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May Jericho Board of Education Meeting 5-7-26

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YouTube / Jericho Schools PR
Date
2026-05-08
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Nassau County, NY
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25,611 words · about 143 min
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2026-06-11

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001As always, let's stand. There we go. And wait for  the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to   the flag of the United States of America  and to the republic for which it stands,   one nation under God, indivisible, with  liberty and justice for all. [snorts] Good evening. Welcome to our first of several  May meetings. Um, this is teacher appreciation   week. I wish I could read everyone's  name and individually recognize each   teacher who makes a Jericho education  so special, but I will not. Hopefully,   you already extremely appreciate you already feel  extremely appreciated and on behalf of the board,   I thank each of our educators. I also want  to thank our various PTA groups that organize   teacher appreciation lunches as we are about to  begin those events at the elementary schools.   Some quick items. As AP testing continues

002into  next week, good luck to all of our sophomores,   juniors, and seniors. We will have another special  board meeting, which you all look forward to this   Monday, the 11th, beginning at 6:30, to address  section 7,000 of our policy manual. Given there   are only two candidates running for the board's  two open seats in the May 19th election,   I do not believe the PTA will be hosting a meet  the candidates event that evening. While I love a   good election, it is rewarding to know that the  community has such confidence in this board's   judgment and actions that there is no contested  seat this year. I know we will all work to   maintain that confidence and trust with one key  component being a willingness to openly discuss   any issue or concern any member of the community  wishes to raise

003at these public meetings. However,   we will have the mandatory budget hearing meeting  on Tuesday, May 21st at 700 p.m. in the little   theater. We will review the proposed budget for  the 26 27th school year and the capital project.   I'm sorry, May 12th. Dyslexic, I apologize.  Budget hearing will be on May 12th, one week   before our election. May 12th at 700 p.m. Um,  we'll review the budget for the 2627 school year   and the capital projects for which the district  is asking for residential resident approval. This   includes resident approval to use funds already  in reserves explicitly set aside for capital   projects in capital reserve 5. As any informed  person who follows this board understands,   any money spent from capital reserve 5 requires  separate voter approval. This administration, this   board and the district cannot spend that money  without

004such approval. Finally, we will discuss   the establishment of Capital Reserve 6, which will  be governed by the same spending restrictions I   just outlined as well as the separate budget  for the Jericho Library. Now, moving on to fun   business. Our entire community and particularly  our Kant community has been eagerly awaiting   our first piece of business this evening. So  I will quickly read the motion and then turn   it over to Dr. Kravitz to make the introduction.  We're going to go to schedule G in today's board   packet. Whereas the following named administrator  is recommended for appointment to a probationary   term by superintendent of schools in accordance  with the education law section 3012 subdivision   1 littleb. Now therefore be it resolved that the  following be appointed to the position indicated   the annual salary and the period set forth  for

005the grand reveal I turn it over to our   superintendent Dr. Robert Kravitz. Thank you so  much Mr. I am pleased to share that tonight in   our audience we have uh our new principal at Camp  Elementary. Congratulations to Lauren. [applause] Miss joins us from the Marin Union Free School  District where she has served with distinction   as the principal of Chadssworth Elementary School  for the past four years. A native of Long Island,   Lauren is returning home and brings with her a  strong track record of leadership, dedication,   and commitment to student success. Also  working with a New Jersey superintendent neck,   I might add. Yes, we are so lucky. We  are excited about the future and look   forward to partnering with all of you as we  continue to build [cough] strong foundation   established by Dr. Joe Sapienza. We extend 

006our sincere appreciation to Dr. Zapienza   for his leadership and wish him continued  success and fulfillment in his new central   office role. Thank you to all of the Jericho  Jericho community for your ongoing support   and commitment to all of our students. So,  welcome. Welcome. [applause and cheering] Do I jump the gun? Do I have a motion? Thank you,   Mrs. Citron. Second. Thank you, Mrs.  Wardoff. Would you like to repeat or   go? We're good to go. Any other discussion  other than congratulations to Mrs. Sharpsky? [applause] All in favor?  Unanimous. Thank you very much.   While we are addressing schedules and already  had a brief detour to the May 19th election,   let's quickly return to schedule GG election.  Whereas superintendent schools has recommended   the following persons for service as indicated  now therefore be resolved that the following   appointed to

007serve as clerks or inspectors  to May 19th, 2026 district election and   paid accordingly. It is the last schedule. Do I  have a motion? Thank you. M second. Thank you,   Mr. Jin. All in favor? Any discussion? All  in favor? We are now set for our May 19th   election. Good luck, Mr. Emanuel. I would like  again to turn the meeting over to Dr. Kravitz   to introduce our presenters this evening.  Good evening everyone. Again, we are very   proud to have the TLE group who has been working  within our district for our strategic planning.   uh this evening and we'll go over what the survey  looked like, what the questions we asked and glean   some information from there as well as start to  help draft our goals for the upcoming 2627 school   year. So I welcome Jim McGman and Michelle 

008from the TL group. Thank you. [applause] Okay, Michelle's gonna hand out some papers. And  I just want to again thank the board. It's nice to   meet the board in person. I know we met virtually  and we've met some of the members at the forums,   but it's nice to see everyone all together and to  be a part of your meeting tonight. And uh we have   enjoyed our work thus far and look forward to  our continued work uh in the Jericho schools.   So tonight we are going to give uh an overview of  the uh process itself uh some of the results and   the priorities that came out of those results  and thought exchange. Uh we're going to talk a   bit about the sore analysis which is the structure  in which uh we used to look at the

009results and to   guide uh the thought questions that the community  had and then uh as Dr. Travis mentioned uh really   exciting share goals and objectives uh  that we believe will get us uh launched   on our first year of a three-year plan and then  what next steps uh will follow. So as a review,   this is the strategic plan process. Phase  one is discovery. That's consultations and   the sore analysis. And that's what we did uh  here right here in this room uh for a couple   of live forums. We did some virtual forums. Uh  we've had discussions with administration. And   that's all part of the discovery that goes into  uh the analysis that occurs uh the sore analysis   uh which looks at strengths, opportunities,  aspirations and results. And that's a little   bit of the structure that we'll talk

010about in a  minute that was utilized. Uh so we've completed   phase one and phase two uh is the goal setting  and the public presentation. So that's where we   are tonight. We're right in phase two. Uh phase  three uh will be the actual implementation of   the first year plan on a page. The the uh  goals that kick off the the long-term plan   uh that uh strategically will help the  district reach what the community has   identified as its priorities. And then phase four  is the coaching uh component. Uh because the uh   most important piece obviously is that you don't  just have a plan but the plan goes into action and   uh we will be there to uh work with folks as they  tailor the plan to the specific uh local school   communities that they lead within the

011Jericho  school district and with central administration.   So, just to break down uh where we've been right  now, uh we've had the forums as I've mentioned.   Uh there have been templates and samples that were  shared to kind of get us moving in that direction.   There's been a web page. Thank you, Maggie, for  keeping that so detailed for us. Uh just to keep   make sure that the whole community sees this as a  very transparent process. That's uh very important   to the work that we're doing and that we've been  uh tasked with by the administration to make sure   that every step along the way all the thoughts  that were shared whether they were the highest   rated thoughts or not are shared uh through the  web page and that all the steps of the process   uh are there for

012the uh school community to  look at whenever they want to consult it.   uh the strategic plan template, our goals and  objectives and action steps on one page uh which   we continue to call plan on a page, making it very  accessible, very usable uh to put it out in front   uh of folks uh throughout the school year in all  the different uh arenas in which they operate uh   so that this plan is truly alive. and then the  public presentation uh to the board which we   are doing tonight and I'm sure you will see us  again which we look forward to in the future. Thank you and good evening. In your folders uh  what we provided the trustees is on the left side   is just a slide deck uh as well as a sample of the  goals

013and objectives that are drafted that we will   share with you this evening. on the right side are  uh the results of each of the exchanges from the   store analysis. So uh we wanted to make sure that  the trustees had each of the individual thoughts   that were shared as a result of the strengths uh  the opportunities the aspirations and the results.   This is the data that is posted on your web page  right now which was the first exchange that went   out. But just to review it because it was a big  part of creating the goals and objectives just   as the store was and as an overview of the uh  original question which was really what are the   priorities first and foremost there was a solid  participation that had occurred through this   exchange and I think what's

014really nice is you  had 351 individual thoughts that were rated but   you had over 700 people that individually went in  and raided. So while they may not have contributed   an individual thought they were a part of the  feedback circle and this is where you can find   the data and certainly um we will I'm assuming the  sore analysis results will be also posted now that   it's presented to the board as well. So in the  priorities, some of the key guiding priorities   that all stakeholders recognized were recruiting  the best teachers, a world-class teaching force,   putting in front of the students in Jericho, uh  computers and online management really had a very   strong presence across all of uh the questions and  you'll see that in the goals and objective piece,   which we'll talk about a little bit later

015on.  student engagement and increasing hands-on   engagement and work. And then again related to the  computer and online management, there was a heavy   uh feedback cycle around limiting Chromebook  access and ensuring that web pages were   um educationally appropriate and not gaming.  [clears throat] Here is an example of just the top   rated thoughts which you will see fit into those  priorities that we had talked about. And again,   all of the thoughts are listed right now on  the website for anyone to review publicly. When we dove a little bit more deeply into that,  we really were able to pull out some themes from   those top priorities and um making sure that  homework is meaningful came out as a significant   theme as well as uh revisiting the robotics  club really found itself across the themes.   uh ensuring that artificial

016intelligence is  utilized in a responsible and educational way   uh came across as a significant theme and again uh  revisiting the computer games that we had talked   about social emotional learning which we'll dive  a little bit more deeply in in the sore analysis   and ensuring that parent communication remains  at the forefront. So the sore analysis is when   we had hosted each of the forums and that's where  um to the trustees you see a lot of paper in front   of you but it really we wanted to make sure that  you were able to see each individual thought that   was contributed against across all stakeholder  groups. So the first question on the sore analysis   uh were the strengths and what we've done  for each of the questions is really created   a two to three slide overview uh to

017give  you a flavor of what the priorities were   identified by stakeholders but certainly  um Jericho was identified by uh the largest   strength was of course dedicated staff. uh you  saw across the themes that the staff were really   um the engine of ensuring that the students  were learning and that came across loud and   clear and very highly rated. Another strength  was the supportive environment and not only   um a collaborative community but the strong  relationships across the community and all   stakeholders and then parental involvement was  seen as a significant strength a very active   parent community and that being of course another  primary engine of the success of the community   regarding academic excellence. Of course that  goes without saying. I mean Jericho is the top   rated school district and you had seen that  the the top areas that

018stakeholders had really   identified in academic excellence was the rigor  um and ensuring that those standards continue to   be high standards of excellence driving national  rankings uh an expansive range of opportunities   for students and then really focusing on  college prep and leadership for challenges.   um and I will will go through the challenges but  one of the questions we had asked were what are   the the opportunities right what are the greatest  challenges that the schools are facing so in that   area student engagement was identified as  a key challenge in really in the sense of   making sure that we continue to increase student  engagement through teaching methods um reducing   pressure you'll see that as a theme throughout  that delicate balance of academic achievement   and decreasing pressure and ensuring that  teaching methodology is remaining innovative. Uh   maintaining the high

019Yes. Are you taking questions  now? Sure. For student engagement, are are you   sure and I'm not saying you're not. I just want  to show that when you're talking about increasing   student engagement. They're talking about in-class  engagement and they're not talking about school   community engagement. So they are talking about  in-class making sure that we are maintaining the   in-class was the theme that was really pulled as  a priority. The getting kids to pay attention in   class. Nope. Uh that's a great question. I'm glad  you asked that clarifying question. The focus   when we had pulled the the thoughts was really  making sure that classroom instruction continues   to be engaging and innovative. It was not as  a challenge that our students are not engaged.   That was not the challenge at all. It was really  making sure that we're engaging

020our students in a   manner that is staying with the most innovative  teaching strategies. So really linked into STEM   robotics and maintaining um that was really  the gist maintaining the course of engagement.   Um and we'll you I think you'll be able to see it  go a little bit further through but again making   sure that there's a balance of high academic  standards and wellness was also identified as   a key challenge and then reg reducing screen over  reliance. I would say this bottom priority links   into the top priority as well. So that was another  component. There was a lot of when you pulled the   threads and looked at the threads, there was a lot  of connection between technology and engagement   and um feedback saying, you know, reducing  in-class technology, ensuring that in-class   technology is not focused on gaming,

021that we're  not circumventing any networks, and that we're   maintaining the course on the content in the  classroom. There was a lot of feedback about   um finding that balance between paper and pencil  and and technology straight through. So that   first and that last are are truly linked. None of  them had spoken about students not being engaged   in content. It was more or less of how do we  maximize that and find that perfect balance. Another area of um of opportunity I will say  but certainly identified as a challenge was   really making sure that there's the balance of  stress and anxiety and content. Um so whether   it is um the competitive feel or expanding social  emotional learning opportunities that came across   uh loud and clear and giving students tools  to find that balance in a way that doesn't  

022detract from their academic experience but it  may provide additional measures. Um and then   uh parental pressure was an area that was also  identified as a challenge in talking about uh   community workshops and how do we really find  that balance with it. Discipline and support   was an area making sure that student behavior  is managed fairly and consistently. Implementing   uh district-wide initiatives to really look  at any bullying behaviors that may or may not   be happening. and then um continuing to  make sure that any students that require   specialized support are getting that support  primarily in the areas of special education   and ENL had really ENL had risen to the  the top of a lot of the feedback as well. So, continuing on the uh continuum of the soar,  strengths, opportunities, aspirations, and   uh aspirations don't necessarily mean things

023that  have to be different. Um aspirations uh from the   community can be things that the community wants  to see that's already in place remain in place.   uh they could be things that are new and that are  increased and sometimes they can be things that   uh we may aspire to see less of. But basically  this is where the the sore analysis starts to   move into the helpful planning the ideas for what  the objectives and the goals can say. And so here   in the aspirational themes uh it begins and this  dovtales with one of the the last things we said   in the in the prior category mental health and  well-being um better pressure uh management and   mental health support for kids and really uh  prioritizing that in terms of the aspirations   for the district continuing and this

024is why I  mentioned before it doesn't necessarily need   to be something different it can be something  that the community wants to see remain in place   academic excellence and balance and we've heard  the word balance a few times in a few different   ways promoting that healthy balance between  school school uh work and school life and   life after school. um aspirations uh also around  the theme of inclusivity and future preparedness   uh community engagement where uh there's an  inclusive environment where diversity and bonds   are strengthened uh so that the community that  Jericho has indicated they they have always felt   uh remains in intact um and technology  and innovation integrating uh artificial   intelligence and emerging tech into the curriculum  uh introducing robotics into the curriculum at the   elementary schools was a specific area that was  mentioned. Um so uh

025we we've kind of heard uh   it's great when you see the connection between  what people are saying in their aspirations and   what they're saying uh in the prior levels of  the sore analysis. Uh so technology was a big   theme that that came up in many different  ways. And then continuing with aspirations,   uh looking at character and values education,  character building. How can we uh continue to   develop and build character alongside of  academic achievement? Um so that it's not   uh over uh tilted in terms of academics, but  that we again see see that evenness to to our   approach and holistic development. uh encouraging  a well-rounded approach that encompasses social,   emotional, and academic growth for every Jericho  student. And some of these things like holistic de   uh development and character building are going to  sound alike, but

026we felt that they were distinct   enough to uh to uh build them out next to each  other. So, we always say the most important part   of the sore analysis is are the results because  these are the things that we're going to use to   say whether or not this plan is effective. uh what  will the results be or what are the results we   expect to show that we're making progress. And in  terms of asking the community for that, what we've   heard is regular surveys conducted with teachers,  students, and parents to ensure diverse voices   within the community are heard and integrated.  That there's a continuing engagement about this   plan that uh there are open communication channels  that actively involve teachers in the critical   decision-making process. uh and uh that there's  data analysis that occurs that collection of

027data   and that look at data to assess progress in all  the areas that are identified as goals uh and   specifically in the areas of reducing student  stress and anxiety levels effectively. Uh so   visible milestones what will be clear measurable  objectives that lead to visible improvements in   student engagement and daily behavior tracking  students well-being and staff morale. uh using   indicators of positive and productive school  climate and then regular updates to the community. And if I could just go back to this for one  moment, this is a really important slide because   this is how the stakeholders are saying they would  like to be updated on the progress as it's going.   this was coming directly from the exchange from  all of the stakeholders whether staff admin   um whoever it might have been community  members. So this really is

028is one to lean   into once everything is complete. So earlier  in the presentation Jim had talked about our   um producables and where we are and where we are  today is really about objectives and goals and   once that is finalized and and Dr. Kravitz meets  and and speaks with the board and the goals and   objectives feel like there's something that  everyone can lean into for the defined amount   of time of the plan which I think is going to be  three years. Then we will move into the action   steps. So the action steps will be crafted every  year by the admin team and then that will be   driving the work of what the district will look  like for that year. There will be no surprises.   Everyone will know where we're going. So the first  is really leaning

029into student well-being um and   creating an inclusive supportive environment that  prioritizes mental health etc. The two objectives   that were pulled as priorities from the data set  were one researching and implementing schoolwide   mental health initiatives by the 2728 school  year aiming to reduce anxiety as measured by   wellness assessments. with the second objective  making sure that 100% of the staff is trained in   mental health awareness and support strategies so  there is a consistent approach. Yes. So when you   say this is our strategic goal does that mean  most every action we take is directed towards   this goal? Yes. So for example um once this  is if these are the goals and objectives that   are adopted by the district then what'll happen  is the admin team will define what those action   steps will be for each objective so that

030we know  what we're going to be accomplishing and measuring   even more specifically. But every year that has  to change because if it's a multi-year goal,   then you basically will need different steps  that we'll be committed to and hold accountable   and report out to whether it's in the board  report, the community report, the newsletters,   making sure that those accomplishments are really  everyone knows, but I'm trying to understand how   you create a program where if your number  one strategic goal is student well-being,   how does that play into creating a high level  academic environment since in many respects those   two are in diametric opposition with each other.  I think what it's a really good clarification to   make uh strategic goal one doesn't mean it's  the highest goal. It's all of the goals and   you know we'll go through

031the goals uh which  address various parts of what we've already   uh discussed for example academics which is  definitely going to be within the goals that   the board's going to consider at least the ones  that that have been drafted for the board to   consider. So whether it's one, two, or three, it  the the placement uh is not meant to say this is   a higher goal than that goal. what the I think  the one of the key pieces and I think what you   alluded to before which is so important is that  these priorities deal with uh the top areas that   have been identified by the school community so  that when the board has a decision to make about   a various one of the varied issues that come  before the board all the time and particularly   if they

032have to budget monies towards it they can  say does this fit into our strategic plan and is   it one of the goals that we've we've identified  for this year. Uh and that should be a critical   consideration about supporting whatever decision  is made. Not that there can't be exceptions   because there are things that come up that  sometimes, you know, um will surpass, you know,   what's on the strategic plan. But it provides  uh a basis for the board to come back to and   say within this given school year, this is what  we've identified as our top goals and the things   that we are accomplishing and making decisions  on should fit into this whenever uh possible. And the idea of the academic achievement is that  that is at the top of once the plan on the page   is

033done we had dialogued about that being at the  top 100% because that is something that drives   that Jericho is known for right so that continues  with all of these things occurring simultaneously.   The second goal uh in no particular order that was  looked at was the resource utilization and making   sure that resources are optimized for the learning  environment. Now, we could certainly continue to   add language about the high achieving as making  sure that's a part of every goal without question.   And then when you were looking at the feedback  and all of the thoughts and the information that   was coming back, it was really centered around  classroom technology and maximizing that and   making sure that, you know, there was a lot of  commentary about some of the programs that were in   the classroom that might have had

034more of a gaming  component to it and kind of really making sure   that we remove some of those items. And it was  really about conducting the classroom evaluation   of technology identifying the adjustments  to reduce that technology where appropriate   imple implementing usage policies uh to reduce  non-education screen time and increase focus   engagement. There was a lot of information about  non-education screen time being at the forefront   but the action steps are where the work is being  done within those. And then the third goal was   really about safety and future ready um learning  environments, security measures, um AI practices   and the two objectives centered around there  are regarding AI and security measures. Uh and   [clears throat] those were the three goals when  we had dialogues. Of course, some districts may go   with the fourth goal. That's always an

035option as  well. these came to the forefront from the content   um with the idea that student achievement  certainly we can continue to state that as   an explicit goal but that's really the culture of  the district. So talking about all the things that   are being done simultaneously to maintaining  student achievement in the school district. So, I'm going to stop there before we round out  and I think you guys will have dialogue about some   of the goals and objectives that were drafted,  but we want to be able to answer any questions   on the road here or the identification of the  goals and objectives of where we are thus far.   Can you clarify what's the next step? It's a good  question. So once the goals and objectives are   adopted, if this is where the district determines  to land,

036if there's a conversation that you have,   you want to go back, but once the  goals and objectives are finalized,   then what we will do is we will work with  Dr. Kravitz to set up a time to come in and   work with the administrative team bringing forth  these are the goals and objectives that have been   identified and really having um really a half a  day so to say where the administrative team is   identifying the actions that they are seeing for  this upcoming school year that will fit under   each of those objectives. And once all of that  brainstorm is done really we will work with Dr.   Kravitz and anyone else at that table to really  streamline and identify those action steps that   would be for this upcoming school year so that  this plan on the page is

037ready for publication   presentation and is just it's what you'll leave  with starting July one. So this work will happen   over the summer and and then at what point does  the community does the board get to see in a   year's time we get to see this is where we're  at. this is what we actually accomplished like   we wrote everything out but a report card so  to speak. Yes. And and that report card really   goes back to what the community was saying the  indicators of success have to be that they're   looking for. So ideally having the action steps  done before July 1st would be great. Um just   because you want to start the year because things  happen in the summer and it gets busier. So really   you want to begin the year with that. begin all of 

038the board conversations around that convocation,   school meetings, school goals are should school  and departmental goals ideally over the summer   should be built on this plan and the action steps  that are identified what however they may be   whether it's qualitative and quantitative however  it's organized accordingly and ready to go at the   start of the year everyone knows a direction  you're going then ideally you know and and this   would come from how you know you decide as your  communication whether it's a mid-year progress,   an end of the year progress. I mean, that's really  district level decision- making. But at a minimum,   at the midpoint of the school year,  and at the close of the school year,   there should be progress reported about the  action step completion. So, you know, generally,   usually around December, January, the admin team 

039gets together, talks about what they've done,   what still needs to be done, that's reported. Uh,  same thing at the close of the school year. Uh,   that has to be progress monitored. Some districts  may decide to put that up on the website and make   sure that the community is aware. Um some again,  you know, the the opportunities are bound endless,   right? You can do it in the weekly board reports.  It could happen in a board of education meeting   in the newsletters that go out. That's that is  really um at the superintendent's discretion.   Yes. I apologize if I show this. You said there  were 718 respondents, I think, earlier on.   Do you know the makeup of those respondents?  Were they all parents? Were they teachers? Were   they students? So, we did not drill that down.  We don't

040have that drilled down to be able to   identify whether they were that's not um [clears  throat] that was not a part of the exchange. But   what we are I don't think it was students respond  like was this sent I don't remember who it was   sent to. That's what I'm trying to understand. It  was mostly sent to parents. Correct. And staff I   believe. Right. Yes. So staff, so when you go  back to the slide, your shot, the question I   had and and maybe um No, not [snorts] this the one  we were at where you had before I started asking   my question. The results. Yeah, the results.  Okay. The first one that you had this one. Yes.   It talks about student engagement and daily  classroom behavior that we want to increase,   improve it. I would expect that

041the staff, if  they're responding to this, aren't saying, "We're   doing a bad job keeping our students engaged and  instilling good classroom behavior." So, I would   expect that milestone came from the parents. And  I'm trying to understand how the parents would   know about daily classroom behavior and student  engagement. So, I I'm sort of I'm not trying to   question the findings. I'm trying to understand  given you guys have spent a lot of time thinking   about this. How do I tie that together? Unless Dr.  Hardette wants to say that his people don't think   his people are doing a good job. No, I would never  say that. Exactly. So, I I I don't understand how   we're supposed to what we're supposed to do. One  thing I would caution uh everyone about is saying   that anyone's doing a bad job

042because I don't I  don't believe that that's a bad I wouldn't expect   that that a teacher would say yes, I've got to  figure out a way to improve. Yeah. might not   have been from how but we did you know all members  well you know we're all most of us are parents and   we have probably have opinions about what happens  in the classroom [laughter] so the by opening this   up to the community we say every stakeholders's  input is important and one of the reasons that we   utilize the instrument that we do is that we also  look for ratings so that this isn't a voice in the   wilderness you you know that's just loud and and  gets heard. Um the milestones and the well-being   monitoring and right all of these pieces too will  also be put out

043in front of the administration as   we were saying out in front of the leadership team  to craft action steps around those folks have a   framework of the district in their mind. They're  in the classrooms. They see the instruction that's   happening. They have contact daily contact  with the teaching staff. So the this has to be   something that um that we hear uh and that is put  into a practical um method of implementation that   isn't um that isn't divorced from reality. I think  that's where your at least the way I'm hearing   your thoughts. We don't we we don't want to craft  a plan around uh perceptions from folks who may   not have firsthand knowledge of it. Um however you  know to be fair too we did meet we had and we had   great participation by the staff

044uh in terms  of the the forum that we had with them. Um so   um everybody has had input into some piece of the  plan. One of the reasons we don't identify roles   is we thought it it's very important to have  anonymity involved in this so that people feel   they can give their input without having any kind  of perceived repercussions. So things that could   be used necessarily to identify someone uh really  we we try to avoid that so that it's just an open   sle but there's a positive and a negative that  could go with that. Yes. Um thank you. I think   that's helpful. In terms of the anonymity piece, I  was going to mention even if you were to split up   the 700 plus participants by role, there's still  aggregate data. So, you probably couldn't gauge,  

045you know, of the cohort, how many I imagine  there's a couple hundred at least parents,   a couple several, you know, tens of staff at  least. So I would imagine that even if you would   have split it up very broadly to parent community  and staff and potentially keep administration   teachers within one hour, you still would be able  to at least understand some of what Sam was asking   in terms of inclassroom activities and who's  bringing that up as a possible challenge. And   in terms of all of the goals and objectives, um  something like I mean student anxiety measurement,   I imagine there are validated tools that we can  use and I know Dr. mentioned that to us from   the CTA standpoint that these are something that  they've been thinking about. But do all of these   objectives, not this

046one in particular, but the  subsequent slides have measurable ways to look at   it the idea of engagement in the classroom which  right now I imagine you want a baseline and then   to see how it improves. How is that measured?  Because that might be another way to look at this   particular area. So when we get to the action step  portion of it, one of the reasons that that or one   of the roles that we play in in that process is uh  as the district leadership is suggesting this will   work here in this part of the district, we will  continue to reinforce the framework that this must   be measurable. How are we going to measure that?  So um as those ideas are generated uh they'll be   written in a smart fashion you know uh so that the 

047there is a an accountability attached to each goal   and it's very clear how that will be measured uh  even to the point of saying we will use this type   of instrument or this type of data collection to  measure that goal. So do all the objectives that   you've posed so far have the ability to turn into  a smart objective? Yes, absolutely. And you had   asked a great question. Very often the wellness  assessments will have the component for a parent,   staff member, students where you're able to  really pull out components of that that do   ask questions about engagement in items as such  that come straight from the students. Yes. Just   to go back to what Mr. Cronin was talking about  the idea of this objective of engaging students.   One of the things that I think we talked

048about  earlier was to continue to do this that this   is part of what Jericho the Jericho teachers  and this the community deeply values that we   can't deliver rigor [laughter] without that  engagement and we keep pushing that and as   most teachers [laughter] know my period three  class engaging period 3 might be completely   different than how I have to engage period five.  So the techniques can change from year to year,   but they can change from period to period. And  I think as a community and as teachers, that's   a great part of our desire to continue to keep  learning and changing and evolving to deal with   what's in front of us as we encounter different  types of students, different types of technologies   and changing curriculum that goes along with it.  So that's um so we you picked top

049three topics   out of everything. Do you have any backup plans  if these topics didn't work out? So for example,   do you have any scientific way to prove let's say  we adopting one of the Chromebooks um 30% reduce   book using how do we know scientifically that 30%  of Chromebook use is going to be have a negative   impact or positive impact? How are we going  to come to that resol? So, and I think you're   referencing the device usage policies, right? So,  that's a great question and I think where we would   need to start with that is having a conversation  with the leadership team about what does that   look like in the district, talking about the usage  policies, taking a look at um how really setting   guidelines right for the classroom. uh looking at  filters, ensuring that the

050programs are aligned,   everyone's on the same page with what we are  using, what we're not using, how much time is   agreed in the classroom for what that looks like.  And then um certainly you're able to look, you set   filters, decide what your programs are, and then  administrators are really setting the tone with   their departments or their grade levels about what  that looks like in the classroom. But it's really   defining what that looks like in its entirety.  And sometimes it might even just be removing the   mystery out of um opinion to a degree. So it  may not be happening everywhere, but you can   read the thoughts to see there is a mindset that  there is uneven usage and that it might not all   be engaging. So there might be an element of  just bringing your community

051on the same page   and all of your stakeholders with that mindset  with how technology is used in the classrooms. There's also a lot of research right around   um are we overusing it in classrooms and  and do we need to find that better balance   and there is definitely a feeling in in your  community through the thought those who are   engaged in the thought exchange that there  might be some um finetuning on that balance. So it's our starting place and it's the  information that's been brought out and   we are giving that but we know that you need to  have dialogue as a as a board as a team and then   bring that feedback back and if we got to we have  to go back to take a look at some of these and   throw some out and

052say we want a priority in  a different area that's okay too. So to back   to Mrs. Mark's question. The next step is for  the board to speak with senior management and   figure out accept, reject, adjust, and then  and then give you guys the go-ahhead to move   forward with them to come up with the action  steps that meet the objectives that supply the   goals. Correct. Correct. And that is something  that certainly is a district level you decide   where you are with that and we will work with  you no matter where you fall. And if you want   us to look at some different data points or  pull out different areas, we're happy to do   that with Dr. for sure. That's the district  goals district goals goals building goals.   One day we'll get to executing goals. Doing  something

053one day. We spent a lot of time creating   goals. Anything Mr. Sharpstein? You're new to  this. [laughter] Well, by the way, he he does   this all the time, so get used to it. He had the  opportunity to leave after she was granted. Yeah,   that's what you should have left. [laughter] I'm  glad I No, just just for tonight. I don't mean it.   I agree the overall goal right I mean certainly  you could have a dedicated goal that's saying you   are maintaining exceeding your academic um growth  but that can certainly be something that is at the   top like that expectation covers everything  but really this is where people's thoughts   are and their hearts are right now it's top of  mind for them thank you thank you so [applause] Yeah. With the blessing of the other board members, 

054I think we want to excuse me evening. Anyone   have a problem with that? Thank you, Miss  Sen. Maybe we'll see you on Hope you have   another exam Tuesday. Oh, then we won't see  you Monday night. Unless you want to come. Thank you. All righty. Unfinished business table approved tableabling the second reading  of the following policy. sections 1,000,   sections 20,000. Section 3000 except  3271, 3280, and 3430. Section 4,000,   section 5,000, except 5741, and section  6000. Do I have a motion? Thank you,   Mr. Barb. Second. Thank you, Dr. Balachand.  All in favor of tableing those sections and   policies by vote. Thank you. New business be  resolved. That the board of ed accept the first   reading of the follow following policies. 3271  solicitation of charitable donations. 3280 use   of school facilities. 3430 which is currently  called diversity equity

055and inclusion and 5741   artificial intelligence. Do I have a motion?  Thank you Mrs. Barnoff. Second. Thank you Mr.   Jim. Discussion. Why don't we start with  3271 solicitation of charitable donations? I believe Mr. Superintendent, you were concerned  about the appropriate guidance that you wanted in   that policy. You feel that you have gotten the  proper guidance and um take your time. It was   there was a there were two drafts I can show. I  gave it to you. There's a Boseis draft and then   Mr. Goodat was kind enough to distribute his draft  based on his understanding of the comments. Um, we   are Does anyone The superintendent has indicated a  preference for the Ingramman drafted 3271? All of   these were included in the board package. Anyone  have any issues with it? I just have a question.   We the polic

056move from the original the part  that elaborates upon like who can and who cannot   solicit donations. We discussed this last time it  was suggested maybe the statement should be 501c3   designated organizations or um if it's not here is  it elsewhere who can and cannot solicit donations   on school grounds. Well, this is with it's  with the approval of the superintendent schools because in the old one it said that  the board decides then so now it's just if you wanted to we could figure out a way  for the second week to work determine that   the superintendent um if he's going to deny  a 501c3 that he's got to tell the board he's   denying it or or something like that where  like 501c3 automatically gets approval but   maybe if he's going to deny a 501c3 he's  got to

057but anybody can appeal that to the   board so it's sort of that wasn't actually the  part that so much who makes that decision it's   just kind of like what is the decision based  upon like what organizations are permitted are I think I don't have the old state organizations. No, I believe No, that was the other policy that we  talked about last time. That was the   one about political advertising. Well,  we don't have to list that here as well. The other one was for advertising. Well, that  was talking about political activities. This   is we were not. So, we don't need the  501c3 language would be beneficial, but You don't need it. If you want to add it, we  can. No, you're saying so if someone came in,   I want to raise it for this 501c3. You

058say the  superintendent wouldn't really have a basis   to say no. again as long as the educational  process of course then it becomes discretion which he's so discreet all righty let's go to 3280 use of school  facilities just as an aside whatever made   this way the agenda was not was I don't  know what happened the printing. It's not   the version that I sent like it's missing  pages. I printed it right from the website   today and it looks like it starts with page  10 of the policy and it's missing pages one   and two. I don't know what I don't know what  happened. Is this the one that was attached   to the email? The one the attach email is  fine. The one that's packet is not fine. I'm confused. I believe this discussion board. I don't know what

059I have 32. Is it 327? It's  number 3270. It was 3270, but then it really   is 32. So what is it? What should it be?  3270. Correct. Yes. Bose is reading number. I'm sorry. So the new draft is going to be 32. This is the one that's only like a page  and a half. You're saying it should be   10 pages. I started reading that and I was  attached to something where I thought that   was the wrong policy and I thought you'd  really taken our short brief our gravity no   uh objectives to heart. No, not on not  on this one. I think it should be bridg but others can others can comment. I  I'm happy if anyone else knows it. I'm   sure I agree with the four and if  not we'll get it on a second

060read to see you have the right policy. It sounds  like I know I when I printed everything I'm   not going to I mean it's 10 pages I'm  not going to make everyone sit here I   can probably do that in two minutes but I mean  I guess one question we had made rules last year this is what we didn't like the board didn't like  in the last meeting we talked about how basically   everything that was discussed previously was  gutted and so the easiest way to fix a thing   that's being gutted is to put it back in. So  this is the policy that was already so like   for example I don't I don't remember if that  there's a 9:00 cut off like if there's like a   men's basketball that's the gym like they have  to leave at

0619. It used to be 11 in the old I   do have the old policy here that we did in 2023.  That was 11 p.m. Well, I'm just saying that that   says 11 p.m. Okay, we can make it 11. I do know  that there's a bunch of community people that I don't know, you know, I don't  know what time the building uh during school question that I had was is it reasonable to say  um organizations must provide written applications   at least 45 days in advance. I thought we had  to be as practical as I mean some things are   practical but you remember when this policy  was added there was a reason why it was the   reason why no I I understand but you can do it  as practical obviously an event pops up that's   two weeks

062away yeah we're going to do that bar  just because okay so I'll make sure the practical just another question. So this this is the  same policy that um kind of like apply if we   were hosting um agree to host like a debate  tournament or like a multi school event,   right? In that case more than 50% of the  participants are not here residents. So,   do we need to take that out?  Well, in that situation,   it might be it might be a licensing  agreement which doesn't follow the follow if you don't do that. You would  have it run the same as this. I don't remember having  50%. I think we had some res application requirements. Number one,   at least one of the participants must  be a school district residing value. Yeah, what do we want to do?

063I  would bet I don't think 50% the whole purpose of it is is because it's a  school district building. It's it's been paid   for by the taxpayers of the school district  and for one person let's say it's 100 people   and one person's right. Why is one person  being a jerk resident being allowed to use   a jer a taxpayer facility? Yeah. So that that  was a lot of school a lot of school districts,   you know, actually have 75% but 50% saying if  we have a debate tournament in here that's that   would be through a different process. That's  going to be why is that a different process?   School sponsored event. School sponsored event  opposed to community use facilities. Community   used facilities is the basketball league that's  running at night. Yeah. The little league. You   don't want plain

064old bet to be [snorts] using  your little league fields when they can use   their little league. They can use their schools.  That's the purpose of this policy. It's not for   an extracurricular debate tournament that's run  through the debate club or for like even again   extra justic sports like your like swimming  or any of that. That's not what this is.   This is for outside entities who  wish to use your property for events. There was like a there used to be  a radio thing that used to ask the   ham radio. They wouldn't fit into that formula% remember the hand people they wanted  to have their their conference. Look,   we also used to have there used to be doesn't  exist anymore the flag football league that   it ended up being mostly play in the J flag  football league

065because if you think about it   these these people using your facilities using  your custodian using your fields using your   resources your resources. Yeah. So the reason  why you put you put a 50% threshold on there is   that if he the people that are using this facility  are Jericho residents well then that makes sense.   taxpayers are going. Yeah, your taxpayer dollars  are going to people who are using those. Can   we somehow get information before we make this  decision on who's been using it and if it's been right%arily So with this J obviously is I  can't think of besides that% would be anything that school sponsor I think what Mr. very very reasonable  [laughter] I mean I guess we could   have the superintendent make you know Yeah,  but then we can't that's a slippery slope. Only other

066ones I think are school. Yeah. It's a chess club or it's whatever it is. But I like I've been through this. So I'm with you guys on  the 50%. Mr. Citron, who's who's actually who's   actually diligencing the people before they walk  in. Hey, you're a D res. Well, no. Anyone who went   down to 50% could end up being less. Correct.  But but at least we have the right to check   if we realize that they're taking advantage of if  they're completely lying then at least we'll have   if it's two people and at least we should have  it in policy. True. I have another question about   the user fee. Do we charge a user fee for our  facilities? We do. Where is charges? Um charges required and things that happen during the week.  We're here till 11.

067So it wouldn't be like an   additional charge. It's more like Saturday or  Sunday. And even this building on Saturday,   it's running pretty much all day anyway. But if  anything requires additional facility support security for use of our facilities  on days where we already have an organization requesting to use our facilities if they decide before our again there's no necessarily additional  security that we will be all the other major ones and just to clarify the fees it'sable so  there's no schedule but there was schedule We have traditional we have traditionally and  other districts do this. We traditionally have   not dance studios, private uh companies that are  coming in and using the facilities there. I could   see charging an actual rental fee. The ones that  that we have again JA it's just there's no other school but

068we have agreements contract that's  yeah they that we charge that's a license that's   a license agreement. So under education  144 there's certain provision certain w   certain reasons that people can use property  under this facility use policy even that falls   outside it such that require a license. your pool  use in your pool that falls outside of I guess that we're partnering doing municipal facility this agreement solely for  organizations such as men's basketball   league at night interal sports little  league stuff like that. That's what this   is. What about um I think a couple years  ago they had 150 people to do some kind of like you talking to the teachers the teachers the  teacher event that caused all the commotion and   the change of the policy. Well, that was actually  I think the change of the policy

069really was the   Chuck Schumer event, but we could contribute  that. But that's what I wanted to run through   a couple of examples like Mr. Jyn is talking  about. So I mean my understanding is we still   do those types of events for teachers which  I was not aware until someone told me about   that a couple weeks ago. We still run teacher  educational events teacher education events where   we have teachers from other districts come here.  Is is this Jericho sponsored or you're talking   about it's an outside organization like is not  a Jericho organization. They use it different. This is I won't bring it up until  someone told me it was coming up. So   those things under this policy who  would make that decision on head. No, it wouldn't qualify. I mean according to this  if we pass

070this because it's not a school sponsor.   It's not a Jericho sponsored event. If you have if  you have 30 Jericho teachers and 29 teachers from   other districts, it becomes a Jericho 50% event.  So, who's making that decision? Technically,   the superintendent of schools is the person  who makes the detmination. Would he be able   to turn that down if it's 50% or no?  How would he know though? I'm just let res Oh, residents because it's not just  Jericho teachers. That would have once again   he was saying this is school property taxpayer  taxpayers are paying for running the facility.   There's resources. It's not Jericho teachers or  Jericho employees would not qualify for that.   almost said Jericho residence. Jericho residents.  Yeah. Right. Of course, if they overlap, but I'll   give you a couple of examples that I'm aware of. 

071They uh one I think was happening at the beginning   of this year. Uh so custodial. Um so they have a  facilities organization. Just because I want to   have this for Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. So [clears  throat] they have a facilities organization and   each year they they have the workshop the annual  workshop for custodians in a different district.   Um so when I was here we sponsored it and  but there were other custodians from other   uh districts that came to be a part of  professional development for custodians.   Um there was another this hasn't happened in two  or three years but with transportation they have   a bus safety um day where again it depends that  each year it'll change the district this way   every district is gets a chance to host it.  Uh but again that's professional development  

072for the transportation drivers. So what's the  answer? What's going to happen those instances?   I mean that's something we've done and  I wouldn't want I would want district   sponsoring that I would want this is for outside  groups not school district not school district   wanting to run wanting to run okay that's I'm  just trying to clarify want to make sure that   this is for outside groups okay so let's make  sure that that doesn't get included so go back   to the real example so state assembly then  calls up and says I want to have a an event   at your front circle talking about school safety  which happened to you something like that. Well,   what's who's making the decision on that? What's  the requirement to allow that to happen? Well,   in in the agree in this again depending  on

073what the event we got rid of we added   no political events. Oh, but but I agree.  But then you get into the interpretation.   Is it a political event or is it a is it is it  a real safety event? Who's making that decision? That was 50% residence. That was% res that No,  I'm [clears throat] saying so who's who's making   that decision? Ultimately, the application  process is denied by the superintendent. Okay. So So that I I understand the answer.  So that's why I try. So someone calls up and   files an application. Is there an application  timeline in this? We have it as supposed to   be 45 days before the event as practical.  Obviously, you know, something might happen   in which the event is scheduled 20 days ago and  they need and that might not be able

074to follow.   Can we add language for those type of situations  where the superintendent can make the decision but   the board can [cough and clears  throat] get involved against it. Yeah. But if it's short notice, we're talking about  short notice where it's like, oh, 8 a.m. so and so   is in town and they they want to do this. I don't  want to get into this situation where different   everybody wants to get have their picture taken  with the prom queen with the prom queen Jericho   High School and you know everybody wants someone  wants to announce something they want to come here   and do it and we're now having a process where  we're selecting who's able to do who's not able   to do it because the politicians in town they  call up and they say I'd like to

075do you know make   this announcement here next week tomorrow And  it's like okay yes and then the next guy calls   up and he says no Dr. Kravitz being his discret  using his great discretion. We'd never do that,   but we're trying to build policy for the long  term. How do we how do we compensate for that?   Let me ask let me ask another hypothetical  I can understand. I love hypotheticals. Um,   you know, someone's trying to open a new hotel  in the neighborhood and there's 100 community   members who are against it. where can and  they say, "You know what? We can't find a   safe place to have our rally. You want to have  it in the front circle of Jericho High School on a Saturday." Now, on a Saturday on a Saturday  or Sunday morning and there

076and I mean I assume   they're not even going to file an application,  but if they're Jericho residents, do we have the   ability to park buses in front of the entrance  so you can't walk onto the property? Yeah. Yeah,   I mean there just again you're we're we're  thinking about this very specific. Absolutely.   Because these are real world scenarios. What  I mean by that is you're thinking about 50%   residence. Do I have to allow that? You're miss  there's other things in this policy that these   entities have to have that we're forgetting.  There needs to be insurance. They need to sign   they need to sign the permit waiver. They need to  have they need to hold harmless. There's a lot of   other things that they might not be able to meet.  But Chuck Schumer didn't sign the hold

077harmless.   She didn't sign an insurance policy question, but  that that event in particular again technic I'm   trying to think of the best way to say it. It's  not again this is he can't do a press conference   on Yes. in my opinion. Yes. Which is Well,  no. In my opinion, he can't do a political No,   he can't do a political event on front line, but  yes, it could be called a press conference. Again,   that's We're still Why do Can I Can I just Why  do Jericho Why would Jericho residents let's say   50 Jericho residents need insurance if we're the  actual taxpayers already paying for this building?   Because if they fall and get hurt on your property  playing in your B playing basketball in your gym,   they're going to sue the Jera school district.  But that could

078happen on a Tuesday afternoon.   You're absolutely right. But for the people  who come onto your property at 9:00 p.m. at   night to play basketball. Yes. And if they they  pull a hamstring and they want to sue the school   district. Yes. We want the district to make  sure that they're even though they're going   to be sued anyway because that always happens  that there's insurance and dennification that   somebody else will ultimately have to be on the  hook for that because we are letting them use   our property. And by ours I mean yours. I'll  give you another example that happened. So no   given to Mr. Vince that he gave us an answer.  I told him the answer. If you you may remember   this that the DEC came and did a presentation  to very angry residents because of the

079plume   um of chemicals that was underneath the park or  something like that. And we had them to um we   allowed them to come and do a presentation. Anyone  was invited. It was primarily our residence,   but there could have been plenty of other  residents there as well. It wasn't important.   It was a separate uh night. Um I mean it's not a  political event. It was to talk about the safety.   It was informationational. But that's another  example that kind of I feel like is somewhat   outside of this. I I agree with you. But at least  there there wasn't a politician. There wasn't an   elected official giving official that was an in  my view. But I don't know a problem like if the   people who are building the huge electrical lines  and just escaping propels went and said

080you know   what I understand there's you know community  concern about this we'd like to come and give   a presentation um and invite the community member  wants to hear about how we're going to be ripping   up 107 and causing all these delays and who's  signing off on that and if it's less than 45 days   because no one's planning these things 45 days  and minutes. What's the process under this policy?   And making decisions for Propel. You're u the  Propel. They're inviting people other than Yeah.   They they're saying we're we're holding an event  here. They have no idea who's going to show up,   but they're holding 10 across Nassau. They're  like, we expect most people who show up are going   to be terrible people, but there's no way for  them to know in advance. There's no way to

081know.   That's the same example. Yes. That's what I was  saying. I'm kind of like, what do we do? Again,   that would probably be signed off by the school  again. Right. Who's the school then? The board   or the superintendent? It's the superintendent.  Again, the board doesn't have the ability to meet   every five minutes to be able to approve these  things. Okay. But if Okay, and that's fine. And   the question then becomes, say Propel says they're  not going to do, they're not going to do it on two   minutes notice. They're going to say, you know, in  two weeks we want to do a town hall for Jericho.   They obviously can't meet the 45day requirements.  And now we're into exception land. Well, no,   we we put as practical. Okay. As practical.  Sorry. Two weeks. Superintendent now says fine,  

082we're going to allow that to happen. And I'm  not using propellant. So, I want to change it   to whomever. Superintendent says yes. There are  a majority or all of the boards saying we don't   want to be involved in this. Can the board  then go back and overrule the super granted   that permission? Can they do that on their own  valition without anyone appealing to the board?   You would have to convene a meeting and make a  motion and make a formal motion just like this.   Oh no, that's the same process, but they  could do that on their own relation. Say,   "We heard that so and so is having a meeting here.  The superintendent has allowed them to use our   property. We don't want to be involved with this."  Board can say we're having a special meeting. They  

083give notice. They meet. They say, "We do not want  these people here. Don't do it." Can you sure? Perfect. was open for interpretation. That was a problem. That was a problem.  It is a problem. Again, this is not for posterity. I understand. No, we care about  Mr. Ben. But any um you know, this is a problem   across all that. This is not a jerical problem.  No, that's why I thought you'd have an easy answer   for us. There's never an easy answer because it's  always at the eye of the person in charge. Okay,   perfect. At least we have answers and they're  recorded. Anybody else on whatever we're at 3280? I'm going to mix it up and go 5741 artificial  intelligence. We can hear from Mr. Jim. I save the   easiest for last. So there as everyone

084seen the  package there are two current suggestions. Um did   both have some policy on it that we all hated? Of  course there was nothing in there about it. Yes.   I think Mr. Jen said it was I'm gonna miss his  words. I apologize. It was awful. And that led   him to create his Oh. So I have the Oh, we have  both. We have yours and we have his. All right.   Then I don't again you know his but they're  both he's I have it in front. I'm sorry I got   confused for a second. 5840. So we have three.  Yes. My 5741's really 5840. I don't know where   that number. Yeah. That was close. Anyway, um  I guess the first question how much of this and   this will then be to your policy. How much of  this should

085be board policy versus how much of   this should be company policy? Yeah. I I would  I would tell you that you don't really want to   hamstring yourself with regards to having  I know that's counterintuitive to most of   the policies we have here. Um but AI in general  and as Mr. J I'm sure will agree with is a very   fluid process. It expands and changes on a daily  basis and AI platforms go all over the place and   for you to have to every time something changes  for you to have to do a board do a board first   read and second read in order to change your  policy to adopt the new AI tool that may or   may not be used. It's a problem. Um but again  legally of course you can you can you can be  

086very restrictive in the policy. Um there are just  a couple of things I know with very before before   we get to Mr. Do you have a response to that?  What do you have an opinion on what should be   you feel board policy versus operating policy? I  think um we can definitely you know like how the   teacher is using it, how the students using it,  we can definitely put that in code of conduct,   right? We can definitely move those out. I think  the most importantly I said in the email that the   vendor would definitely need a policy for that  because data governance is very important for   the school and I agree with that 100%. Right. And  the the thing is with regards to data privacy and   security um generally speaking education law 2D is  where your

087where your governance is. So policy not   understanding the law speaks for itself for what  happens. Purpa is another thing all contracts all   vendors and again there's a difference between AI  platforms that Jericho Union for school districts   are using that's through contracts right and those  contracts are going to have the provisions that we   are that that are concerned you know that data  privacy data security fa all those things and   those vendors are signing off and most of those  most of these AI companies through posties have   education law 2D contracts that are already  completed and they have been approved in which   they have to comply. They sign the parent bill  of rights and all those things. I understand but   there's a difference with a policy a software  company say I'm going to comply with the verba   um

088law and there's a difference between AI company  I'm going to comply with law so the AI technically   if a company use your um use your data there's  different way to use it the data can be sitting   on the cloud data can be sitting our our server  there's two things that the data is on our server   we control the data because it's in our server  we have to control. If there's on their server,   they have control. Now, hold on, let me finish.  When the data is on their server, that means that   their server can get hacked. And you know what  AI can do with the data? The hackers can use   that data to manipulate and to use the different  type of hackings. But um for software companies,   they can't do that. Software company says, I'm I'm 

089going to apply I'm not going to delete anything   out and this is it. After we're done, we're going  to delete it. But AI you can train on your data.   So it it stays with the the model learn with  it. Well the first issue and again I agree with   you and I understand the concerns with the hacking  and everything else. I saw there was an article in   News Day recently about data privacy in schools.  I I completely agree. The just the thing I have   to say regarding that is with regards to these  these agreements that these AI companies have   to sign in the event that they're going to do  business. They need to provide a data security   plan in which they are setting forth how their  data data is being stored, who has access to it,  

090what has access and also people should not be  putting in those personal data data prompts   into AI through Jericho. And again, that's the  issue in and of itself. And to the extent that   that is happening, that's more of an issue. And  that's the policy that I drafted was more more   constrained to that as to what really are the  prompt that should be used. Again, I could put   a prompt into AI that says, "Help me draft this  book report on James Madison." And again, I hope   no person's actually using AI to put to create a  book report on James Madison, but whatever. Um,   but they're not putting in their name. They're  not putting in the education, the personal   identifiable information. That's addition. So  here, so here's the thing. The a I think the the   difference between

091AI, your understanding and my  understanding is different. So what you're talking   about is a student someone using AI with chat and  talking you know talking to the AI and putting the   information that's what you're referencing to.  So I'm going to give you a second example. Um   P school they're introducing some kind of an AI  system called power body. So what it does is it   collecting the intelligent data platform navigator  school LMS. So that means power school is going to   connect with AI and AI will have every single data  in P school and they can do a lot with that data.   Well, the good thing is power school they have  their own policies. They state that they your data   is yours. They will never train your data. They  have those kind of policy in place. Um

092whatever   is yours, you won't delete it. You you can do  whatever you want with it. So that's good. That   kind of vendor is considered low risk. Right now  moving on to another company called Skillstrap.   That's because we're paying for that company  and they have safeguards in place. We're we're   actually contacting them. Right. Right. But then  if you go to Another company called Skillstruck,   their policy is very big. It's very big. They're  just saying, "Oh, um, we we comply with the   verbal," but they don't mention about what do they  do with the data. They don't mention about like,   "Are they're not going to train your data."  That would be an illegal contract. Well,   I don't know. I don't That's That's the point. So,  that would be that that would not be in compliance   to educational, right?

093They have to do those  things. They need to say what their plan is and   and the DPA the data privacy officer is supposed  to review that plan in order to ensure that it   does meet compliance. Again, this the this  policy the intent of this specific policy is   really regarding the instructional use of AI  in the general school districts. That's what   this policy is the intent of. And so that's the  reason why it's drafted or at least my at least   version that I drafted is written in that such a  way. regarding use of AI in school district for   educational purposes. What what I can tell  you is in terms of um private companies,   they have a much stricter contract um requirement  as well as policies for signing contract with AIS   and the way that our policy

094is written is too  [snorts] relaxed for school. That's what I can   tell you. So if we go by the way that was written  right now, I think we're going to get lost in the   future. That's that's my opinion from from people  like any it could be anything just students or   data leaking or I mean you don't know. You don't  know. I think you're taking into account the   BUA and the I think that's that's exactly what I  meant. But it we can't enter into a contract with   any of these companies unless they're compliant  with that. So that's my whole point. We need to   put in the policy that make sure that they comply  with sign contracts that say they're companted by this. It's sorry it's state law. So the  providers have to in order to sell

095inside of a   school district, you have to comply with state  law. New York has some of the strictest laws,   right? In order to sell to Jericho  or any other district AI systems,   you have to adhere to the policies according to  the law. The second set of this which everyone's   missing is policy is irrelevant because that law  exists. The configuration side isn't within the   school's purview. So even if you buy the system,  if you don't configure it correctly, it's on you.   It's not on Google. It's not on OpenAI. It's  not on cloud. So that's what my policies. You   can't policy the configuration aspects of it.  That's that's a security posture that is within   SOCK 2 NIS 27001 like it's it's compliance that's  constantly changing. So there's yearly quarterly   assessments that ensure a district is secure  from

096that posture and those configurations are   required by the district. So um Larkin I believe  right here sorry [laughter] believe correctly   sorry. So he he would ensure the the systems are  configured correctly to adhere to the requirements   of the district to safeguard those things which  is I think a couple meetings ago I asked can we   block open AI because we're not paying for open  AAI but students on their Chromebook can access   chat GBT. So, if you block that, you're preventing  that free use of the system. The district can't be   held liable for a kid using a free system in any  way. That's like a kid saying, "I'm on Instagram,   but they're 12, but 13 is the threshold." Like,  you can't sue Instagram for that, right? Um,   so the systems that the district purchases,  whether it's Gemini,

097Flog, whatever, they just   have to be configured correctly, and those are the  only systems the kids should be able to use. No,   I agree. Um that's why there's a lot of um I don't  know if you get a chance to read the policy but   some of the policy the points I made was to having  a due diligence in configuration as well. So,   um, also I think there's one of them. Let's see.  They'll be outdated by the time you guys approve   it. And that's and that's the problem and that's  the reason why the policy that was that I provided   is you would call it you call it relax. I call it  more broad. And the reason I call it more broad is   because again the intention of this policy is to  what is the district's stance

098about the use of AI?   Generally speaking, it's that you will allow it,  but again under certain parameters. And again,   this actually I think the most important thing  here is really that people should not be putting   in data points that are PII and that would prevent  the issues involving the lawsuits and involving   the data breach involving all that. If we put in  data points that are very history specific and not   I'm going to use myself for example Steve goodstep  specific then there's going to be no there's going   to be no issue with the use of the AI because even  if it was stored in mind and whatever it's not my   PII it's just my research which is a different  which is a different prompt. So again, I I get   your point and to m to Mr.

099Bain's point, the fact  of the matter is I've looked at all AI policies   for the past couple of years and every year, every  district that's had an AI policy has had to change   it substantially for the sole purpose that AI  has changed. And even, you know, even some of   the things that are referenced in this this policy  regarding that has these legal references, some of   these legal references aren't even in effect  anymore just because of the fact that AI has   changed. But again, I I think it's one of those  things that's more operational policy opposed to   board policy. Again, the board policy should be  big picture. Does the school district allow AI   purposes? Again, with regards to Edlaw 2D, with  regards to per with regards to legal obligations,   in order for us to use a

100claude or a Gemini or a  paid AI program, there has to be a contract with   the Ed Law 2D requirements, which includes how  is data stored. Is it compliant with NIS 1.1,   which for now is still in effect as of September  1, it's going to be N 2.0. How is it stored at   how is it who who has it at rest? Who has access  to the platform? All those things are have to be   covered. That's that's fair. Um I think at at the  very least we should have a policy on how teacher   using AI to grade the students. That's a different  issue. Dr. Hartnett, are there people using AI to   grade students? Not that I know of, but I have  330 members, so I can't account for all of them.   I would find that it

101just doesn't seem to make  a lot of sense. I think I think I've heard some   students run an essay through what AI will say  about it and one of the things that when I've seen   those examples are so absurdly thorough that it  takes the human element out of it. So that's all I   know at this point. Would I see a teacher saying,  "Okay, I have a bank of multiplechoice questions   and therefore I'm looking to change around some  of those multiple choice questions so I can get,   for example, to prevent cheating from period 3  to 7 to work in a different, you know, to to use   the same material over again." Um, that's really  the examples that I've encountered. Dr. Sunberg,   you'd have a category. You'd have a subject area  where there would be a lot

102of interpretation of   interpretive essays that they might use AI to  judge. Anything you've heard from your people?   I I'm I'm not aware of anybody at this point  using AI to grade student writing. Um, there are   a number of tools that might have AI as part of  their construction that might generate questions   for students to take. They're more short answer or  multiple choice and might be a vendor that we use.   you would probably know more about them, but uh  uh they're used for homework to for students to   get feedback and maybe they're designed to make  questions get progressively harder or easier   depending on how the student is doing. They're  learning tools whether or not anything from that   becomes part of a grade. It's a whole other  philosophical question. These sorts of things   are coming. Uh I

103I think there's a difference  to say you're using AI to generate questions as   Dr. Hartner is saying or to score short answer or  multiple choice items than there is to interpret   an essay. Who's our AI committee right now? Do we  have a formal committee? Right. Tech committee,   but it encompasses AI as well. Mr. Jin, are  you on that committee? Is anyone using in the   district not to grade but to determine a student  has turned in AI work? Yes. Yes. That that to me   is problematic. It depends. Is it when they're  making a determination as to whether it's AI work?   Is it deagated? That's where the issue arises. Is  the name is it attached to something? So is it a   paper that says Steve Goodstat and that's being  submitted? because then that becomes potentially   a fura.

104Well, we have a contract I thought  for turn it in or something like that which   I assume would have if what you're saying is true  about contracts, it would have to be under fura.   And if that's the case, then that's okay. But the  consistency of those tools is my biggest problem.   And I don't think you could policy this, but I  think it's it's something worth understanding.   They're notoriously false flagging content as not  original, including Gettysburg Address and many   other things that are popular right now online  you could search. And these tools that supposedly   detect AI writing are taking some of history's  greatest literary works and saying it's AI,   which everyone knows is impossible. our kids  could potentially be false flagged for using   AI when they didn't. And that to me is I whether  you're grading

105it or not or you're flagging it is   problematic for the district. You're correct.  So you use the word understanding uh is more   important than policy. You're also correct in  that. Um so situational awareness there are some   situations where we have no choice. So turning  in things for College Board, for example, in in   our AP research class, we're required to run it  through certain tools and and and we have gotten   in conversations and resolve things sometimes, but  it's it's um there's no policy answer to to I just   want to give it's enough to say that if something  gets flagged, it's not just an automatic you throw   it out. There's there's there's a qualitative  process that then most definitely and it really we   use it as informational that we we have students  as a result AP seminar

106for example the college   board wants every student to run their research  paper through um turn it in and turn it in not   only will tell you whether they think some of  it's plagiarized or used in certain ways but also   will give a an an AI analysis of it too and we're  well aware because We watch students write these   and then we hear that it's AI. Like it goes back  to what Dr. Sunberg was talking about that we're   we're using this as information. We're saying this  is what it's saying to you about your paper. You   know, let's talk about whether there really are  any issues. For for example, with Turn It In,   if you leave your work cited in there, all of  a sudden the percentage of what you supposedly   plagiarized goes through the roof because

107they  think of all that as being plagiarized because   it's already reappearing material. So, there's  all of these things that are problems with it.   We use it only to tell the students, okay, what  what was your score and let's see if there's any   concerns with it. It's not and again, we watch  them do it. it doesn't affect their grade at   all. We're we're required by the College Board  to do it. So, we do it, but we only use it to,   you know, foster a discussion. And usually when  it comes to plagiarizing, none of it's plagiarized   because you're using sources, but it kind of tells  students that you're leaning too much into not   using your own writing and instead overly quoting  or something to that effect or not paraphrasing.   So, it becomes an informational tool, but not 

108something that ever hurts the students. I think   that's very important to get across. Should be a  teaching tool. Anytime you're using this gear to   be police and to catch cheaters, you're using it  wrong. You should be using it for instruction and   and even before it was an AI tool. The old turn,  it was that way too. and think if that's the case,   we we then we should put it put a positive  that you should be using grading because I   I seen teachers grading with uh the essay um  in sixth grade in sixth grade. How do you know   they're again I'm not looking for anything.  How do you know they're grading with AI? Cuz   because I double check course reference and and I  literally got an AI response for for that essay.   Sorry. I know. What

109do you brisk teaching?  Like you could you could because I I have   access to brisk teaching teaching and and what  it what it does is you put um uh you put your   essay into into the AI and then you you kind  of go through like oh how's the writing the   um the pronunciation the grammar everything and  it give you a score and literally copy and paste   and just oh this is your score and you've seen  that from a teacher and I got it. Yeah. Exactly.   I would recommend you share that information with  the lady at the end of the table, Dr. Sherman.   But I think as of today, and I the problem I  have with that is in a year, everybody like that's the whole thing. I don't know. That's  the problem. Like I don't

110I don't I'm okay if   you use it to check the spelling, the grammar  and everything, but the teacher needs to read   the whole essay. Oh, I think the teacher will read  the essay, but I think the teacher running through   Exactly. They they're just like, "Oh, I I'm not  going to read through 25 students essay. I'm   going to let that AI run through and I'm going to  whatever AI gives to me. I'm going to grade it."   Well, you don't know. It should not be happening.  So, it's not so much. So, it's really you don't   want that to be the sole. The sole mechanism to  judge a student's work should not be AI. Is that I   can get comfortable with that. not tell them they  can't use AI to break. But I'm not I'm saying like   they

111can use AI to [clears throat] do style check,  robots and everything, but they cannot use what AI   tell is a B or B+ or A+ and then you okay A+ I'm  going to No, we agree. I think everybody Yeah,   even the like we agree with that. Yes, that's  what% Okay, good. And I think and Dr. Hartnett   is speaking for 330 members shaking up that also.  Mr. You're going to say, can we add something like   that into your thing? Your thing? Your your AI  policy? I knew what you meant by Yes. I just   have one comment. Uh, under student use, it says  the school district permits teachers to determine   whether students in their class may use AI for  assignments. I didn't think that was consistent   with what we were doing, that we just tell that  each

112individual teacher gets to tell a student,   tell their class that they can use AI for whatever  they're doing. I thought that that we were telling   students they can't use AI can't or can cannot  use it to write an essay or to we Mike and I and   Jana actually have been discussing a lot about  guidelines and what kids can't do and talking   about using something called like a stop gap kind  of a thing where student like a teacher would post   a let's say a red sign which means absolutely no  AI um you know green you're allowed to use AI to   system. This is, you know, we we've kind of we  haven't gotten there yet, but these are some of   the discussions we're having that we're having,  but certainly kids can there are certain places   where it

113it is appropriate. Yes. So, going  going along with like the whole uh you know,   AI literacy piece and using, you know, a lot  of these tools for, you know, for for grading,   it's not really for grading. It's it's using these  tools to help start the conversation around the   process of learning, right? So it's it you know  essays don't get written in one draft right and a   lot of these tools what they do is they actually  provide you the ability to kind of assess each   draft and and look back at was this a copy and  pasted essay I know I'm digressing a little bit   but just to kind of address some of the stuff that  was said before um they let you assess how the   process of that essay was written and uh yeah some  of

114these tools will say oh it was like AI written   and we all know like with Sam and Mike you They're  not always correct, right? But um you know, as far   as letting students use AI, we're looking at uh  you know, the possibility of using like an AI   disclosure form so that teachers require like if  you did use AI, how did you use it? Uh what level   like what step did you use it at? Like level zero,  I didn't use AI at all. Level one, we used it for   uh brainstorming or level two for creativeness.  level threeite level used as a thought. What I'm   thinking about is like I've had teachers tell me  and you're saying now that there are uses for AI.   I've been in meetings where teachers have said no,  you know, students should

115not be using AI to write   their paper where forget about spellch check  and forget what the program is that corrects   your grammar. Grammarly. Yeah, I should have  remembered that when I said it's a long day. Um,   like I had teachers say unequivocally, "No,  my students should not be using Grammarly."   And the problem I then come to is if in sixth  grade the teacher's like, "Yeah, Grammarly is   fine. It's going to help you with your sentence  construction. It's going to help you this." And   then you get to seventh grade like, "No, you  can't use that." We've now they've now just   lost a year to some extent of education because  they haven't learned some of the basics because   as everybody in 10 years will be doing they  they've let they've leaned on the technology and   now they're

116coming back and and now the teacher  saying no no no sorry your sixth grade teacher   um screwed you over because they let you use that  crutch and now you're not ready for my seventh   grade class. So I I'm trying to understand how you  don't disadvantage certain students in that case.   They're using it in fourth grade though. Like I  think it's part of curriculum. Oh, no. I I know   they are, but that that's what I I'm trying to  understand how you do because I said there are   teachers that have unequivocally said Grammarly is  cheating. Well, because Grammarly like Grammarly   has an AI detection tool that uses AI to unai your  work. It's like it's such a backwards system. We   don't have a license for Grammarly. So, that's  not something that that's not an app that we

117would   recommend. No license. is all the women writing  essays at home. They they can download Grammarly.   I mean, you know, the high school kids can have  their own computers. They can download Grammarly   or buy Grammarly or whatever you do with it and  and use it that way. So, I'm I know there's no   straight answer. There's no easy answer. I'm just  trying to understand what we're telling students   from class to class. The most common examples  I've heard are prompts for prompts. For example,   um students are writing research papers and they  want to write a research paper about the United   States military and then they may ask AI, can you  give me 20 topics on this so I can start figuring   out what are the topics I would like to research  to figure out which paper I

118should lead to?   In other words, it's that what Mike was talking  about before of the brainstorming and where   students might not have the type of background  and teachers will throw that out too. It's very   similar where I might give them 25 topics on  something. AI may give them 25 other topics to   allow them for points of exploration. That seems  at least in my discussions with other teachers,   the most common places are to get other ideas, to  keep drawing on other ideas, to get the process   started. Um, like I said, I we we're talking about  technology. A lot of these problems are taken care   of at times by the fact that, you know, for the  last seven essays I've done are handwritten. Yes,   you could scan them, but you know, that would  take a lot a

119lot of work with handwriting and   everything. But I will I want to make clear part  of the problem that has to go on as I'm doing this   kind of work. Meanwhile, right now AP students are  writing in blue book which is an online approach.   So by doing everything on like there's a lot of  work all the AP and college board at this point   demands you to be on a computer. So, as we're  trying to disengage from computers at certain   points, eventually I have a responsibility to put  them on the computer to get them ready for test   prep. So, just I I know that's a little tangent on  a tangent, but as these are going to keep coming   up. If Mr. Jim, Mr. Goodstead, and even Mr.  Bane all in agreement that this policy works,   I

120fully understand. I had the concern about the  teachers grading and the staff in the section   entitled school district personnel use of and can  we just put in here something I don't know maybe   it's probably the teacher individual teacher will  make it explicitly clear in writing to students   and probably something that you go home to parents  saying this is my AI policy in my class for this   year. It's in it's in the policy. So it says if  students are permitted to use AI the assignments   the use of AI would be clearly communicated by the  teacher clearly communicated is sort of my issue   clearly communicated in writing which is writing.  Thank you. When we're talking about compliance,   are we talk when we say laws, are we talking  about federal law, state laws, just all [snorts] Mr. Anything

121else? Um I think we  should also include I don't know that community moves so fast like every year we might get a  new program page on the website [clears throat] molo page on the [clears throat]   It already exists. It is amazing. You're just amazing. No, Mr. Lin has amazing. Mr.  L, you are amazing. Great resource KI page. He   does one more thing. What is that? I think a lot  of AI companies, they have a policy that only I   think it's like 13 or 14 years old, they're  they're not allowed to use AI. How are we   addressing that? Great question. Cuz I don't call  they restrict 18 under like if you're under 18,   they ban your account. They don't let  you use it. Really? Yeah. Obviously, my daughter was using my account. My account got  banned.

122How? Well, she was typing like the way   she was. What was she doing? [laughter] She was  she was she was creating a a website for for like   teaching elementary school or kindergarten like  that kind of class. She was recording herself   and when she record herself they obviously  detected and then she like oh the end of they   say oh this is not for anyone under 18 they b my  account I had to appeal and to prove it that was   me was like my account you know I'm an adult  so that happened policy no again the policy   that no student should be disadvantaged by their  inability to use or decision not to AI, right? But   I'm just saying like I I I think that but you  said applicable law. It's applicable law. So I   mean I can't

123control if not going to allow your  daughter to hack your account. I'm kidding. No,   I'm talking about school. I'm talking about  school. No, I I think I would assume that the   school would have the ability to create it to be  able to run a platform that allows us. So So for   example, let's say a school using Gemini, right?  And that's Google AI and the students can they use   kumbok and kumbok have access to gemini and gemini  their policy is like I don't know their policy but   I'm just looking let's say the policy is 14 years  old and you're not allowed to use AI and obviously   a student in school is using it and say why are  you guys letting my son is using that according   to the policy you can't use it and s the

124school  they're not I'm just making things up anything   can happen but the school's already Just so the  elementary students are already using Gemini,   right, which is procured. That's my concern. But  it's but again these are clo these are systems   that they're you guys are contracting with and the  solution is close the non-contracted systems and   block those out. That's the the we're like focus  on the ones that you're purchasing and it should   be block the ones you don't purchase because you  can literally go a 5-year-old can go right now and   chatgre.com OpenAI and type a question and get  an answer. It doesn't do age verification. It   doesn't do age restriction. It has none of that.  So the the problem within the school is simple.   The tools you permit are permitted. The tools you  don't permit are

125blocked. And that solves all of   them. You don't need a policy. To Mr. B's point,  I'm not concerned about what he's contracted with.   It's everything else. And in in high school,  the device concept, just full disclosure,   my my Yeah. My my two high school students use AI.  They use claw, they use open AI, and you're not   going to stop them. And the reality is it's the  curriculum that the teachers are teaching on AI   literacy and how to use AI is what's relevant, not  policy and anything else. Because the kids have   it's like saying you need eight hours of sleep.  the kids are up till two in the morning. You can   do whatever you want. You're not going to stop the  usage of AI. It's it's how the students are using   it in the curriculum. Yeah.

126I guess my question  is like if we're using Google Workspace, right,   access to whole suite um and Gemini imagine is  a part of that. That's how they would access it.   So I like the idea. I mean in a hospital system we  also cannot just log into chat open. We have an AI   hub that has all of this behind a firewall similar  to I imagine the Google workspaces. Um, so I like   the idea of shutting down at least Chromebook  access to some of the other sites. It doesn't me,   you know, it doesn't change what happens on  your home device. That's up to parents. But,   um, even with the workspace, if they're accessing  Google at an age younger than 13, my understanding   was that because of the generative nature of AI,  there should still be some parental

127consent. I   don't know if that's if that's true or not. And  if as a parent we sign off on use of technology,   etc. are in schools. I mean, which is part  of what we're using all the time if that   should be included. I don't know if there's  a true if there's a law about that. But that   was my understanding. This comes up honestly  on the healthcare side of pediatrics. And so,   it's something that we discussed from that  standpoint. And I don't see why it would be very   different from an education standpoint in this  setting. So, if we could just find out about that,   but I did think that there was something with  a 13 which was mentioned by other people. Everybody's just debating these rules anyway.  So, no, I'm not I I think but just

128to protect   ourselves. Yeah, I think that there's something  there. We have families find consent form and   stuff. Sorry, I didn't mean we we do monitor and  uh block. So, we use GoG Guardian, right? So,   GoG Guardian monitors our website uh traffic  and content. There's automatic filters for   like AI tools that we turn on. like they've been  creating additional uh filters in GoG Guardian to   block extraneous websites that we don't approve,  right? Um kids are really good at finding things   that we don't block. Um but we do monitor the  GoG Guardian traffic on a daily basis. Um I do   have somebody on my staff that does that and  we do add to the block list as we go. Um that   includes gaming sites. Yeah. Uh it includes sites  that kids build for games and AI tools

129as well as   uh other AI sites that are out there that that  we are able to find see that students are using.   We do try to block as many as possible. The ones  that we allow like Google we do have a a contract   like an agree agreement. There's no way to control  it on the MacBooks that some of the high school.   That's so that's one of the the I guess it's like  one of those double-edged swords, right? We want   um we want our children to have like the best  devices possible, but at the same time when   they're bringing their own devices, it makes it  a lot harder for us to manage them centrally.   Um so it it's it's not good on the distraction  and content side of things when you bring your   own device for

130teachers and uh students in the  classroom, but it's also not good on the network   security side, right? because we're unable to put  uh the proper security cyber security software in   place to prevent like breaches, hacks, viruses,  things like that. So, it's something that we do   have to consider, you know, in the future. Uh but  we do monitor the network. We monitor traffic and   we look at various ways that we can improve uh you  know, blocking things that shouldn't be used. the   the Google Workspace just to answer her question  and everyone again the tool you're paying for in   the district has workspace admin panel which  enables the district to first of all there's   a youth experience under 18 for Google Gemini  and there's restrictions and content filtering   that the district can set within the workspace to 

131further restrict usage of it so it's not the like   you're not getting this whole open to the world  system. You're getting a youth experience under   I think whatever the age number is, but everybody  can use Gemini from newborn to however old you   want. Okay, we have beaten this dog. Um, so  I think we're going to go back to just as an age of 13 and there is it's a supervised  school. So there are mechanisms that again   the school district if it's through the  school district's Google account it is   supervised supervised through the school  district. Yes. Thank you very and we and   we monitor that and we've set it up you know  we've set it up appropriately and we could also   uh change it if the board you know wants to make  changes to to our

132settings. So I think we're at   the point where we have a new 5741 that follows  closely Mr. Goodstad with a couple of additions   related to what were the two additions again?  Teachers can't use AI to grade solely solely use   it. Yes. And then also that purely communicative  learning and the blank on use like I would assume   that you wanted to be the assistant suit for  curriculum is the person that does the approval. I think we also need wording  that the teacher used AI, oh I use it for transparency for transparency or or we just  assume that they're all using it at this point. We're so far in the weeds. Probably we what we're  gonna do is that's going to go into operating   procedure. Okay. So, we're gonna whoever's doing  the operating procedure is going to

133take a lot of   Mr. Jim's document and move that into operating  procedure. And I still suggest you get on that   AI committee or technically can we make an  AI subcommittee? We used to have one. Yeah,   we had well when I started I went through the list  of the tech committee and the AI committee and   they were generally it was like the same group.  So so we put it together. Cool. Great. So we've   got a 5741 which leaves us for tonight only with  3430 opportunity for all. I'll be presumptuous. In the packet there was a reddrafted version of we  have we have two sort of policies in there. One we   have the existing policy which was created a few  years ago. I don't remember the exact year that   was adopted in reference to a whole bunch

134of stuff  going on in the world. Um as we talked about last   time some of that had become outdated. I took  a shot at writing something new. So, you know   where I stand, the draft that is in the document  is missing two additional phrases that were add   or two additional numbers, two additional line  items that were added in response to um feedback   that I got from any number of people. Those two  pieces are the district will continue to support   a learning environment incorporates the plightes  and perspectives of the historically marginalized   and disenfranchised. And No. And then it was the  district will continue to identify and eliminate   barriers that might prevent any individual or  individuals from participating in the learning   process. Number eight was there in the draft. The  one we're looking at says second revised

1353430,   right? Yes. I sent around a new one yesterday or  today. I have open number. Those things are in   there. Yeah, those things are not in there. Did  I send the wrong one to you people? I think you   did. The one. No, but where did he keep whatever  you just read? Yeah. No, three and eight were   the three and seven were the two barrier. The  barriers added historically on you. Yes. Those   were in response to feedback that I got from very  intelligent people or persons. Oh yes. Three and   seven. Yes. Yes. Correct. Okay. Sorry. you were  you referring to different number. Oh, I'm sorry.   I did. So, yes. So, so there's now 10 pieces where  there was previously eight. Um, and as I said,   I tried to work in all the major points that were 

136in the old policy, but without the uh politically   charged language or tone that would make it or  makes it un makes it unattractive to to people um   to try to get people. I know you do, Mrs. Wartoff.  I don't know how others feel. So, anyone have any   other comments whether at this day or amongst the  various crowd out there? Questions, concerns? I   just I'd just like to thank you for trying,  you know, being responsive to our concerns. I   appreciate that. You are very welcome. And I want  to agree that I appreciate you addressing all of   the all most of the comments that were given and  incorporating more of the feeling of the older   policy. I guess I'm just concerned we got rid  of having a DEI committee and but maybe I mean I   think it's

137still important to have an opportunity  for all committee if you want to just call it that   mean and um I guess I'm just concerned I just want  to make sure that the message that the board is   sending by having this much condensed policy is  not that we're not as open and as committed to   the concept that was agreed upon and adopted a few  years ago. So I just want to make sure that you   know everyone in the community knows that this  is a still an important priority for the board   even though the policy is much more condensed and  um I'd like to request that we add the concept of   having a committee. I I don't have an issue with  committee. I don't think it needs to be a board   mandated committee. the superintendent has the 

138ability if he thinks there's an issue or an issue   that needs to be addressed, he's he's able to put  together whatever committee he would want. I don't   think it needs to be a mandated mandated concept  um from the standpoint of the various rules that   that would come along with that. I understand the  message that we're sending and the importance of   it. So while it doesn't have to be mandated um I  just you know by taking away the committ I want to   be sending the community a message that this is  not important. I I don't think anyone would say   it's not important or that their input doesn't  matter. That was the benefit of the committee.   that's where we have stakeholder input and can  you know discuss identify concerns that are too   I look I think that

139is a much bigger question  as you know I've pushed it for the last five   years that this district should be doing more  getting more feedback from community members   whether it be students parents or faculty in  the past I was always met with resistance to   that so I'm not sure why everyone suddenly thinks  this is the only area where we should be getting   feedback. So in terms of getting feedback  and taking temperatures, I think we heard   that tonight with the presentation that that's  going to be one of the goals of of that. But the   same way we're not taking in here saying that  we're trying to take temperature in all these   different areas because I believe everyone for  the most part that right now a lot of the issues   that are outlined in this policy are

140not issues  that we think are serious problems in Jericho.   That doesn't mean they won't become serious  problems in Jericho tomorrow or two years from   now. And for the they're not even if they're not  problems in Jericho, it's to teach the students   when they go out into the world that isn't as  insulated as Jericho, how to live in a world   that is has all these issues. So we're not but I  don't see what does that to do with the policy?   That's because that's first part of the the the  DEI committee was to you know teach the kids how   to live in a world that has all but the committee  wasn't having direct interaction with students.   Well, there were students on the committee and the  committee was goal was taking climate surveys and   then gau data and

141then come up teachers. I think  there's you know Why would we survey the in the   school? I don't think we make surveys. That's  the problem. Hold on, Mr. Barangi. Go ahead. So,   I appreciate the trustees having concern about  the committee. It's a really fair point actually,   which kind of regardless of this policy question,  I don't feel committees are representative of   the community and there's never an open call for  parents to join committees unless they belong to a   certain 501c3 in this community. and there isn't  public transparency as to who is on committees.   So I do appreciate the trustes concern over the  committee and it's a very good comment. The only   thing I'll say to that is if we go back and watch  the video when we were forming the committee for   DEI and I'm probably

142arguing against my own  case. There was a very restricted group who   was listed on that and it didn't even include  going out to the public to take applications.   This was one of the only committees at my urging  that we ended up taking public applications for   it because it was so insulated and because  it was so insular. So I take your point with   other committees but is as is it Dr. or Mrs. I  don't remember Dr. Dr. David who was a member of   that committee there was public solicitation for  that committee. That being said I don't believe   it needs to be a boardmandated committee. I think  there's many different ways, different people and   different procedures that go on to taking that  temperature. I think those types of things are   courage for what we do and and

143I'm not sure that  there needs to be a board I I don't believe there   needs to be a board mandated committee, but the  miss I think we are committed to all these things.   I think that's why as Dr. said people said, well,  we're missing this or missing that. We got all   that in here. I fully recognize the tone of this  policy is a little bit different than what we had   there previously, but I don't think that in my  view diminishes. Thank you. I think that makes um   I I appreciate the point about the committee. That  was actually one of my questions too. Um I agree   that there does not need to be board management  committees for everything that we're thinking   about. Even if we just looked at this this the  goals that were outlined by

144the group here,   inclusion and belonging was a big part of I think  goal one or goal two. And so goal number one and   so as we think about alignment, but belonging  and I mean they're all they're all part of the   same spectrum of safety and inclusion, right? And  I think we can all respect that well-being comes   from a sense of inclusion that comes from a sense  of fostering belonging. So, I do think there's a   benefit of having a diverse stakeholder that's  looking specifically in inclusion and belonging,   not just from a mental health or well-being  standpoint, but also from like including diverse   perspectives and curricula. I remember being  in this room having one of the first meetings   and thinking about all the different ways that we  celebrate the various heritage months. Right now,   it's May. It's

145Asian-American and Native Hawaiian  Pacific Islander Heritage Month. And we talked a   little bit about the contest that we had  in our community that's rich with a lot   of Asian perfections. It's called the Jewish  artist and the Jewish artist month. Exactly.   So I mean I think it's really helpful to have  people thinking about it from this perspective   um with diverse backgrounds because we all are  addressing it in technology and web wellbeing   community I imagine you know the good nutrition  right there's different ways to look at it but I   do think there's a loss if if the board is still  committed to that the concept of really uplifting   all voices and and having diverse perspectives  there's a loss there say well we won't mandate or   we won't really give the platform for such such  a committee to

146to stay and again it it I'm not   sure how other non boarding committees maintain or  place the state consisting being you know a robust   um sort of committee but I think that that is a  loss that I how many times did the committee meet   like two three times a year uh I I think it was  close to half a dozen times a year uh we're we're   not meeting now there's reasons we can unpack on  that um but no unpacking No one back. So I I have   I do have a question. Um and I'm going to just  ask it of people who are more deeply involved   in this work and also people who are involved in  the community especially as [clears throat] it   pertains to education. Um we have Sam has um in  his policies rather

147than using the word equity   um has listed equal access as an alternative and  I don't know that this policy without using the   word equity actually delivers the point that equal  access does not mean equity and that just because   somebody has equal access to opportunities  doesn't mean that they're going to be able So I'm just wondering if that needs to  be further developed in this equity. I   understand but you say what that  mean? It has a different meaning.   I'll absolutely tell you why. I mean  this is the word means something without using a word. How do we equal means like I get a  laptop you get a laptop. Everyone gets a laptop.   equity mean what you're blind exactly. What  if you're blind? You need a different laptop,   but that's covered by the laws. I mean, there's 

148laws for that has nothing to do with here's my   problem just just very simply. There's something  online and again not AI but it's you know I got   to get from the University of British Columbia.  They have an equity and inclusion glossery of   terms. And they have lots and lots and lots  of terms. And as I talked about last time,   there's lots of different definitions for equity.  But here's the problem I have with it. Equity   refers to achieving par in policy process and  outcomes for historically and persistently or   systematically marginalized people and groups. My  problem is when you talk about parity of outcomes,   I have no problem with parity of health, parity  of things, but when you talk about parity of   outcomes, I don't understand how that is something  that that we should look for. And

149that's that that   that's my hurdle. So get me around that hurdle  and I'm there with you. The word is defined in   the existing DEI policy. How is it defined there?  It's not no the the one that still exists at this   moment. Yeah. Equity includes but is not limited  to seeking the fair treatment access opportunity   for all while striving to eliminate to identify  and eliminate barriers that have prevented the   full participation of all groups. So I I've  I've given you that definition of equal access   and opportunity and identifying and eliminating  barriers without using the word where others will   interpret that differently. So So again, I'm  not sure what the point of using the word is.   If you can get the if you can get the concept  across without using a word that some may find   ambiguous

150or read more into it than it is, what  have you lost? I think the question is is equal   access the same as what we just mentioned? Um I  think many folks would argue that equal access   doesn't give you the equal opportunity. I mean  another term would be meaningful access, right?   There's many different ways you can slice this  but equal access in general means that you get the   same resource for every person. That's what equal  means. It means the same and that doesn't always   allow them to get that ability for access and  opportunity. So, well, then it says all students   have equal access to educational opportunities. If  you you want me to change the order of the words,   we can talk about that, but I'm I again I I don't  I'm trying to understand what what

151we're missing.   And so, like I said, as Dr. Summer said, what's  the definition of equity here? It it's in there.   The the exact words that we used in there for  equity are in there. And my concern is when you   use the word equity, you're talking about parity  of outcomes. But that's defined clearly. That's   not that's that's one definition. What was in  the sorry that wasn't mentioned at all that I   mean equity we recognize is a very um charged term  in today's political supposed political climate. I   get that and I I do think it's very prudent to  be careful about how we use these terms in our   work policies. I think that's helpful and I love  the the you know the movement towards focusing on   access which I think is really important and fair  treatment but

152I do think that there the term equal   access is not representative of everything you  were discussing. So I would just ask that maybe   we think of a way to frame it exactly as we've  been saying. I think this conversation shows that   there is more depth than the term that we that  I heard and I apologize. I looked at the policy,   but I'm still trying to understand what what  is the what is appropriate access. You want   appropriate acc. That's fine. I I I don't that's  to ensure that all students have appropriate   access to educational opportunities. Okay. What  does that mean? Does that cooperation? What legit   today? No, but it should. No, it's a legitimate  question. It's an absolute. Does it create club?   Does it include club creation? Our principal's  already answered is here. He's rubbing his

153eyes. What? Explain to what appropriate need is.  Appropriate means they need appropriate access   and equal access. What's the difference in need?  So, you're giving a student what they need. So   students have different needs. So they don't have  equal need and it's not in any way suggestive the   outcome. It's just their ability to make new  supports given to them to be able to access the   opportunity but not necessarily saying the outcome  is going to be the same to give them what they so   that the outcome is the same. It's so that they  can make use of the new opportunity. Even our   motto see the problem is wouldn't be and again  when I hear appropriate as I'm thinking about   it I'm thinking separate but equal like but I  I know that's not what you mean but I'm

154think   what's what does that mean appropriate access you  now have meaning different for every appropriate   be interpreted as one kid gets more than the  other then that's not equal and then that's   already leading into towards you know dangerous  territory because Now you're giving one kid more   than the other. I see it as different and child  specific. I get that. It's what the child needs.   We're giving each child what they need. And that's  what we do here. That's what we've always done   here and we always should continue to do that.  But but there again, that's when you start to the   district will continue to identify and eliminate  barriers that might prevent any individual from   participating in the learning process. That's  giving everybody the appropriate access. that   that that's what I'm trying to understand like I  there's

155lots of you know there's sort of two parts   to this where it's like okay you want to give  every kid what they need and we are in agreement   on that but I think when you start getting into  appropriate you you start to become saying what   makes it appropriate appropriate then becomes  well everybody should be able to score 95 on   this test okay and and there there are different  things that different needs like someone talked   about if you was it a black kid or something like  that. Yeah, that's different. I fully understand   that process. But the the point of the matter is  like you when you say appropriate appropriate for   what? Appropriate so that everybody can  get the A in the class. But but that's with regards to an opportunity to take advantage  of the opportunities.

156But but that's what this   literally what this policy says. people is not  what we're talking about. But other policies   govern what you're talking about. That's not  DEI. So there's there's state test requirements,   there's ESL requirements, there's like extra  time requirements, there's all these different   things that our kids get, including my  kids, kids with disabilities, right,   that Americans with Disabilities Act and all  these other things that are not governed by DEI.   the the other laws and thresholds within the state  education system govern all those little things   you're talking about. So why why do you maybe  maybe there's a better word than appropriate.   I mean you suggested meaningful like I don't  know maybe even meaningful and equal access   could be helpful. I just think that the term  equal access is not representing clearly what   this conversation has

157has shown. I think just  acknowledging that equal doesn't mean the same   exact thing. I think meaningful is helpful to me  because it's not only that you're providing it,   but it's accessible to the individual, right?  Like I mean um if you put meaningful in there,   it's a beautiful word, but it's an aspirational  word and and it's you can't you know, can I   say just so we're clear, this is talking about  have equal access to educational opportunities   regardless of all the things that you  then see, sex, race, color, ethnicity,   nationality, religion. If you want to put  physical handicap saying like we're having   an argument about something that's not that's not  that this paragraph isn't focused on we're we're   putting it in there that's saying regardless of  you know whatever you whatever problem you have   you're getting equal

158access to the opportunity  which means in my determination that you you are   going to be able to participate in that process  in the ed you you're not going to be denied an   opportunity and remember this policy was meant  to talk about. It wasn't meant to talk about the   blind kid who who didn't have it. That that's not  where the genesis of this policy came from 5 years   ago. It was completely in another direction  and as others have pointed out as Mr. Rings   point at all those things you're talking about  blind kids or right is covered by other policy that is covered under like you know  disabilities and whatnot. I'm talking   about some of these other things that are here  um that don't that are not covered necessarily   with under like and whatnot. Um but that's 

159what this policy was meant to cover. That's   what I'm saying. I'm trying not to advocate  for a position. I'm just trying to clear what position you're advocating. question. Well,  I guess what I want want to think about when we're   thinking about the word equity and what was  originally intended to do and what maybe the   board is deciding not to do anymore, but there  was an there was a perspective in it. There is   a perspective in in in DEI that there are some  groups of people in our society that historically   have not had the same advantages of others or  indeed may have had historically disadvantages   systemically and that we need to try and recognize  those things and mitigate them in some way. Right?   So, if you're saying we want to treat everybody  equally, it means we're

160we're we're going to go   from there. Uh, and we're going to give you the  same thing and you have your chance, you know,   the same as everybody else to make it. Um, I  get that. That's one American view. Um, there's   another one that says we have a responsibility  to redress historic practices in the past. Um,   and and If you're going to have a committee and  you're going to research, you're going to try and   figure out what those are. If you want people in  your community to get together and maybe air some   of their experiences uh and and say maybe we  we're not going to do school exactly the way   we used to do it because we have different groups  of people now here who respond differently. So,   it it's it's a commitment to taking a

161look at  these things and and it's not because you're   blind or or you have other some other kind  of handicap. there's something societal and   systemic and historic that we want to take a  closer look at and address. So the word equity   includes that and the DEI policy includes  that. It's so I mean if you're saying no,   we reject that and those premises that's  that's fine. But I think that's what you're   arguing about saying. I'll say I reject it. I  reject it straight up. Okay. And now I I I I I   personally think that you keep talking about  groups. We have 3,200 students here. I want   to look at them as individuals and I want  to say whatever each individual kid needs,   we're going to do it. And whether it's based on  some historical prejudice, historical

162deficiency,   or deficiency they have now, that's what I  want to address. And that's why I took the   word group and I said whatever barriers for each  individual prevents them from participating in it.   But the idea that this board and that this  school district is somehow responsible for   um fixing what some perceive or many perceive or  everyone perceives as some historical wrong. Yes,   I I'll say that I I do not accept that is my  responsibility as a board member of the German   school district. Speaking as Eric, I truly respect  that view. I just you've articulated it and   there's there are other views. Absolutely. Uh, and  that but that's what you're really talking about. And I I actually thought that I had hoped, let  me say I thought I had hoped that we had moved   past what

163I felt was a reactionary environment  5 years ago to say, okay, what from that policy?   Because look, there there are people who say  this whole piece of paper should be thrown   out. It's like it's it's a pass idea. What I  do think came here from this conversation is   that there are principles that this district  should be committed to to for each individual   student regardless of where you think they came  from, where they did come from. You know what?   It doesn't matter. But it's like this is what we  want. We want every kid to have an opportunity to   succeed here. that we are going to do our best to  work to mitigate all those things. And remember,   there's this whole other part where you're talking  about, you know, compensating for those things. We   have this whole

164thing about um, you know, we're  going to incorporate the perspectives of those   people that you're talking about, which again is  is related to curriculum. It doesn't even have to   do with the opportunity that kids are going to  have to learn here. So, I, as I've always said   to you, I appreciate that view. I just don't  see how or why the Jericho board that's our   focus. Our focus is our individual 3200 kids  here and making sure each one of them has an   opportunity not even opportunity each one of them  will succeed. Sam going back to your other point   I think the question that has been raised in  the first sentence maybe possibly considering   the district must ensure that all students have  equal and differentiated access to educational   opportunities may give that personalized nature  that you just

165refer to and make that distinction   that I think we're trying to make here.  equal doesn't mean one size fits all mean but again I'm not saying you see I think  the problem is and the opportunity isn't   differentiated everybody's got the opportunity how  you get to take advantage of that opportunity is   is what I'm talking so when you talk about  a differentiated access or what do you say   have equal and differentiated access  Well, that's a contradictory, but B,   even if you say everybody has differentiated  access, you're now providing unequal benefit.   You're providing a kid something that another kid  doesn't get. And I just don't I don't understand   why I I I you know, there are parts of this and  I could fully accept other arguments that I have,   which is why it's it's morphed a few

166times.  I've just the equal access to opportunity.   I'm not sure what it means putting out there,  but I would say, and again, most people in this   room probably have more experience that I  do at having multiple kids of their own,   but when you have multiple kids of your own,  you recognize that your kids need different   things. So, you treat them fairly and equally,  but that doesn't mean you give them exactly   the same thing. 100%. So, I feel like I get  your point and I don't know if there's a way   to use language that sort of encapsulates both  concepts. I have an idea. What about just even   I mean I don't know if this makes this better or  worse actually, but just taking out the word I   appreciate your honesty but just taking out the  word

167people. I'm just saying have access because   if you're giving a kid access and they're able to  make use of it, necessarily it's differentiated   and necessarily it's specific to that kid and  their needs. What about just taking out equal first read? I don't have a problem with  that. I I I I figure we get things thrown   at by that corner of the room if we take  out, you know, access. That's like But yes,   I'm happy with that. I just I I mean I don't  love taking to equitable. I prefer I prefer   having the word in than having it removed. I  think it it reminds us that we're trying to   get to a place for everyone. So is there an  additional adjective not differentiated but   an [laughter] I mean does meaningful  equal and meaningful access to that?

168Can we can we run this through AI? Damn it. GM, you've done this on a much larger scale.  Yeah. I mean, we we've had to deal with this   for the last year and a half and this is what I  do every day. And the ways the way that we think   about this is I think meaningful access is really  helpful and defining what meaningful access means.   And meaningful means you're able to not only  provide it, but that the person receiving it   is able to use it. We use this a lot in language  access, right? So when we provide interpreters in   the healthcare setting, just using the interpreter  doesn't mean that your everyone has equal access   to it. But meaningful access means that the doctor  or the pharmacist or the nurse actually uses it   in a way

169that the patient can understand what  they're talking about. So the term meaningful   is very um is very clearly defined in the ACA  actually the federal care act and then other   um department of health and human services  documents around what that means and I like   the term I believe in the term so I don't know  if that's something we can just think about but   meaningful has a has a a responsibility that's  birectional not just in the person who's getting   the opportunity but in the person who's providing  the opportunity which is what I think we're saying   that we want to be able to provide it in a  way that's accessible to for everyone. Um,   so I like the term meaningful, but again, I'm  not sure in the educational realm if that has   the same um if it

170lands the same way. But  meaningful and I don't love the term equal,   but I I know that we're having difficult time  finding an alternative. But meaningful and equal   would still be a a step in the direction that I  think this conversation is lending itself towards.   Just a suggestion, if we talk about using and  again I don't have an opinion on this at all.   Um, regarding [clears throat] ambiguous words,  the easiest way to fix an ambiguous word is to   put the ambiguous word in find it in the policy.  I know what you're saying. That's a good idea. So,   you can pick whatever word you want, right? The  really easiest way is to use unambiguous words.   Then you can define the ambiguous word.  Then it's no longer ambiguous. I like the   term equity is ambiguous. Actually, I

171guess I  guess the question I guess the question is in   the old policy in the current policy that's in  the book definition of equity. Does the board   have an issue with the definition of equity as  in that policy? Forget the word equity. Yes. No, not not in Sam's policy. And the  old policy is it's not the definition. Equity includes but is not limited to as she  is not limited to seeking fair treatment,   access, opportunity, and advancement for all. But you can just change that. You can make that  meaningful. You can make that whatever you want.   Whatever word you want. Equity includes, but  it's not to Okay. Equity includes seeking the   fair treatment, access, and I'm sorry, the fair  treatment, access, opportunity, and advancement   for all while striving to eliminate to identify  and eliminate barriers. But

172now we're saying   don't use equity and plug in something else and  define it. You're not using the word equity. Yes.   So then we can define make it meaningful.  That's your definition of meaning. Can you   just plug in meaningful? Meaningful includes  seeking fair treatment, access, opportunity,   and advancement. I understood meaningful when  you put it into the medical term. I get it. I mean I maybe you could bring us your  definition from medical definition because   what you said the person receiving it has to  be able to use it right I mean that's that's   and it probably said more eloquently that  that's the only we're not talking about a   service here we're talking about the opport  the access to an opportunity so here she's   talking about you have to have meaningful  use of the interpreter I don't I

173see that   as different than access using their fair  access. Equal and fair. No, we're just taking   out equal and fair that all students have  fair access to educational opportunities. Yeah, you're you're going to have a field day   with I'm going to have a field  day with this one. [laughter] 100%. The minute you put this in policy,   I'm I'm attacking the club. Which one are you?  Which word is less likely? Like I can argue my   child did not have meaningful access to  creating a club at Jericho High School. But there's a change whether we use the term  meaningful, fair, equal. I'm just saying like   when you use the word equal, meaningful, fair  in my perspective, my child did not have a fair,   meaningful access to something. They have equal  access. I I believe they didn't have

174equal   access. and I proved it. So, let's take that out.  Take that anything out. Just do access. I don't   know. Dr. Herman, do you feel fair prefer? I don't  know. I'm just I'm just curious because he's Well,   the look I if I take what you were talking about  with meaningful, right? Isn't that the idea of   ensuring that barriers do not prevent individuals  from getting necessary services and care? Is that   a concept that you could add to this? Is there  like we have that in here? We have something   we have something close with barriers. We do  it might all I'm trying to say is you might   that might be a place to tweak that in the end,  but that's probably the most basic spot. I do   have to say the the policy is very inclusive of 

175everything that I think everyone here is talking   about. We're just asking to add one word which  honestly is not going to change the fabric of   this policy. So we can we could sit here another  two hours arguing about meaningful or not. I get   it. But as long as the meat of the policy  is there, I think that's the most important   thing. I think this this wasn't also a one two  three thing to get here. I think it was multiple   steps and multiple layers of I will say and I  said that before. I appreciate that there was   a serious process and even if we think about  there was a lot of statements recorded about   what our intentions are and our approaches.  I think that's important to have out there,   too. By the way, we still have

176two blanks here  for who the superintendent is going to designate. It should be Hart and Stunberg. We're far away. I want to echo Dr. partner's  earlier um statement that he's he's thankful that   you have engaged in this earnestly and language  has changed a lot over the last few weeks starting   was eliminated completely to one draft and I I see  it changing so I I I appreciate there's an attempt   to baby steps baby steps reconcile different views  even though I'm I'm still seeing a fundamental   al disagreement that this can't compromise away.  Um the committee as it was um did conduct a very   robust comprehensive survey of nearly every  student grades 7 through 12 in the school   last year. and we only just started uh subjecting  the data we got to analysis. And I will say that

177the work we put into it was was  rigorous and the standards that   we applied to the correlations we were  looking at were at [snorts] very strict   levels of significance that we're  looking for. This is just an example.   I'm not saying this is an urgent need, but one  of the things that began to bubble through,   and this is not a presentation of of the research  of the day, but I can say this with confidence, Asian students who are the majority of this  district were reporting significantly lower   levels of belongingness than white students.  And it's a very fascinating thing in a place   like this which is so high achieving and we're  looking at at an aggregate not individual kids but   um but that that a majority of students um for  all kinds of reasons that we have

178not begun to   and may never begin to look into. um we're we're  reporting a lower level in certain constructs   uh that that we know are correlated with  learning than than a minority of students.   And it was just a really fascinating thing to  begin looking at and and so to not have the the   committee or to say that that correlation may  not we don't care about it. We're not going to   treat anybody any different. we're not going  to change what we do even though we know this   thing. Um there there are times to to ask these  questions and and and and and look at groups and   and and just looking at data is not good social  science and it's not good leadership or policy.   But the conversations that could come from talking  about that might be

179valuable and maybe somebody   else will create a committee um with without board  policy and and and that might happen. But that's   one of the things that you're kind of turning away  from right now. And it's and it's not the kind of   thing I I hope it's not something you're saying  we don't think is important um or or or or we   don't want to address. I I think any unhappiness  or discomfort, dissatisfaction, underachievement,   um disabilities, of course, we want to address it.  I'm I want to say surprised by what you just said,   but okay. Again, I'm not necessarily sure.  I should say I I'm sure I don't think that's   something that falls under a DEI, formerly DEI  policy, because I I'm confused because like   I said, if you've got a group that represents  80%, how does

180that deal with diversity, equity,   and inclusion? Not that we're using those words.  If there's clearly something there, if that's what   your study found, there's clearly something  there. It's got nothing to do with diversity.   It's probably got nothing to do with equity and  it's probably got nothing to do with inclusion. That policy, the the current policy covers  this. And it's an interesting point you just   made because my kids feel the exact opposite.  They don't get highlighted because they're not   doing the traditional Jericho stuff. Meaning, my  kids aren't in band. My kids aren't in Regeneron.   My kids aren't in science. But guess what? My  two daughters play lacrosse. My my daughter   had varsity lacrosse yesterday. I sent an email  to the board that she never gets highlighted.   They had their senior day. Not a single message  from

181the school. Where's the equity in that? So,   my point is like there's there's the flip side  of it that I think is ignored. And while those   kids feelings are valid, I think my kids feelings  are valid as well. And the current policy doesn't   cover this issue that we're talking about. So,  whatever work you put in, it's still not going to   fix the problem. is not especially especially when  they in fact say about Asians and to be honest   being as Asian myself I know DEI was the reason  that we are being excluded from a lot of college   so using Asian as an excuse that we need to have a  DEI is completely lost to me because we're the one   being targeted and excluded from college because  of being agent So there is no equity for Asians.

182We're talking about he's talking about Asian  he brought up Asian Asian but Asians are not   being excluded in Jericho. We want to find a way  to make people feel more included in Jericho. I   felt I felt already felt included like we are  already included. But the study perception the   students did not feel included and that's that's  a concern when you find out as a board member that   a portion of the students don't feel included.  It's our job to figure out why and do something.   But how I think what we're saying is it's got  nothing to do with with what we're talking   about. But if the but it's got nothing to do  with it. If you have 100% of the population,   if you go to a country, it's 100 you go to  Iceland, they're 100% and

183you take them,   they're all alcoholics. I mean, is it because  they feel like they're not included or they're   you there's no diversity? No. It's just  unfortunately it's a problem because   there's 22 hours a day of of of darkness, but  it's got nothing to do with that they're all   Icelandic and they're all 6'2 and fond. It's  like you're looking you're you're the the   you're attributing this to something that's  nothing to do with what this policy is about. Doesn't address it. That's the point. Like  the existing policy that you guys are touting   doesn't address the problems that are already  existing. So clearly the policy doesn't work.   Why you're trying to revert back to that  policy is mindboggling because literally   the kids are saying there is a problem and the  problem's not fixed by the policy. We haven't

184years that pol that policy created  a committee that created the survey   that found those results. So I mean  but that was years ago. No administer last year. So if my kids if my kid said the  opposite of the 80% how would you address that?   Would you say if my child said the opposite of  the 80%. Of course. And that's a valid perspective   too. But how do you address my question is how you  have the data. How have you in the last 12 months?   And I'm not blaming you, using the existing  policy for DEI addressed my child's problem   in this district, my four children actually. How  has that been addressed with the existing policy?   It hasn't. You know how it's been addressed? I  come here and I'm a nuisance to the board. No,   but that's the

185only that's the reality of  it. The policies aren't doing what you guys   intended to do. And I'm telling you that as a  parent of four children, they are failing the   kid. The policy has failed the children. Period.  I think that's no offense overment, but I it's   not I can give you examples. I've had to advocate  for my children directly to administration to get   what I need. Your policies don't fix the problem.  Administration fixes the problem. Parent advocacy   fixes the problem. A written piece of paper is not  going to fix the problem. Not mutually exclusive   options though, right? I mean we agree that parent  advocacy um you know discussion all of this is is   multi a solution can be multiffactorial but I  think that's an important piece but if you're   sitting there not if you're not

186me or another  parent that's outspoken the hundreds of parents   that text us constantly with issues because  they're afraid to bring it forward the policy   should technically be protecting those parents  and it's not and it's not protecting the kids   and adding the word meaningful probably specific.  No, it'll give you a point to poke at and somebody   who wants to exploit that word will exploit it  and say, "My kid doesn't have meaningful X."   And then you're going to have 504, whatever it  is. Why does my kid not get extra time? It's not   meaningful. Well, you have to go look at this  policy. There's there's already policies and   laws that exist for these things. Like, you're  trying to shoehorn a issue that's not an issue. The more I listen, the more I honestly have less  understanding the concern

187about equal access and   educational opportunities. I just everybody here,  we have you go to other districts, you have to   apply to get into an AP class. Here, you show  up, you sign, you put it down on your schedule,   you're in the AP class. Here, you want to be on a  team, you show up, you you try out for the team,   you make the team, you don't make the team, you  get out. you know, presumably you want to join   a club, everybody can join the club. Yeah,  form a club, but you can join a club. Um,   you know, everybody wants lunch, you can go  get lunch. So, everybody's got the access to   everything. No one's disadvantage what they're  doing with that opportunity. Everybody here,   even when we're talking about meaningful and we're  talking about we got

188to help this kid or that kid,   that again is all going back to outcomes. We  shouldn't be dictating what that outcome is. We're   simply saying we're here. We're here to provide  a service. We're providing boatloads of service   to this. We provide that's why everybody wants  to come here because you can take calc BC. We   can take differential cal physics BC programming  and all this other stuff. Everybody can show up   here and take them. Now, that's all that first  part is saying. It doesn't matter who you are,   you have equal access to all those opportunities.  Now, when you get to taking those opportunities,   that's where the 10 points come in  or really when the first five or six.   We're going to get rid of the barrier. So, if  you can't see, we're going to give you

189whatever   translation you need. You can't speak English,  we're going to give it to you. I understand   the meaningful part and maybe there's a place  for meaningful in one of the 10 bullet points   because I understand what you're saying. But to  say that we're going to give meaningful access,   we want everybody to have access to whatever  opportunity they have here. They have to go   in. They have to take advantage of it and  try to be successful. But I so I'm sort   of don't know where we're trying to go. I think  as Dr. Sunberg said, there's a differentiation,   but other than Dr. Sunberg, I haven't heard  anyone say that we're trying to remediate   what some perceive as past injustices. And  if someone on the board thinks that, then   let's talk about it. But I believe the only

190person  I've heard say that so far has been Dr. Sunberg. So So we're past that. So now we're really back  to I think we spent half an hour talking about   whether we're using equal meaningful affairs. So  what I would suggest is in the interest of maybe   we need to do some thought on this. Maybe we need  to do this accept the first read and say the word   that we really have circled here is equal access  and maybe putting the word meaningful somewhere   if not in place of equal maybe lower down where it  talks about they're going to um uh students have,   you know, in which students have meaningful  opportunity to learn and realize their full   potential instead of equal opportunity. I I  don't know because maybe there's a difference   between access and opportunity and and

191that  would be where I get to because you know,   no one wants to turn into a pumpkin at 10:30. But  again, I would I would just like to add and maybe   just put in the concept of a committee here and  maybe it's not a mandatory, but it just for the   if you like to say you're saying something like  at his discretion, the superintendent could form   a committee to do this. I would love that because  I would like just to show that that he's smiling   that it's putting on his. Okay. Okay. So, the two  things that we're going to talk about and discuss   for next time are one is there some if someone  can I still haven't heard a better word than   equal access. Maybe there's a way for Dr. Gl's  word of meaningful somewhere in

192what we're trying   to do. No issue with that. I I don't know what  the word means. So, I have to AI it or Google it   or Gemini it. And we can talk about what we want  to do about a committee. The option of putting a   committee in. I I don't think we'd have to say the  superintendent has the option to put a committee   for a DEI because he always has that option to to  I understand that but this if you're talking about   signaling someone yes I just feel like it's an  important can all parents have meaningful access   to all committees that is something we are working  on not in this policy but we're working on it how   many days has it been sir 310 310 I apologize  to reverse 10,000 there's just so much 310  

193can do to reverse 10,000. I'm sorry. Bath is bad.  11,000. No, but it's a fair point. You know, it's   absolutely Hold on, Mr. Bry. It's absolutely a  fair point. And it's a fair point that I'm saying   that there's 315 or 310 days to reverse 11,000 is  sometimes very large. There's sometimes there's   hurdles that can only get crossed at some point.  So, um, as as discussed for future acceptance,   do we having vote? Does anyone Is everyone  comfortable voting on all four policies at once   or do we need to break one out because someone  wants to vote against the adoption of one or   more of these? I think we should break out the  That's fine. I'll break out whatever. Okay. So,   can I get a vote on So, we're going to change the  motion now. So, do

194I have a motion to accept a   first reading of 3271 solicitation of charitable  donations, 3280 use of school facilities, and 5741   artificial intelligence. Do I have a motion?  Second. Thank you, discussion with the changes   as we previously discussed. Can I get a vote on  accepting the first read? All in favor? 5. Okay.   Now we move to policy 3430 now such renamed as  opportunity for all. Can we get a motion to accept   the first reading? Thank you Mr. Mr. Bara. Thank  you Mr. Jin. Any further discussion as with the   changes that we talked about and the highlights  that we're going to have for our executives. All   in favor of accepting the first read. I thought  we were I thought we were not accepting the first   read. Remember secondary first read the two issues  that are open

195that we're going to think about more   is are we are we going to change equal or add  the word meaningful or some other word in here   somewhere and are we going to put a sentence in  here saying you know that at the superintendent's   discretion he can form a committee to address  this um and as I said this goes back to we're   just trying to get so we can get to a second read  and if we reject the second read the second read   it's the same way we've done with all the policy  we've done why do we separate this one I know   you guys wanted to vote against it because just  asked if you want to break it out if someone's   planning to vote against it. That's why I'm happy  to do whatever you want. Secretary

196just separated another 99% of this is done. There's no point to  table this. This is more done than most of the   policies we've accepted first reading on and this  is a good step. But like I said, that's why we're   breaking it out. If people don't want to accept  the first read, we won't accept the first read.   So there's still opportunity to make changes. Yes.  All in favor of accepting the first read. Three.   All opposed. Any abstensions? 32. First read  accepted. Um, do any of my fellow board members,   sorry, I should have been using the mic. That was  accepted 3 to two. Um, with the two open items,   um, do any of my fellow board members  have anything they want to raise before   we adjourn? Anyone who's voted three hours,  anybody out there? Oh, did we?

197No, we did not.   I apologize. We will very hopefully, who knows  how long. Opportunity to public be heard. If you   would like to make a comment or ask a question,  please approach the microphone, tell us your name,   and if you're representing a specific group, your  affiliation. If you'd like your statement to be   included in our board minutes, you must hand a  written copy of your remarks to a district clerk,   victim manual before leaving tonight. As always,  public discussion on matters related to staff and   students during which their reputation, privacy,  or right to due process or those of others could   in some ways be violated is prohibited. Microphone  is here. Seeing no interest, that is closed. Do I   have a motion to adjurnn? Thank you, Mr. Citron.  Second, Mr. Jin. All in favor of adjourning,   we

198will see you on Monday evening, May 11, 6:30  to discuss the 700s, 7,000. Thank you very much.

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