondence. >> No correspondence. >> Acting. Do you have anything else or that'll serve as your report or >> Well, I hope everybody's having a great summer. Um, you know, I I always wonder like how the heck, you know, you guys want to be on boards of educations. I I give you a lot of credit for doing that in the summer months. You know, you're you're doing as much as we do during the school year. So, uh, you know, I give you a lot of credit for doing that. I really do. I I don't ever see myself doing what you do on a board of ed or any board. Um, but I give you a lot of credit. So, enjoy the rest of your summer. >> Thank you, Charlie. >> Business administrator, board secretary report.
019>> Good evening. >> Uh, tonight we will be adding a couple of resolutions. Under governance, we will be adding two resolutions. Resolution R1.37 and R 1 38. These resolutions are approval of the continuing the suspension of two students whose names are on file at the board of education office through the next regular regular monthly meeting of the board of education. Also tonight under operations committee under finance we will be adding four resolutions. Resol resolutions R4.14 through R4.17. Resolution 4.14 states, "Be it resolved by the CC Caucus Board of Education, herein referred to as the board, that the terms, stipulations, and conditions as established in the settlement agreement and general release in the matter pending in the Superior Court of New Jersey Law Division, Hudson County, bearing docket number HUDL 8020 is is annexed to this
020resolution and hereby approved and adopted by the board. Resolution 4.15 says the same thing. It's just bearing docket number HUD-L 724-21. Resolution 4.16 again has the same verbiage. It's docket number HUD-L2457-20. And the final resolution is resolution R4.17 which states be it resolved that the CC caucus board of education here and referred to as the board that the terms stipulations and conditions as established in the settlement agreement and release herein referred to as an agreement between the board and the parents of a student whose name is on file in the acting superintendent's office. and which agreement is located in the students files are hereby adopted and approved by the board. Those will be the resolutions that we will be adding to tonight's agenda. Also, I'd like to add um in recent weeks, you've likely seen
021media reports about the budget challenges from some New Jersey school board districts are facing for the 2526 school year. These challenges stem from a combination of factors including rising medical and energy costs, decreases in state aid, and ongo on ongoing uncert uncertainty around federal funding. I want to assure you that our district was proactively addressed these concerns when preparing the 2025 2026 school budget. the acting superintendent, assistant business administrator, staff accountant, and I work closely with our adviserss to account for all of these factors. The budget we presented to the public and the board on April 30th, 2025, and subsequently adopted fully reflects these increased costs. We are very proud that our budget clearly anticipated these challenges. As a result, the district's financial position remains strong. In fact, our bond rating improved from an AA
022minus stable to AA standard in the 2425 school year and it remains intact. This improvement is a testament to our sound financial planning and management. Thank you. >> Thank you, Grace. I have a question. Um, >> oh, I think it's the air. Oh, the ice machine. The ice machine. Sorry. >> Yeah. No, sorry. We We thought that was the fire drill. It was the ice machine. Um, question on R 1.37 and R1.38. Can you pass me documentation so I know which is which because I need to recuse from one of those and I don't know which one to recuse from. >> Okay. Sorry. >> I know. Yeah. Is this um >> it's okay. Or 1.38. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Okay. Okay. A public forum agenda items. >> This meeting is open to the public
023for the purpose of addressing items listed for approval on this agenda only. Residents wishing to speak on such items must sign the register provided for this purpose and are required to state their names, addresses, and subject matter. Comments are limited to three minutes per person. The board may or may not respond to issues raised by members of the public at the time they are raised, but will provide a response if and when appropriate. The board asked that members of the public be courteous and mindful of the rights of other individuals when speaking. Please note that the board will not respond to comments regarding students or board employees in light of the privacy rights held by those individuals. Moreover, the board discourages comments about such individuals and will not be responsible for such comments. Members of
024the public who choose to speak during this public session should carefully consider their comments since they could be held personally liable for any statements they make. Finally, please note that in accordance with district policy number 1100, the board will not officially comment or respond to any matter mentioned unless it can confirm that the matter has first been brought to the attention of the appropriate school personnel in an attempt to resolve the issue. >> Okay. Thank you. There there are no correspondents. Thank you. Governance personnel. >> In governance, we have the hiring of some teacher positions along with the curricular extracurricular activities stipens along with a sorry and the positions are approved. And then we have additional bus aid, security guards, and teacher assistance. I make a res um would like to make a motion to
025accept the recommendation of the acting superintendent to approve and adopt resolutions R1.01 through R1.38 and motion M1.01. >> Second. >> Discussion. Discussion. >> Call the RO. >> Mr. Bartletta. >> Yes. Miss >> not in here. I'm sorry. >> Miss Diaetta. >> Yes, but I must recuse from R 1.38 and >> 1.35. >> What is it? I'm sorry. R 1.35. >> Mr. Barry. >> Yes. >> Mr. Deombre. >> Yes. >> Miss Skeller. Yes, >> Miss Howard. >> Yes, >> Mr. Lewis. >> Uh, yes to all. And I need to recuse from 1.38. >> Mr. Lions. >> Yes. >> Policy. >> Under policy, we're just doing the second reading on the high school graduation, which includes who can present the diplomas. I make a motion to accept the recommendation of the acting superintendent to approve and adopt
026resolution R2.01. >> Second. Discussion. >> Call the RO. >> Mr. Bartletta? >> Yes. >> Miss Dadetta? >> Yes. >> Mr. Barry? >> Yes. >> Mr. Deombre? >> Yes. >> Miss Geller? >> Yes. >> Miss Howard? >> Yes. >> Mr. Lewis? >> Yes. >> Mr. Lions? >> Yes. And I'd like to mention that we had lengthy discussions on these topics during governance meetings. So any questions we had were brought up and we answered them. >> Education curriculum. >> Okay. Good evening all and thank you for joining us tonight. Uh the education committee met on July 8th this month and although our schools are not in session, there is a lot going on behind the scenes to prepare for the upcoming school year. Our teachers and supervisors are working on updating the curriculum and faculty members are
027having roundt discussions to prepare for the 2526 school year. Uh professional development and mentoring plans are being developed. um three professional development development days are built into the calendar for the upcoming 2526 school year. Um the profession that's on top of the three uh half days that we have at the beginning of the school year. The professional development um will focus on utilizing data from linkit uh to drive instructions and also on the use of artificial intelligence in our classroom. Um, also I would like to mention a very exciting development. The district is very excited to announce that the prek am inclusion class with dual certified special education teacher will begin in September of 2025. We've been working the district has been working very hard on it. So we are very excited about it. Now
028we have five resolutions proposed resolutions to vote on. Uh resolution R3.1 it's approving of curriculum for introduction to probability and statistics and also computer programming. Approval of school district mentoring plan for the upcoming school year. Approval of two programs Google Gemini grades 6 to 12 Notebook LM for grades 8 through 12. Another resolution is on approval to dispose of outdated IT equipment. And the last resolution is approval of field trip. So I would like to motion to accept the recommendation of the acting superintendent to approve and adopt resolution R3.01 through R3.05. >> Second >> discussion. I'd like to ask um Charlie, can you speak a little bit on the um new curriculum items that we are introducing? >> Yes. So, probability and statistics was taught by >> Janet Ragensburg >> years ago. >> Yeah. >>
029Wow. you know then obviously I I we we don't like to say co but you know when all that came in um there was some changes so we we lost out on some of it and now we have a chance to bring it back so you know it was a it was a high level class for a lot of our students so it was a big loss so bringing it back is a big deal programming uh we're getting ahead of the computer in a year so we have another full school year before computer programming comes into play, but we have already put someone in place to now start that program a year ahead of where it's mandated. So, that's where we're at. >> Okay. Thank you. Yeah, it's always exciting when we add new classes
030for the students to take. >> Anybody else discussion? >> Call the role. >> Mr. Brata? >> Yes. >> Miss Detta? >> Yes. >> Mr. Barry? >> Yes. >> Mr. Deombre? Yes, >> Miss Geller. >> Yes, >> Miss Howard. >> Yes, >> Mr. Lewis. >> Yes, >> Mr. Lions. >> Yes. And a comment again, Tatiana and team. The notes were exquisite. All the links you provided with all the additional information. It was really a great read and I appreciate you giving such thorough notes so those who were not at the meeting can see exactly what's covered. It was really well done. >> Yeah, we we very appreciate our staff members who are doing excellent job. >> You mentioned Mary and >> Mary and Gregor is absolutely fantastic. Yes. >> Emory. >> Admiral. Sorry. Yes. Sorry. >>
031My mistake. >> That's okay. >> Operations finance. >> So, at this month's meeting, um we had a a robust discussion. We talked about um posting for a new head custodian for Hib Street School. Um there were eight high school kids that have been hired for the summer uh to help with the custodians. Um we had 300 uh of the 300 LED lights purchased uh last month, approximately 75 have already been installed in the middle school and high school hallways. Uh we're going to start moving another storage unit from Flanigan Way to uh Clarin. This is going to save us uh just over $10,000. Um the pack center the end of year rental updates uh were uh $154,000 uh for the year uh at the Sheer Street School and Milridge School. Uh the split uh the
032split air conditioning unit for the kitchen at Cuba Street uh will be installed in the next two weeks. Uh summer work has begun in the building uh in Claron School. The gym floor uh resanding uh has been scheduled for the week following summer camp which ends on 88. Uh the split unit uh air conditioner uh for the conference room at the board office has been installed and summer work has begun there also in the middle school high school uh the um performing arts center light project has uh begun. It should take about six to eight weeks. Uh and then as far as the finances, we talked about uh the monthly finances for uh the district. Uh I'd like to make a motion to uh accept the recommendation of the business administrator, board secretary to approve
033and adopt resolutions R4.01 through R4.17 as described below. >> Second. >> Discussion. >> Call the role. >> Mr. Bartletta. >> Yes. I have to recuse from R 4.13 >> 11 one. Oh no 13. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My mistake. That's my recusal. Sorry, >> Miss Detta. >> Yes, but I have to recuse from R 4.11 >> 13. >> No, no, I'm one. Yeah. All right. Wait, >> Mr. Barry. >> Yes. And I also need to recuse from R4.13. >> Mr. Deombre. >> Yes. >> Miss Geller. >> Yes. >> Miss Howard? >> Yes. And I also have to recuse from R4.13. >> Mr. Lewis. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lions. >> Yes. And I have to recuse from R.36. >> If you're all gonna have fun, I'm going to join the fun. So, >> yes. The plank.
034Yes. >> Yes. Listen, I have to keep up with not only my recusals, but everybody else's. So, yes, a lot of recusals. All right. Uh, safety, security, buildings, and grounds. >> Nothing this month. Uh, there were no ad hoc committees this month. Uh, public forum general. This meeting is open to the public for the purpose of addressing any subject matter that is pertinent to andor directly related to the operation of the Caucus Public School District. Residents wishing to speak on such items must sign the register provided for this purpose and are required to state their names, addresses, and subject matter. Comments are limited to three minutes per person. The board may or may not respond to issues raised by members of the public at the time they are raised, but will provide a response if
035and when appropriate. The board asks that members of the public be courteous and mindful of the rights of other individuals when speaking. Please note that the board will not respond to comments regarding students or board employees in light of the privacy rights held by those individuals. Moreover, the board discourages comments about such individuals and will not be responsible for such comments. Members of the public who choose to speak during this public session should carefully consider their comments since they could be held personally liable for any statements they make. Finally, please note that in accordance with district policy 1100, the board will not officially comment or respond to any matter mentioned unless it can confirm that the matter has first been brought to the attention of the appropriate school personnel in an attempt to resolve the
036issue. >> Thank you, Billy Wolf. Oh, >> yeah. You don't even have to. I'll do what I have. You just stand like you were. I'll do what I do here if I need to make. >> Sounds good. Thank you. Okay. Well, good evening members of the board, acting superintendent Charles Vorhees and community members. Uh my name is Billy Wolf. I was born and raised here in Caucus and attend this very same school district. I was also a proud 2013 graduate of Caucus High School as well. I walked the same halls as today's students. I played football and track and field on the same fields outside. I sat in the same classrooms that I would later return to. This time as a guidance counselor helping students navigate not just academics but life. I'm here tonight not
037as a stranger, not as someone asking for a favor, but as a concerned educator and as a product of this very system. What brings me here is not bitterness. It is heartbreak and responsibility because something has happened that cannot go unspoken. I was told over the phone and without documentation that because of a single benign clerical error, an error in a letter of recommendation that named a wrong person in the final paragraph, I'm no longer welcome to serve in the very school system that raised me. Not just passed over, but shut out, silenced, disqualified for life. This wasn't an error of misconduct, deceit, or poor performance. I was never warned. I was never counseledled. There was no no formal process. There was no chance afforded to me to explain, no chance to learn from it.
038Just a phone call. I believe and I say this with utmost care that the reason I was not given or the reason I was given is not the true reason. I believe that an external influence, personal retaliation, possible discrimination, a grudge or whatever possible conjured up reasons that could be was allowed to supersede merit. And if that is the case, I'm not just speaking for myself. I'm speaking for every educator who wonders whether integrity still matters. This leaves me, this leaves a very valuable, capable, and passionate educator in disarray. My thoughts on this are turbulent in my mind. Unfairness jumps to the forefront. My family has roots here that go back generations. The Wolf family began in Caucus in 1900. My grandfather, Edward Wolf, was a very integral and instrumental part of Bob's hardware. Caucus
039has always been part of our story. But what message are we sending when one mistake, one benign mistake that caused no harm, one where the student not only received the scholarship in question and is now attending the college of their dream, outweighs years of dedication, service, and student success? I asked this board, is this the lesson you want to teach? That personal politics matters more than professionalism. That silence is safer than standing up for what is right? I'm not asking for special treatment. I am only asking for fairness. I'm asking for my name to be cleared, for the chance to be considered and not dismissed, for a transparent review of how and why this decision was made, and for accountability with the future of our schools. This town raised me. The same school system taught
040me. Both taught me to be better than this. Now, I'm asking you to prove that I taught you the same things. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Mr. Walp. Unfortunately, um since it's a personnel issue, we can't discuss it in public. Um but we will have a conversation as a board about it. Thank you for speaking. Thank you. Okay. Um board member comments. No one chair about this specific issue. No, just in >> meeting we had asked our this administrator to discuss the long range facility. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Um we are currently speaking with our architect of record land. At the last meeting we um approved the contract to um start the long range facility plan. They have been in they came in did a preliminary walkth through and now
041they will be coming back within the next two weeks to meet with the staff to go walk through the buildings and start our long range facility plan. So I believe the goal was that the plan should be completed within a 6 to 8 week time span. So I'm going to assume by September October we should have the long range facility in place and approved by the DOE. You're welcome. >> Ready. I just want to say um I hope everyone is enjoying their summer um and just let everyone know that the board and the administration are working very hard to be ready for September um for another successful school year. Um I would like to I I don't know how to you'll have to help me how to structure this. Um, so I'm going to pose
042the question to Charlie and then you let me know if it has to be put to a vote or if I have to request a motion to do so. So I feel Charlie person not speaking for the board, I'm speaking as Kelly Diata, the board member um that we sit up here, you know, the panel of us and Pat Kakuchi sits in the audience and I feel that he's part of our team and I would like to ask you to consider having him join us on the panel moving forward. I think he should sit right next to me. Okay. >> Is that something that has to go to a vote? >> I think with Grace on one side and Pat on the other, I think we're good. >> I I'd say the only reason you'd
043have to vote on it is if you had a policy that said who sits up here. And I doubt you have something like that. >> Okay. So, I can ask Charlie to um consider that. >> Come on up now, Pat. >> Sit here. >> Yeah. I just feel like you're part of this team as well and you you know you should be here with us. >> Can I can I can I speak a little about it? So look >> y >> I'm going to be respectful to Grace and myself >> we there's no egos here. We want a full transition to do the right things to keep everything intact here. It's not like saying we're done. We still have things to do. But what good would be if we don't teach others to do what
044we do? We have to. And Pat is part of everything we're doing. And in many ways, look, without him, my presentations are probably worse. It's a fact. He pays attention to detail. He's got a great education. He's going to these classes. You're almost done, right? >> So, he will have full knowledge of all of the new innovative ways to do the job. And it's been it's been a wonderful experience for for Grace. I know that it also gives Grace a chance to breathe. >> Absolutely. >> So, yes, Pat should absolutely be with us. >> So, no vote. Does it go to a vote? Do we have a policy? Do we know if we have a policy on who sits up here? I don't not to my knowledge. >> I mean, we could >> Can we
045just vote? Okay. >> Is there Listen, I'll sit I'll sit out there. >> Well, you have to make a Can I make a motion? >> I'll sit out there packet sit. Okay. >> I make a motion to Have Pat Kakuchi join us up on the panel moving forward. >> Second. >> Call the roll or discussion. >> Call a roll. >> Yes. Anybody else? >> Okay. Good evening everyone. Thanks for coming out. Oh, motion. I'm sorry. >> Thank you.