001April 22nd. If you would please stand, I will lead us in the pledge and Mr. McClean will lead us in an invitation. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Dear Lord, we thank you for this opportunity to come together to serve our students and community. We ask that you guide us through here. They let you know that our work that we do is in the light of you, dear Lord. Please watch over us, guide us and we thank you for the dedication of the people that are sitting around this table and the administrators, teachers in our school system. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. >> Main. All right.
002Next item. Uh approval of the minutes. You have them in front of you, but I would re uh >> move to approve. >> All right. I have a second from Mr. LRA, a second from Mr. Andy. >> All in favor? >> Oppose. All right. >> So, we're here again. We weren't sure last meeting if we would be, but the school board apparently wanted to keep us. We do have two new faces, though, >> right? >> So, Mr. Vickers and Miss Benjamin are two new appointees. Uh Cynthia Asia and Miss Courtney Douza both decided they not want to continue and we thank them for their time. Miss Benjamin and Mr. Vickers, you would take just a quick minute, tell the board about you and uh then we'll kick off the rest of the meeting. >> Hey,
003I am Ruth Benjamin, retired educator. I uh my last position was at St. John's River Community College, now State College. Uh, I was the reference librarian there for 20 years. I am now the administrator for our church, House of God Church, under the leadership of Dr. Gilbert Evans. >> Welcome. Very nice. >> Thank you. >> Glad you're here. >> Welcome. Thank you. >> Mr. Vickers. >> Yeah. I'm Jane Vickers. I uh born and raised here in Putnham County. uh left though in uh 84 to Fort uh left here and went to North Carolina, Fort Bragg and uh came went to uh left there in ' 85, went to St. Petersburg, came back to Pala in 1990 and so I've been here ever since. But I uh 18 years I run my business u Vicers Rentals
004uh for quite some time. I'm been a member of the gas authority for about 31 years and the vice chairman of that board past president Habitat for Humanity. Uh so and I've served uh on the housing authority board. I was chairman of that board at one time and ran it for about a year. Uh so I'm here and just glad to be here. Before we move on to the next item, I'll just remind anybody that's going to speak today, if you don't mind, please go to the microphone um so when they record this that you'll be heard, otherwise it doesn't pick you up if you're out here. Um unless you're going to say anything bad, then go outside, especially especially if it's about me. All right, project updates. We have a bunch of stuff in
005front of us and uh we'll go by whoever wants to go first. You might want to volunteer. >> All right. Crescent City Elementary. >> We'll start Crescent City. Sure. >> All right. For our new me. So, Ajax is handling the Crescent City Elementary School, which is almost complete and the Kelly Smith renovation. So, we'll let them talk about Crescent City first. >> I'm going to turn it over to Justin, who's boots on the ground every day. >> Got it. Uh so currently for Crescent City we are uh moving into the second phase of the building. So we have four different phases. Uh the first phase of the building is going to be your admin areas, your cafeter. Our second phase is another uh pure classroom uh phase of the building and so is the third.
006The fourth phase is going to be the gymnasium. So, we had our initial walk with the owners uh last week for the first phase of the building. They issued some observations that we're currently correcting throughout that phase. Uh this Friday, we've moved into the second phase of the building and we're going to start doing uh the walk through there to be issued those final corrections. Uh the third phase uh walkth through is going to be scheduled approximately a week after that. So, we're moving along through this closeout phase, trying to get everything buttoned up uh for that smooth transition over the district. >> Yes, sir. >> When you talk about the phases, these are actually going through finished product. >> Correct. >> Everything's basically done. >> Correct. Correct. We're we're seeing installation of the furniture
007at this time. They're they're they're putting together that, assembling it in the cafet the classroom wings and things like that. We also had uh the final lifts of asphalt placed in the parking lot. Uh today was actually the final lifts that were placed there. >> So yeah, so for clarification, that's the punch list that we're essentially generating right now. >> That term I know. >> Yeah, that there you go. So that's what we're doing. So in a facility this large, it doesn't make sense for everybody to come in one fell swoop. So we're phasing it out and you it's such a big school, right? So phase one, everybody comes and looks, makes a list, we repair it, next, next, next until we're done. >> Okay. >> So, um, go ahead. >> Okay. So, uh, we're
008also working hard to achieve the temporary certificate of occupancy for the school as soon as possible. We're working with all of the AHJ, so building inspector, fire marshals, and all of those things to to uh ensure that we have compliance with all the applicable regulatory standards. >> Couple more couple more things to add. So, the uh AHJ uh there was uh some additional work that had to be done for that. Um we've got that all squared away as far as what we're doing. We're working on it. Um there is still some uh a couple things uh for the the tank that we're working through. And then of course the additional work for the road work um that was, you know, it wasn't part of the original scope that we're going to also be doing. Um
009and we'll have that scheduled up soon, but it's it's separate from the school. It's literally the roads. But just so you guys are aware, >> I see on the this sheet we have still have a contingency balance. Is that up to date? >> Yes. >> So yeah, correct. So we've build 95%. Um we've uh it's about 99% of our GC's 99 96% um of our sub values and uh we've we have a balance of about 324,000 contingency on paper. You know if there's additional things that still have to happen um then you know it can be depleted but >> 72 is not correct. >> Which part? >> 72%. >> I don't think there's numbers been updated. >> Oh I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, that's that's why I wanted because you're >> Yeah, I I was looking
010at the agenda. I was going >> I think these numbers are what they have in front of them. >> Okay. Well, let me Can I May I May I update you? >> So, we have 577 on yours, but he said it's closer to three something. >> Correct. We're Let me I'll go through them again real quick. So, there's four line items that you're probably looking at. >> It's GMP cost versus actual expense. >> February. Okay. So right now we're at 688 852334. >> Does that mean does that mean you've invoiceed and been paid or just invoiced? >> So we just look at it as invoice >> um on our reports. So but you know the district is pretty quick to pay. So and you know there's always going to be some of what of a
011timing issue probably with these meetings because we may be like have just build or we're getting ready to bill. So it may not be perfect when we get to these meetings. Um but what we're showing is the most is the latest data that we have. Um >> and that's what >> so 95% on the GMP costs for us um actual expensed um for the GC 99.75%. And that's okay. Don't don't stress. It's 95 and 99. It's okay because you know we're getting to the end. So we're ramping down on GCS. We don't have a trailer out there anymore. Things like that. So, it's okay. Um, the sub values GMP versus actual 96%. So, that's all of our subcontractors that we're paying. >> We've got an error on ours. Ours has a number that's more like
01275% and it says it's 94%. So, >> again, I think it must be a timing issue or ours is just wrong. >> Okay. >> Ours has the wrong percentage for a smaller number. >> So, you saying what percentage? >> Uh, for the third line item, 96%. Mhm. >> So it must be around $55,000 >> and then the contingency balance is 324 324,000 >> at 84%. >> Sorry guys, I didn't >> Mr. Jones has a question. >> I have a question. So the AHJ the tank and the additional road work is that coming out of the remaining contingency balance. >> So the the additional road work was funded separately and that's already been approved and done. So no on that. Um the uh additional u code required work was also funded separately. >> Yes, that's correct.
013>> So that also um the tank we we it's to be determined. We got a couple of valves uh that we need to look at uh with the design team, but we we haven't identified the funding source there. We'll work with the district as to what funding source they want to use for that. Yes, sir. >> When you say funded separately, funded out of bond funds, it may be a JD. >> I can take that part. the the road work part was was totally outside the project project scope. It needed to be done. So we're handling that through other PCSD dollars. There'll be no bond money fat. Everything inside the fence was paved like I said finished today couple weeks before off gas have it strike like a a real parking lot. What's happening outside
014will not be coming from the bond initiative. >> So then we can probably not talk about the roadway then. Sorry. What's >> authority having jurisdiction? So think think state fire marshal or inspector. That's what that is. >> Yeah, it's clue clue, right? >> Um >> so but the the the tank is is probably one of the last one of the last things that is kind of a variable. But um >> and hasn't the tank you've mentioned the tank a couple of times. Hasn't it been kind of an issue >> all the way along? a bit, but I mean it's kind of a a a little different kind of system. So folks are kind of, you know, working through it, but there's a lot of professionals working on it. And I think that the civil engineer
015has a good solution. And so we're going to rock on and make it work. It'll work when we leave. I promise you that. >> I'd like to make a couple of comments about this project. I haven't seen it, but I from what I hear that people have seen it, it's it's really going to be wonderful. But we were really blessed in Crescent City by being able to for the district to purchase this site. It's an ideal site. It's within the city's ability to give us services. uh and it's a a great size. So, we were very blessed in in that area. So, it's it made this project I won't say easier, but it would fit the site very readily. So, we're we're very blessed there. The only concern I have, and I don't think it's
016the district's issue, is the intersection at Union and 308. That's a bad situation. And at night, it's even worse. There's no lighting. So, I'm going to talk to the city and the county and see if that can't be remedied. I don't know if the district can do anything about it or not. >> You want to comment on >> what that roadway is going to do? >> Um, they had to have traffic studies done out there or not. There was recently a bad accident, but thankfully it had nothing to do with the site that was out there and that does bring some concern. We can only light what's inside our uh our our property. And actually, they they're pretty stringent on that. They don't want you casting light on anybody else's property. But uh that would
017probably the county could probably they put street lights up. There is that restaurant right there. There possibly they could put a street light up something there. Um but the traffic study was done prior to prior to construction. And we are in part of doing the offsite paving. There'll be some improvements done to Union Avenue as it gets up to uh 308 there or Huntington Road, whichever it's called. Um but there's there's no lighting out there, but I don't know. I don't think we can light that anymore. The county can come in. The board of county commissioners could put lights up if it needed to be done. And that may be coming. There's been some traffic concerns >> tonight. It's difficult to see the intersection. >> Yes, sir. >> Anyway, >> Mr. For your way. >>
018Yes, sir. >> So, sounds like we're barreling towards the end. >> Yes, sir. >> So, um a couple of uh holding true to our mission of following the dollars, which is what we're entitled, which what we are charged to do. So, we get to the end and we move into our new house and we find things that need to be corrected. Tell me how that whole process works. >> Yes, sir. So, um there is a one-year written warranty to the Putton County School District. And then unofficially, I should probably never say this, but we marry our buildings. So, I mean, I think Mr. Pierce would probably say the same thing about his. So, you know, you always have us if there's a problem, but officially a one-year warranty on the entire the whole thing, bumper
019to bumper. >> Okay. Now, so when you >> And the way that works is >> be >> careful when you talk car talk. >> Way the way that works is the way that works is you call Justin, you call me, and that's all you got to do. Whatever you got, one person. You call one person, and we're going to handle that warranty from start to finish. We're going to gauge the subs. We're going to schedule with you around your your your schedules, all the whole deal. >> So, as a car guy of 45 years, >> let me ask you this. So, does that include issues with things that were purchased that went into the building, not just construction? >> So, it would be it would include anything that we purchased or installed. So, like example,
020if the district purchases furniture on their own, that's theirs. Um, but anything that we purchase or install with our materials or construction related, it's all it's all us. >> That's you're going right where I was headed with that question. >> So, because we did purchase, we being the district did purchase a number of things. >> Yes, sir. >> What contingency I guess is going to go to you. Do we have in place with that? And is that our charge to follow those dollars? Well, the the stuff that was purchased through uh the items are purchased through through an ODP, the owner direct purchase. There's especially electronics, a lot of those come like they said with the the same thing, 12 months kind of thing. But then some of those and I can't speak to each
021one, but I believe um like the DVRs for the camera systems, they come with 12 months and I believe we're purchasing they're looking at purch's done differently. Um, you want to speak to somebody? Yeah. >> One thing, >> Greg Kelly with CRA Architects, the the FFN, the fixtures, furniture, and equipment, the package that was bought outside of theirs. I've worked many years with the guy that's providing that. He provides an extensive warranty with that. He's one of them. Like these guys, all you got to do is call him, one phone call, and he'll come back and take care of that. So, I can I can vouch for him in the furniture. >> And again, just beating this dead horse a little bit more. But that under our mission that is not part of our review.
022Correct. Because that was purchased outside the bond. No. >> No. Still bond. >> It's still bond. >> Okay. Still >> that's a deception of this report. >> You've uncovered something. >> We gave up our warranty through them. >> We bought direct materials. >> That's exactly where I was headed. >> Yes. Gave it up by buying stuff. I just I just want to make sure that now we got to go >> to to clarify one thing. Anything that's owner direct purchased >> through the construction progress like you know if it's drywall owner direct purchase that's still warranty by us. >> Just to be clear when he's saying owner direct purchase I think he means like if he's buying a cooler freezer or furniture but if we're owner direct purchasing construction materials that's still part of our
023one-year plan. >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. I just wanted to kind of bring that up a little bit and uh just have that in the forefront because um I'm not saying it's going to be an issue, but I don't want to get into a finger pointing. Well, wait a minute, that wasn't in our contingency to worry about. That was somebody else's. If it's still our mission to follow it, we've got to follow those dollars. >> So, if the concrete goes bad, then they'll they'll work with the concrete stuff to make sure it gets fixed. Is that correct? >> That's correct, sir. Yes. >> Okay. I got my question answered today. >> Thank you, Bill. So, Bill reminded me that something I already knew, but the but I appreciate it. I No, I didn't mean
024it like that. I meant thank you. So, also there are specialty warranties like roofs, um, you know, different things like that that have extended warranties. You know, HVAC equipment, certain HVAC equipment carries longer warranties than one year, but you have a full us involved 100% one-year warranty. Um, but like I said, if there's a roof issue in 10 years, obviously we're going to be able to claim that roof warranty if it's 20-year roof, right? Thanks, Bill. >> Just back on this report, something's I'm not sure we should be putting it out because we can't seem to get it corrected for those that are new. The left side has numbers which are very deceptive. Um, the original contract sum there, $68 million is the GMP cost. The changes there are not reductions to that cost at
025all. They are direct purchase materials by the school district. >> Correct. >> So the contract sum is is uh notice it's the same as the one on the right. >> That's that can't be uh so so the point is I whoever's preparing the report let's if this goes out to the public Wayne you said you use it for the public. We we don't have $11 million reduction of of of anything. Those are direct purchase materials that that the school board published. We just can't seem to label it right on this report. >> Yeah. >> And that has been some of the questions that the public have asked about especially the newspaper. >> It should it should be labeled change orders direct purchase by the school district. >> The only caveat is the tax savings that
026you would realize would be would you know there would be some deductive, right? But >> for new members that's >> but not the entire the 12 million is obviously misleading. >> Include the tax savings in the GP or not >> which we did in this case. Exactly. >> You included the page already. >> So Dr. Hunter you included on the last page uh >> I don't spreadsheet. >> Yeah. >> So if we look at the Crescent City column. >> Yes. >> On the very last page of this package with Virginia. >> I can't vouch for the guy who did that. Would you say that that's a better way to look at it because you have the tax savings in there which is 885,000 which is the real savings >> which which does give you as
027Jim just mentioned they deducted the tax savings from the GMP >> right >> so you don't get any more credit for that but uh I no I think we should just state what the actual cost of the materials are and let the savings work out. >> Yeah, >> but they look like they're a deduction. They're in the red and they get subtracted. >> And uh >> anyway, I suggest we try to fix the report to get something which represents the true cost >> and the numbers on the right hand side. If they were correct, they would also >> but I I'll go over this. This is mainly for the Melrose school. Okay. I'll go and get Okay. >> Any more questions on Crescent City? saw it here. >> Oh, by the way, what is the
028>> dust settles all over? How much >> all the GC is spent? >> Um, about 99%. But again, >> yeah, >> it does settle, >> right? But again, we, you know, we're not, it's a little misleading because you spend a lot more GC's when you're going hard and heavy with the construction. Obviously, we're nearly done. So, we're not spending near anywhere near as much on GCS. Now, >> when it's all done, will you build 100%? We will probably yeah we will build a >> all the GCs are contingency where will that end up >> very likely not much left if any >> of zero and then the sub costs are going to be >> sub cost be 100% because we have we're committed to do >> okay >> whereas we have a million dollars over
029on that right we talked about last time there was more contingency in that first project than there was in this one >> that is 100% correct so you our contingency rate was pretty low on this particular project >> and have two. That's not correct. >> It it was >> they're they're the same. >> Uh are you talking about on the the element? Yeah, it was 2318 versus 2152. That's basically the same. >> But the project was how much was that project worth though? >> What was the GMP? >> 8 million by $8 million. Yeah. Right. >> Right. I think 10% >> I think it was a 3% versus 4% contingency is what I remember. It's not right. >> Could be. Could be. I don't know >> what's what this what do you >> his question
030is what they're trying to the point they're trying to make is the project that Osley did >> had contingency remaining. But we had established at a previous meeting that that project started off with more contingency >> like percentage wise. >> I got you. >> So that's >> it was slightly higher. percentage is higher and the project cost is higher. So that number was much higher, >> but not much. >> Got some numbers just >> talking about 10% they were within >> just 600 grand. That's a lot. >> Yeah. I I'm having trouble comparing because I don't know the values on that other project, but I know our contingency rate was I think 3% which, you know, usually we're trying to get four to 5% if we can, but so it was pretty low. >> All
031right. You want to move to next school? >> Yeah. Kelly Smith. So Bryce, you want to come up and give a >> Yes, sir. >> 30,000 foot view of where we're at. So Bryce again is boots on the ground every day. Bryce. >> Oh yeah. Primary >> Black Primary, not Kelly's. >> So at Packa Primary, we're just now starting off. Um we've been pouring footings. Um getting ready for some slab work, but mostly doing underground. um have all the not all of it but doing in the sorry >> it's okay >> in in the cafeteria and this wing 600 we have a good bit of our electrical in uh plumbing in and then around the site we've been doing site work. We plan on tapping hopefully by the end of this week into the main
032water line and then beginning the uh fire line next week and that will begin at bringing water into the site. Um it's about it right now. >> Yeah, it's it's pretty start it's starting. >> Yeah, we got we're playing in the dirt a lot is what we're doing right now there. >> Um >> you you really need the students to be out of school, >> right? >> That they've done really good about trying to get this scheduled. We're going to give our people PCSD people roughly a week to get out of the way is the best way of putting it. We're getting our stuff in. They're we're shutting down the cafeteria roughly two weeks early and do some brown bag lunches so they can start pulling things out getting ready. So as soon as we
033can get our things out of the way because that site will not be a school site for a calendar year basically. Then they're going to move their blue fence out, fence us all out and then they're going to be able to start demoing and kind of go to work because right now like it's been surgical like it has been on so many sites trying to get this happening without disrupting class and parents coming and going. So the second third week in June, it's going to look like a different place if you go by there. And then we'll have that calendar year and if the Lord will bless us with no hurricanes, everything will go well. That's our, you know, that's the one thing that that's the unknown that we can't control that's been we've had
034a lot of talk about that. >> Speaking of hurricanes and just because you said it, the wing that's staying that is the hurricane shelter. Is that available >> construction? We we have opted with uh county EOC to go we're going to move to the Blacka Primary Placa intermediate school for that year. We've already moved the ConX trailers over there. It's been a lot of orchestration to make that happen. Um the plan was to keep it there, Jared, but then we literally were going to have one building. >> It was going to be wired and it was I was afraid it was going to look like a bombing range around it. So, >> we're going to do that and then there's enough at the Palak Intermediate School for him to get in, get out. Um, we've
035already walked it with EOC the and fire rescue and everybody in their brother has looked at it now to see I actually think they like that better than Kelly Smith, but that's that's not an option. You can have it for one year. It's kind of where we're going right now. We the plan is to do that. They're going to keep that building up and running, but they're going to gut it while it's there. There's going to be a lot of work going on to bring it up because it'll be the only remaining building that's will be from >> Yeah. the existing structures. Yes, sir. >> Oh, so question for you. So the the activities you just talked about the dollars for all those activities are coming from where >> for the the moving the moving
036things around. >> Yeah. >> That that I that that's not bond money from my understanding because that's we and I think you raised that Wayne last time. why like what are we are we statutoily required to do it and there there was some research in that and I don't I can't quote chapter and verse but basically we as a school district have to provide the building and the facilities for them and then the Red Cross staffs it and with the Kelly Smith shelter because that's a special needs shelter they have special needs so the health department's in there for all the medically fragile that sort of thing so we are I was told statutoily required to have a place for them to have it And that's why I've had to jump through all these hoops.
037>> But isn't it true that we do pay for it out of bond funds if it's constructive? >> Well, that it's not >> I thought that was an issue. We're paying for and they're they're setting the requirements. >> Well, I think I think that it we're retrofitting the existing building but as classrooms and we're not we're not putting new like medical equipment or anything in there. We're not fortifying the building to be a shelter. That was that that shelter building's been there for 20 years. I mean, roughly. >> So, we're what we're do what the bond money is being used for. They're pulling the grid down. They're redoing walls and that sort of thing. They're not but they're not changing the structure of it. There's no additional equipment going in to make it a medical
038facility or anything like that. >> If I'm following your question correctly, >> I'm just trying to say is other money coming into the project for emergency management. >> Is anybody else paying for anything? >> I don't believe so. I It's all bond. >> So it is all bond. >> I think it's all bond because it was it was a contention issue when we talked about the contract. >> But if it's used as a hurricane shelter, Red Cross health department, I mean, there's money that comes in to pay for that stuff. >> Yeah. We we get once the disaster, the emergency thing is over, we get rein we get refunded money back every time that happens >> for the operational money. >> Yeah, it's operational money. money. >> But there but I think I think the
039qu if I'm following what you're saying, we're not building a new shelter. >> We're we're basically retrofitting the classrooms that become the shelter. There's no there's no more fortification going on. We're not putting oxygen machines in or any extra electricity. >> We're bas that was all paid for >> 20 plus years ago, I believe, because there's no none of the new builds are shelter builds >> that are coming out of bond money. It's it's a classroom building, right? >> So that's what it's primarily used for. >> Yeah. It's it's eight classrooms and some of them are STEM rooms. So they're already they're bigger rooms, bigger closets. So when we when the EOC declares an emergency, we basically pull all the stuff back and they move the special needs people in. But there's no we're not
040doing that. That's a good question. We're not like building another shelter that would be above and beyond school use. But but we are doing the school rooms as we should. >> Yes. >> Right. So whatever is being spent. >> Got you. >> Yes, sir. >> I see it says 25 August 27. There's a kind of a two week and schools start a couple weeks before that. What What are you going to do with them people for two weeks? >> We've had this conversation quite a bit. It that's I I mentioned hurricanes. We're doing they're doing everything they can. We're doing everything we can to try to as soon as the kids are gone, we're going to start moving. Okay. Um, we've gotten down to I think one gopher tortoise that may or may not be
041there. Um, you know, there's there's things that are really outside of what we can do, but the the plan is obviously school school will be in session then and that an early thing. If we if we've already talked about nobody wants to do it, but if we had to do it, if if there's some thing we can't get around, a hurricane, we can't get supplies, something happens, we could move in potentially whether it was after Thanksgiving or we probably do worst case would be give them December to get moved in and when school comes back after Christmas, you start second semester there. That's kind of a worst case. It sounds very simple, but there's been a lot of push back as always. want to they see a new school, the kids want to start day
042one in a new school. But we're trying to plan for the worst and hope for the best kind of thing. And that's why, you know, we haven't had a hurricane bad in a couple years. But, uh, if we do have a major storm, that site's not really wet, but it's going to get wet. Um, well, they all are. I mean, if we if we if we're not careful, we're not lucky. Yes, sir. >> Hoping for hurricane, but that's >> Well, and you know, I say that as the countyy's trying to burn down. So I mean it's kind of >> it raises a question that >> here I think you raised. So if we missed we missed the date on horse club. >> Yeah. Yes sir. >> And we took possession of the school in like
043October something like that. When does the one year start? >> It starts with the declaration of substantial completion. >> Right. So, so in other words, this in that school, we lost that one-year warranty. We don't have kids in there checking things out basically and learning stuff. So, if you if you if you delay like we did on that school, a whole year, that whole year was consumed that with the official warranty. >> That would be October 2nd, right? >> According to if we see a head like that, we can, you know, when we start having those problems, we can adjust for that, JD. We'll make that work. Don't don't worry about that. >> And I I have a question. Not to bring up old stuff, but there's on this sheet there's not a contingency balance
044for PALAC primary. >> It's because we haven't spent any >> but there's so when I see a zero balance. >> Yeah. I don't know why it says balance because that's not really right. >> It's not it's expenditure. >> It's expand. It should be it's labeled wrong. So you're correct. But there has been zero. I don't know what the value of the contingency is. >> Hold on. Dr. Is that on his sheet? >> I don't have it memorized. >> It's a what? >> It's about the same as that. 2726. >> You have it. There you go. So, there's still 2726 in the bank. >> Any other questions on the primary? >> All right. Thank you. >> It's always a pleasure, guys. It really is. Thank you. We want to >> Melrose. >> What's the name of
045Melrose? >> Melrose. >> It only has one name. >> Melrose. >> JD, I think you before y'all start. Sure. I think JD's seen these questions, but uh Jamie Stalem. >> Yes, we gohead. >> Let me read them. >> Will you Yeah. You want to be I guess it's probably proper maybe you read them and we just >> um so Miss Stanley couldn't be here today, but she did email some questions about Melrose and I think JD's got answers for us, but let me just read them in. Um what is the process, regulation, or law for getting permission or from whom to remove large cypress trees? What happened to the cypress wood that was removed from the retention pond in front of Melrose? Did the district sell it? How much did the district make? >> Was
046it considered waste and we paid for it to be removed? That was the case. Melrose community artist and craftsmen would have loved to have made art out of that wood. Could this be a consideration in the future before throwing out valuable assets? So, we'll start with that fun one. Well, the the the short answer is they the the trees were removed and salvaged and they're actually drying presently at a a sawmill. There's going to be a large conference table made at the minimum we're getting a large conference table made out of them that will be put back at the school. Um the idea there's probably going to be an excess of wood once we do that. We haven't figured out this 8ft table, 10ft table. U Miss Leundy, the principal's been trying to figure out
047how big of a table we can get in there. And you know, we don't want to overbuild it, but we're going to use the trees that were there to do something for the school. And if there is, um, she's looking at, I think she was called a heritage center possibly on site, too. And there may be pieces of it left if we can, anything we could use back there is to to look nice, to enhance it a little bit that's not really structural, that's going to be used. They were not put in a dumpster and hauled away. And could we make a note that if anything's not used by the school district that maybe it could go to the artist of Melrose if that's >> that I mean that I don't >> I wouldn't I
048I wouldn't see an issue with that. I mean >> we a district >> I mean that' be a district decision to see what they want to do if they consider it an asset or not but outside of our control. But we'll >> we'll help any way we can. >> Let's put that right back in. >> Wayne says it's going to be your job. But the the reality is I'm going to have to go back out there and talk to Leah and say some of your people are concerned. This was brought up. Use as much as you want, but keep keep everybody in the loop because I mean, they may be wanting the scraps that we would think are scraps. And right, Miss Stanley may want to do some sort of project with them, but there's
049definitely pieces of it. Um, but the sawmill would probably be great for somebody to haul the scrap off. I mean, really, that's in the in the end of it all. But these are pond sappers, right? >> I I really don't know. >> I have no idea. >> I don't remember. >> It's just around a pond. >> Yeah. I don't remember, Dr. Hunter, what they were. I I've written by them 100 times, but they're gone now and I couldn't I'm not sure what >> I'm just glad to hear that >> Yeah, >> they're being used. >> I think that was Miss Stanley's original concern. >> Yeah. To put a desk into the school that's made out of those trees. Pretty awesome. >> That's amazing. >> Yeah. Okay, let's go with your updates, sir. >> Yes, sir.
050>> Good evening, everybody. Um, I've been here before. I'm Chris Shepard with Paris McCall. This is Bill Pearson as everybody knows, but a new face. Um, >> can you speak a little >> get a little closer? >> Yes. I'm sorry. Thank you. Some of us old guys can get closer. >> Yes, sir. >> New face is Mr. Mike Turner, uh, who's also working on the project with us as project manager. Um, so the the current update is we're just getting started really out on site. We've been out there for a couple months, but a lot of the a lot of the preliminary work with some asbestous abatement and some renovation of building six as we've already discussed uh in previous meetings. Um, we're still working with utility relocation and we will for the probably the
051duration of the project. just trying to chase everything around, making sure that everything stays active in the buildings that are going to remain until the end. Um, currently, as you know, the site work sub is on site, has removed the trees. We've got a building pad um built, and they've started working on one of the retention ponds on the south side. So, it'll be the um southwest side of the property. There's another retention pond in the back which we're going to start working on in the summer and that's just south of building 14 15 16 but currently that's occupied. So we're not working down there yet. We are making provisions to start working on the north side. There's a little horseshoe loop where the current modified uh parent drop off is and we've taken over
052the uh northwest corner of the property and that's where the cypress trees were. So we're starting to see structures show up on site. I believe we've got seven on site right now uh to start working on our RCP. So, this is all the storm water management. Um that retention pond is still in place to a certain degree with that structure in there, but as we start working on the north, there's a structure in the horseshoe that's going to tie everything together. Um, we've carved out the the large bus loop now on the west, just graded it, uh, rough graded it, and um, we've got sanitary structures that run between building four and five, which are the admin. That's got to stay in place until the new admin media gets built. So, that's what we're currently
053working on. Um, we did finally get the the uh, lift station designed and approved, and that is cut loose. I don't know if we have a a date on that yet, but our intent is to install that this summer and we're going to have to do a workaround because we're going to have to leave those those buildings in service as a sanitary rolls out. It it still continues to serve building four and five and I believe it picks up a couple other buildings like the cafeteria and building 7 that all roll over to that lift station and then um force main down to the wastewater treatment plant. So that's that's currently where we are. Um we are still working on the buyout process. Um we are about 90% bought out right now. We did just
054receive a couple more packages. We had to uh rebid because we didn't get enough participation to warrant opening those. So we rebid those packages. There were four total. Um we just opened the the last two packages I want to say uh the week before last. So, we're working on scoping and buying those out. And we've still got a handful of other packages to buy out, but for the for the most part, the majority of the packages have been bought out. It did take some time to kind of work through that process. Um, there's still some items that are currently being designed like the wastewater treatment plant. Um, and then some other, you know, audio enhancement, which we've got down in 14, 15, 16. We're adding some additional uh audio enhancement and some uh AV to
055the cafeteria and the gymnasium. So, >> on the things that trying to buy, was it is it location or is it is there any reason why it's been difficult to get the bit the subcontractors >> um some of the packages and I forget which ones? I think that the kitchen equipment we rebid the signage package. Um, we only got one bid. I I'm I'm not sure why. Casework, you know, we solicited to 12 14 biders and I think the first go around we had one bid arrive. The second goaround we had we had three bids. So, we were able to get a little bit more competition. Um, I think signage package some some of the docs documents may have not been fully developed. There were a lot of questions and they may have backed out
056for that reason. We gave them a little bit more time. We got a little bit more information. Um and and we got more participation. >> Curious. >> Was it well on the casework? Was it sophisticated or something? Was >> not really. I mean it >> that must be a sign of the economy that there's a lot of work out there. Well, there there's also >> I was going to say there there's also, you know, higherend custom case work and then you have, you know, school case work, which is often time plastic laminant. Um, so there there's kind of sectors and, you know, some some casework subs won't bid a certain because they know they're not going to be competitive. Um, so some of them probably backed out for that reason. Others, you know, maybe that
057the economy is you know, roaring and they're tied up. They couldn't get to it. But, um, again, we were able to get three this go around and it may be location, but do you have something to say on that? >> No, that's fine. >> Okay. >> I have a quick question on our sheet here. >> Yes, sir. >> We have um 7.3 million in allowances. >> Explain what that is. That's None of our other sheets have that. >> Yes, sir. You want to go? Well, I'll just >> I'll let Chris talk about all the numbers, but we touched on this before, but I do want to make sure that everybody knows that the the scope of the Melrose project is entirely different than the scope of the other three projects that the bond oversight committee
058has been involved with. U the campus is staying active. Building one, the old wood building that we already tore down at one point, housed a lot of the brains and systems of the campus and it spread out from there. When the new admin building was built many years ago now, those systems had to get out of that building one. They were looped into building four and five or building four. And now that we're tearing building one down, I mean, there's a lot of utility work and a lot of coordination that has to happen to make sure that the life safety systems of fire alarm, intercom, everything else, internet are all still going to work. There was an existing transformer that fed power to part of the school that was right next to building one and
059that had to be relocated. So, there's a lot of >> unknowns, >> a lot of unknowns. And and that's that's what's going to go to your question about allowances. We we do put a decent number of allowances in there for things we we know we're going to have to do, but the scope of them isn't fully defined yet. Um I'm sure everybody's aware. I mean, you you walk on a campus like Melrose or like we're doing down in Crescent City, it had one building and then there was another building added and then two more buildings added and all the utilities that go in underground were all put in so everything works. But when we show up on site and we're going to tear that building down, we have to figure out how that impacts the
060rest of the campus and reroute a whole bunch of utilities. And the logistics of these type of projects necessitate the allowances that we put in there. And those allowance dollars, I think I mentioned this before, those allowance dollars aren't spent just by us. When we determine what's needed with those allowance dollars, a lot of times the design team has to give us information so that we can accurately know what we have to do and then the subcontractors will price it and then we review it with the architect and school district before we spend those monies. But those monies are in the GMP because we know we're going to need them. We just don't know quite to what extent until we get further into it. So kind of a general comment >> sense to me. Yes,
061Dr. >> I was going to report on that GMP that is this a good time to do that? >> Go for it. And we work with them up with JD and and construction manager team on the GMP before the GMV went to the school board. So the observations will come from that view. Um, if you look at the sheet that I passed out with the four GMPS on it, small print first, I found it difficult to summarize your GMP because you didn't summarize the trade trade skills categories and every time I summarize but there about 50 numbers there. Every time I summarize them, but I did ask Alice and she you did summarize them substantively. Okay. But that's why you don't get exactly the same numbers. There's there's a rule. If you add up more
062than 50 numbers, that's always a mistake. So, so if you do it again, summarize the categories because that's how we keep track. Okay? We keep track. Anyway, a couple things to point out. One, you've already at the very top you see something where you 5.6 million of allowances. That's what Jerry just asked about and and we knew about that going in. And uh it came down to a fundamental question. Do you spend time designing and and figuring it all out and trying to get you to get on with the project? And the judgment was get on with the project. We didn't want to have another effect. So um and then the other one is the ERPs at the bottom. There are two early release packages 4.8 million. So uh there's 25 million dollars worth of
063work in the basic community and 5.6 of it is in allowances. So that'll have to be managed. JD will have to manage that. Just just as you said everything to be I did have one question about it though is what's the likelihood of it going out for bid versus being done like GC >> for the allowances. >> Yeah. To be able to get bids. >> The way that those allowances will be spent will be I'm trying to think of a good example. I mean those allowances will be spent with the subcontractors that competitively bid the project and were awarded the project. If there's Chris mentioned it, if there's additional uh electrical components that are included in some of these allowances, the electrical subcontractor who competitively bid and award was awarded the job, he will do
064that work. >> Which is to say for the allowance, there won't be competition. >> The allowances there will not be competitive bids among a bunch of different vendors. with some exceptions, but those vendors will give us pricing that we will review and architects, engineers, and the district will approve. >> But it's still non-competitive money. >> But I I get your point that if it if they're in the middle of doing something and find an unknown, it's going to be a lot cheaper to have that person finish it than go out to >> Yeah. But it's it's like it's any contract that has 20% of stuff uncompeted, you lose the advantage cost savings and lose no competition. I think that it's a practical thing to do is just what you said. But nevertheless, what the more
065you have that didn't get competed, the less possibility you haven't get savings. The only savings we get by doing this is competition. >> Yeah. >> Otherwise, you just said, "Bill us whatever you want, we'll pay it." >> Well, I mean I mean and you're right. I mean, I I totally understand everything you're saying. In the $5.7 million of allowances, there there's a few big ticket items. Chris mentioned the wastewater treatment plant. When we got the documents to bid the project among our site contractor that would do the wastewater treatment plant, there wasn't any design at that point, and there still isn't about what's going to be required to replace this wastewater treatment plant. But to get the project moving, we had to establish a definable scope for the site contractors to bid on. And they
066bid against each other. And and yes, there's a $1.3 million wastewater treatment plant that's still being designed. Has to be permitted through D and everybody else. And it's going to be done not this summer, but next summer. So there's some of those. There's $250,000 in the lift station, I believe, that we're currently doing. the existing lift station. Another one of those existing conditions, but it is tight right up to an existing building. I said not as tight to the existing building, but it was going to be extremely tight to the new building in its location. So, now it's been decided that older lift station needs to be moved farther away from the buildings in case it needs to be serviced, replaced, or has bad odors, anything that could go on with the lift station. But
067that wasn't designed. So, we carried an allowance for that. But yes, our site contractor is going to price that work and we're going to award that to the site contractor. >> So let me let me >> you get my point. >> Yeah, I see what you're saying. The other thing is in my evaluation of things is always you have comments in the people doing it that they'll see to it >> and I came to that judgment they would see to it. >> Right. So the idea is get on with it. >> Yeah, >> that's what happened. >> So I wanted to I I wanted to add something just an example the the lift station. So there is value in having a site work contractor on board. So before we put these allowances together, we we
068asked the engineer, the civil engineer, we asked the sitework sub, we had discussed it amongst ourselves, what would be an appropriate cost to put an allowance in there for this lift station. So we put 250,000 in there. Through the course of discovery, we actually requested the assistance of the site works sub to pump down that lift station, shoot an elevation that was missing, an invert elevation for the force man that's going out to the wastewater treatment plant. They did. We got our surveyor involved. We got the information over to the civil engineer and we were able to finish the design. That pricing just came in at 145,000. So, you know, there there's there's value in some of this, but Dr. Hunter, I I completely agree. Like Bill had already said, I mean, you do lose
069a little of your little bit of your competitive edge when you, you know, do it within the project rather than putting it out on the street for bid, but we we work hard just as well. I'm sure Ajax and everybody else, >> that's what we rely on. >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> Fair prices you can. I had a couple other questions about that. Notice that um I noticed that looking at this one that your the rate at which you secure bonds and insurance is twice all the other ones we've seen dollar for dollar. Now, I would argue that the school district should be keeping track of these costs and should compare it when they see the GMPS, but we notice they're doing the GMP thing and the question is um and I understand it's
070true at the high school in Pre also. In other words, for for $100 million project, you're charging twice as much for insurance and bonds as other contractors are charging. Why is that? Well, I will I will answer to the best ability I have based upon I I haven't seen this information until we got here. I understood that you had a bond and insurance question and I'm happy to I'm happy to sit down and go through anything in any detail you want. the only I was sitting back there while James and his crew were up here and I I ran some numbers based upon the information that you've put together and if you look at the insurance fees bond design number in the first project palaca that's about 1.83% of the overall project Crescent City is
071about 2.11% Kelly Smith is 1.6% 6% and our project is 2.9%. >> Right. Is about a million dollars more roughly speaking. >> I'm I'm sorry. This project is half the cost of others. So you would expect the cost of insurance market about 500 some thousand. So it's about a half half a million dollars. And the only item that I can stand here and tell you that I would like to have discussions with you and and maybe JD and Ajax and maybe Osley. I mean, we're we're competitors in this market day in and day out. So, I don't know their percentages on how they calculate things. I don't know their insurance rate, bond rate, and all those type of things. But, I'd be shocked if ours was significantly more or less than theirs. The one item
072that I do think I do want to point out is that there are different ways and maybe you all know this but there are different ways that subcontractor performance is guaranteed through these construction management contracts. Subcontractors can be bonded through the project and I don't know if Ajax and Osley bond their subcontractors. We utilize a program that's called subcontractor default insurance and that adds a premium of 1.3%. So if you take that 1.3 and I'm not saying that this is the difference, but if you take that 1.3% off of our 2.9% it puts us at 1.6% compared to 1.6% 2.1% and 1.83%. >> Is it something% of the insurance cost or 1% of the project cost? It's 1.3% of the subcontracted amount. >> So if a >> 25, >> right? So if a if a
073construction manager is going to bond their individual subcontractors, those bond costs are in the individual subcontractor line items. So you your your electric electrical contractor is going to provide a bond to the other construction manager. You're paying for it in that electrical line item. We utilize the SDI program because it benefits the project. If you I don't want to get into a whole bunch of history here, but there's a big difference to us. If a subcontractor is bonded and that subcontractor runs into financial trouble on our project or another project and is unable unable to financially or other reasons finished the project, we as the construction manager would have to go against that subcontractor's bonding company. >> And there is a long and lengthy process for a construction manager to go against a bond on
074a subcontractor. And I can tell you that any of these school projects with the tight schedules we have, if a subcontractor fails and you have to go against their bonding company, it is it is a long and arduous and time timely process. >> But if you have no claims, it's all profit. >> It's not profit. >> No, no, no. It's all profit from the bonding companies. >> Yes. >> Understand that. >> It's insurance that they provide. >> Yeah. But >> if the risk doesn't come to fruition, then There could also be thresholds that the first X costs so much and the next X costs less and you expect to see the bigger contracts have a have some margin. It's possible that's the case, too. I'm only questioning this. Who gets the money? >> The insurance
075company. >> Our insurance company. >> Who are they and who owns them? >> Why does it matter? >> Because I I'm not sure who >> what he's saying. >> The money is going to somebody, right? Yeah, but he's saying that they buy the bonds. They don't let the subcontractor. You bond everybody. That way if you have to claim, you know, you can turn it over >> bonds for everybody. >> Yeah, it just >> that's a slight difference. You just point that out. >> Yeah. And I and I'm not wanting to correct you at all, but there there is a difference. >> That's a simple explanation. I know it's more common. >> We're not we're not buying bonds for our subcontractors. It's an insurance policy that if they fail, >> we can enact our insurance policy
076and we can we can immediately go to work getting their work done >> instead of the time that it takes to go through a fight with the >> Those of you who know this is very much like title insurance in real estate, >> right? >> It's a national scandal, >> but you got to have it. >> You got to have it. But >> it's not going to be scandals while we're here because it doesn't matter who owns the insurance company. Doesn't matter. >> It depends on who owns the insurance company. My wife have any interest in insurance companies. >> No, sir. >> What is the school district? >> But and nor is the school. >> That's the question. >> Yeah. >> I own stock in insurance companies. I could care less who their bonds are.
077What? >> I mean, it doesn't doesn't matter to this project who the >> But the point is these contracts are costing more for bonding and there's got to be a reason. He explained a possible reason, right? >> Not necessary is paying more for these contracts for for insurance. >> With his explanation, I'm a lot more comfortable with his. That's right. >> So, you're willing to pay extra for these the way they cover their subcontractors. >> Yes. Right. >> And as long as that company's been in business, I trust them. >> Well, and with a tight schedule, I can understand why they're doing it the way they're doing it. >> Well, they do it on every contract. The same thing with the high school. My point was there's a lot of stuff that can happen. It
078seems to be okay. It could be a threshold issue. It could be what you explained about subcontracts. I just want to be sure we know we can say honestly it's going to a third party. >> Oh, okay. Where else would it go? >> Yeah. >> Well, he's saying you never work with companies. >> A shell company obviously. >> Yeah. Title companies are many time owned by the people in the in the business. >> Yeah. >> And they pro the point is I just >> and it's probably disclosed. >> It may be a fine print. That's disclosed. uh on this project >> and we and we will provide an invoice from the insurance company as part of our pay application to get paid but yes it does pay an insurance company. >> I'm sure I I
079never question that was never a question. >> Okay. I'm sorry. ju it it doesn't it's not this project but one of our the middle burning project just so y'all know we haven't run into this because the project's almost done but I think it's a recite contractor like a month in passed away and that's a huge and they have shuffled the cars and made it all work but there are projects that if they don't if it wasn't covered under the the general contractor it could be a problem because you get caught up in litigation and we don't have time to >> litigate >> lose understand that was that example on of the five projects we've done, we've already had one that could have potentially been an issue. And luckily, we were on a a green side,
080if you will, where there wasn't a big time time crunch. And my my only issue is I look at the different GMPs and I see an extra half a million dollars on per unit on this contract and I wonder why. >> Sure. >> That's all it was. Well, and the other thing I'll point out, I mean, we're going off and like you said, you add in 50 numbers, you can make a mistake, >> the number you came up with, maybe there's something that you put in there that's not part of actual insurance. >> It's labeled. It's labeled bonds and insurance. Yeah. No, that's that's not an error. Uh, but then I had another question which was >> on the ERPs, which are also 500 million $5 million. >> Were there bids on all that or
081all? >> Yes, sir. We substantially >> substantial I mean substantial percentage was bid. >> Yeah. >> And we had and we had bid openings with representatives from the school district. They were there. They were publicly opened and but those were publicly. >> Yeah. That's good. And then the other question is bidding on allowances you answered. You're going to do whatever you can which we use existing contracts moving forward. >> Yes. >> Good. No, thank you. U it's a little different GMP but it it was the right thing to do >> from what I can see >> it's >> any other question >> and I don't want to sound like a broken record but it it is apples and oranges a green field new build versus an occupied I mean phased build and Chris gave a
082good update on where we are to date but just as a little more information where we're going to be this summer we've torn down building one so we're going to start on the classroom building the administration and media. That's what tearing down building one allowed us to do that. This summer, we're going to renovate buildings 14, 15, and 16, three large buildings, put a new roof on, and a whole bunch of systems inside. And we're going to start tearing down the existing cafeteria so that we can build the new cafeteria. So, that that campus has changed a lot already, but it's going to change significantly this summer. So, lot going on. >> That's why there's $10 million of ERPs and allowances in a >> $30 million project. It's not related to when do you finish
083the Crescent City High School project? >> Uh we're targeting end of next summer. Summer of 27. >> So almost the same time as this. >> Yes. Be be similar. Crescent city has been a threeyear long and arduous project. >> It's making good progress. >> Any other questions? >> All right. >> Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thanks guys. >> Jonathan, you want me to speak at all on the black project or any questions? I mean, obviously not here. I just want an update. There's I can feel questions. There's some a few dollar changes that we're wait on the end dollar amount of how much contingency is going to be left over because this is the one that's popped up. There is some dollars left there. >> Yeah. Whatever you want to update
084us on. just that that this obviously this job's been almost done or done for a while. Having um Osley on site has helped because we've done a lot of I mean be beyond punch list items. They're going back through. Uh Kathy Oyster, the principal has been over there putting things up, moving around, being sure things are right where they are. The covered play that we had talked to you'all about before was going to be, I'm roughly quoting, $270,000 of construction. We've pulled back on that. There's going to be a concrete pad, a ramp out there. They can do all the activities they were going to do, but it's not going to be a covered play because that was it was a what it was over engineers too much for what they think was a great
085idea and they didn't realize what the the the final dollar amount was going to be. So on that um and they're still that's why we don't have a the the project's not done. They're still doing little things to get it done. That's still happening. Um, we have they're all the the the paving the striping is done. Um, I know it's right across the street from your house. They're going to be doing some restriping at the gate to try to better get people in and out the way it was designed. We've already gone to um what county commissioners about if they'd let us restripe the first little bit of it to get to get people in off the road because I don't want, you know, um my father lives in in the neighborhood across the street
086as well and I don't want everybody being jumbled. The whole design is to get everybody in that parking lot and off Horseman's Club Road. So, um there were some there's been some recent questions. I think people are starting to think it's coming. What's going to happen? How's our neighborhood going to be affected by it? Um but the the concrete should be getting pulled on that pad this week. Hopefully restriping will be done within the next couple weeks. The only thing really left to do branding wise anybody will see is the brand the branding committee, the school naming committee. um decide it's going to that we've got to figure out how we're going to honor Dr. James A. Long with that and I they they put some some mockups together and I think it there again
087we thought the committee thought it was going to be good to do one thing and they realized just how much it's going to be and we're going to basically duplicate that at the Placa Primary School and honoring Mr. Kelly Smith. So this got to have got to be apples and apples. Um, and the signage was going to be $23,000 to put some words on the front of the school. And I don't think anybody thought about that when it was named because they're custom aluminum letters. Well, obviously, um, my two cents on that when we started look at that. Well, we've, let's say roughly $50,000 between two schools. We're going to use bond bond money. There's something else. And everybody's in agreement. It sounded great to put big letters on the front of the school until
088we saw what it's going to cost. So, I think the end result will be the front of the school. We'll everybody's going to have a plaque, something just like we intended to do. We're also honoring Mr. Danny Martinez and Mr. and Mrs. Ellen Ellanar Miller um within inside the school. So, the branding is still going to be there. It's just not going to be as big as it was cuz I mean the the mock-ups were pretty but I I I can't I I can't feel what cuz it started at $30,000 when I first got handled the idea and we whittleled it down smaller letters and everything but that's a lot of money to put a name on a school that we could put a burn, you know, we can put a plaque out front and
089get the same bang for our buck out of if if you will. >> I have a question. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I understand what you said about the cost of the money, but isn't the current James A. Law School, isn't there a name on it already? The one is in Palka. >> I honestly don't know. I mean, I'm sure there is, Miss Kitchens. I don't >> If there is a name, why couldn't you take the name off the old school and put it on the new school in the same way with the Kelly Smith school? They have existing names that are across the front of the school in all probability. So, why don't you check into that and see if you >> I can ask that that wasn't something >> you have the name and
090then it would save money >> if it I mean I I will say if it's going to look I mean I went to Kelly Smith eons ago. So I don't if it's the same sign that was there when I was in fifth grade it we probably don't want to put it back up again but >> that long >> but we we we we can look we can look that's that's a good idea I had not thought about that >> sign up yes ma'am >> money we'll still I know the thing >> a big part of the cost was the letters but also those are they stand off the building and it's like to somebody's got to come with a masonry drill and precisely drill those holes to put you know to put to put them
091in it and the um that it's possibly to be done, but I it the worst that could happen is they'll say they're too raggedy to put back up there. We're not going to do it. Uh but we're going to honor the two people regardless. >> But I don't see I I don't think it's worth um I mean, and two, if we're going to put a plaque for Danny Martinez up there, why not put a plaque for Dr. Long? I mean, they all everybody contributed more than I'll ever imagine got contributed. All those people that we're honoring have done a lot for the community, a lot for the district, but I don't I don't feel right putting roughly $50,000 in aluminum letters up when we could use it somewhere else and for student education. >> And
092all those men were certainly valuable to the community. But the James A. Long School, in addition to honoring simply Dr. Long himself, it's an honoring the school and all the people that went there. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Uh Kelly Smith is the same way. Now, Danny Martinez is honoring the man. Uh but James A. Long is carrying the memory of the James A. Long school along with the doctor that was so prominent in our community. Yes. So it's like that double thing there for Kelly Smith and for James A. Long. It's not just like Danny Martinez. It was an individual who was very important. But those two names are schools plus the individual. So they carry a little bit of extra weight in my opinion. >> Yes, ma'am. >> But can we put something like
093see how this little sign is right there? Can't we create that and put that in the front? >> That that if you look at that that actually that was the first mockup we did. We were looking at on the bottom of that it has enforcement club road was already on there. >> They were going to pull that off >> and to do to do that. >> We're still looking at about $12,000 to pull all that off and put guy was going to have the address be just vertical on the side on the two sides. >> But you're still there again. Is it is 12 $15,000 worth to do, you know, because your letters are going to be very small. >> Um and are are people going to see it when you walk in the front
094door of school? If there's a plaque that says honoring Dr. something of that nature. It has been mocked up. The next Miss Sergy McDaniel was going to get some pricing on that to see because there's already a plaque on the left hand side of the door that's got the school name and everybody and the project manager and the people that were involved in it. We want to prominently display I'm sure you get back over here. >> No, that we want we want to have it prominently display where people are going to see it. Um, but they talk we did talk about putting on the sign. the sign was already up when they had kind of the aha moment of what how we're going to do it. Um, but we're going to honor them regardless of
095how we do it. It just needs to be done and I think a fiscally responsible way. >> And I wasn't part of the naming committee and I as I'm getting I was kind of handed a folder. Um, but we we we're going to make it happen. We just need to be sure we do it in the right way. Miss Jones, I think that first of all, everybody's not going to be going inside the school and people driving past would see the name on the outside. And $12,000 compared to the hundreds of millions of dollars being spent totally, that's chicken feed. $12,000 compared to four or five million compared to 58 million, that's pocket chain. So, why not have the names of the schools on the sign? So, what if there's a little bit smaller? Uh,
096I think that would be a splendid thing to do. >> Well, I I can recommend that to the I mean, see, I'll I'll get it mocked up. The guy's mocked it up nine times for me now. He's probably cusses my liver and guts every day when we call him because of that. Ju just because it went from 18 in to 12 inch to 9 in and this co and it's and >> well Kelly means my name. I'm a big >> it's I don't care. I don't care. I can do >> I was just going to say that really we could we have a committee that does >> that's not our scope. Yes, sir. >> Not our scope. That's Yeah. But but it is his job to do what he thinks is best. Mr. McClean. >>
097Yeah. I want to bring out something again to you that um since we're ending getting towards the end down in Crescent City as I talked to your public relations people and now that your project manager, I want to let us at your footsteps. I just think a good co we're asked a I know I am. We're asked a lot of questions about the money that's being spent on this project. And one of my retorts back to people that talk to me about it is the amount of money that has come in to our community through subs, through a lot of different things. I just hope somebody can capture that towards the end of this project and then release that information back out to the community that has been questioning the dollars. There's nothing wrong with
098them questioning it, but we need to we need to make sure that that's been a lot of money that has come into >> I agree because and I when I when I was on the board of the chamber years ago, there was that we could do that. When GP did a shutdown, we got a number. When Simol did a shutdown, we got a number in Florida powered light. So there's I mean that stuff still happens. So we should somebody can quantify >> the scope of this committee, but I just think it's real important. I mean, I just tell you back to back. I mean, we've we've sold some commercial vehicles to a lot of the subs that have come in here and we take that money and reinvest it in the community. So, I don't
099want that to be lost lost in make money on cars. >> We just tell me every time. >> Hey, you don't make no money. We're giving it to you. Yeah. >> Set yourself up. >> That's a good point, Wayne, because there are people that >> Anyway, make sure that's still talked about, kept to the forefront. It's hard to track, >> but it's good. >> But there there I mean there there are people that are leasing homes in the south end because they're not going to drive back to the other side of Gainesville every day. So there's there's definitely an economic impact on that. >> Yes, sir. >> I brought up this question last time on this school. They're too we need to get a total cost and that's going to take some work. >> Yep.
100>> These these schools are coming in about $75 million. So, uh, we'll, uh, we'll get to that, but, uh, there's a savings in the contingency of about a million dollars. I don't think we're going to spend it with the rest of this stuff, right? >> There won't be I think we're it's there's a little bit still coming in, but that's where I mean, there's a lot there because we pulling stuff back. There won't shouldn't be a lot more contingency on this project. >> My point is that money unspent, the profit should also be reduced. I brought it up last time. That's about $45,000 of profit that they shouldn't get. Now, when they bill when the invoice, the invoice for the profit should be less than is in the GMP. I hope somebody's checking that. >>
101No. And that my understanding in talking to Osley when we get this reconciled and part of it's the school district's fault because we've changed the sign changed the sign changed from you know we've we've done a bunch of tweaking to the to the end result and we've got to quantify at the end what that number is going to be but there's going to be a savings and that number is coming soon because I'm I'm ready Osley's ready to go home and give us a the school I think >> on the savings but there's also a profit on the savings that you don't have to Okay. >> Because it's a cost contract. >> So I'm just assuming when you guys do the invoices that you when they bill for their final profit, >> you multiply by
102the actual cost, not the GMP. >> So it's a percentage of actual cost is what >> percent of actual, not the GMP. >> Okay. Jonathan, >> as you're coming up, the only Sorry, I meant to ask you this before the meeting, but um any update on the issue next issuance of the bonds? >> Uh just today I was filling out uh POSOS information. Um it is going to the next board meeting. There's going to be a POS document on there. Um it is not complete but it it gets us some preliminary dates and stuff in there so that way we can move forward. Um a lot of the stuff I have left to fill in or have to have to wait to pull from different areas um is going to be numbers related. So, um
103I have even even as little as like an hour before this meeting, I was working on a little bit of the POS to go through and try to shorten some of that. But, um right now, we're still in the POS stage. Um we've reached out to Don to uh verify litigation statements in the POSOS. um an early rendition of it is going to the board, but the dates and everything as far as what we provided last meeting >> um I do not think those have changed yet. >> The big thing is to get it issued in June >> tax collector. >> Yes. >> Yeah, >> we want our big thing is want to get it issued before the end of the fiscal year. Um but yes that is also early enough for the tax collector
104aspect and and the 23 issuance was too but there was no early communication of from us to them that hey we're going out for an issuance or from them to us saying hey we're going to get commission on this. So um now that we know and expect that it's already in place. So, >> um there's a stack of stuff that was passed out while we've been here. >> You got uh it's it's 10 pages, two for each school. You will have a document for February's and for March's u expenditures for each for each of the four locations. The last document is the one I always have titled other and that just shows anything not charged to one of the schools. So again, you have a bottom right corner you'll have the date whether it's February
105or March. And um I actually apologize for y'all just getting them before this meeting. I thought I sent them out two days ago, but when Alice asked me about them at the beginning of the meeting, um it was sitting in my uh draft box still. So, uh we quickly, well, she quickly made you all copies and brought them over. So, I don't know if y'all want to go over them one at a time or if y'all want to review them first and just ask any questions you may have. >> I had one question. Um it was on fleck interview. We just finished that summary. Uh it looks all in order now, but the soft cost there were arctic. What were the soft costs? >> So at the very top I'm going I'm looking at March.
106I'm going to look at the most recent one. Okay, let me get >> um at the at the very top I have the board approved document for soft cost in the expenditures. We don't separate that out on our side. So, um I have and the top of every one of these pages say board approved GMP and that's just whatever I found on board docs that went for approval I put up there and the totals um should relatively match. I say it that way because I noticed on um which one was it? I think it was Crescent City Elementary. What was it? No, I'm sorry. Was Pla Primary. My number is different than the number that uh they had on their document up here. It's different by $800. So, I would have to go back and
107look at that. But um again, those numbers at the very top were me actually pulling documents from board docs that went and got approved and so I put them on there. The expenditures you see below are what has happened in Skyward as of that month. The differences you may see in the the packet they provided you guys versus what I have here is these the most recent I have is March 31st. Um it kind of sounded like when Ajax was up here talking they may have as recently as yesterday >> right they were going by their invoices not by the >> Gotcha. So >> but I think that that question leads to a much bigger I believe that's where Jonathan discovered that the board approved something respect to furnishings >> that 7 million. >> So
108yeah that soft cost I brought up an issue with our executive team about why that why soft costs weren't included in some of the other ones. I had a six o'clock conversation with uh James Meridian one night why his didn't versus the ones that did and he kind of explained they they treat their soft cost differently. Um, that's something I know, um, I believe Sarah Jean when we were talking about in the executive, we had to factor in all the different costs that were coming and if furniture was going to be more over the over the actual board approved document since it wasn't included in the actual >> way I read it is this is the only school that's allowed for furnishings and it's $7 million. And I I I asked I don't I don't
109Jonathan had a chance to look at it. How much money do we have left in the bank? I can I estimate about zero because we got three schools at 75 million more or less. We've got furnishings of $7 million times four schools that's 28 and we got got another school which is about 35 plus furnishings. And that I I I I had asked let's summarize how much money is left in the bank account. So on that note, if you go to the page that says other, it is the one that is formatted differently than the schools. Um, if you recall the reports I sent was sending a while back that y'all asked to have changed and simplified, actually every one of those reports had every school's value on there and would show a total on
110every page. Well, I took those off of the individual schools, but I left them on here. So, on this other document going and I'm going to look at March since it's most recent. You can see at the very top that with bond proceeds and interest, it says 217 million. And then the first section of expenses is going to be the actual quote unquote other. But right below that, you will see it says Crescent City Elementary 65 million, Melrose 2.2 2 million plaque intermediate 63.4. Those are the values which right below it give us a grand total of 137 million that has been spent. That is money that's gone. Um the unexpended fund balance remaining is 79.3 million with 5.9 of that encumbered. Now, I will say with the $10 million in interest up there, if
111you take all of that off, um you're left with 69.3 million from the second issuance of bonds. And that leaves us with 63.4 million of total bond dollars left. So, >> these are not the commitments for the schools. These are the expenditures for the school. >> These are the true expenditures. So, the commitments are still what you're Yes, >> my concern is the commitment. We just committed to three GMPS that that are not down here. >> And so that's money we've actually committed to. So the question was how much committed money do we have on the books including furnishings which evidently we are for one school only. >> So we have we have had meetings um because I went to my executive team and I I probably said o right in the meeting. So, um,
112we've had meetings and we've had conversations. We've, for example, we've made a decision already that for the remodel schools, we're not going to hire out um, a CM. >> Yeah, >> we're going to keep that in house because it's remodeling. It's work we can do. We can do with local contractors, >> but you can get a bid, >> but yes, we can still go through the bid process through our through our purchasing and everything. So for we've had the conversation around this already. Um because you know inflation from the original package and everything inflation changed everything with the prices. Um when it got to this point we had a conversation. I first went in there sat down with Rick Tanya Lara talked about it. John came in for something but we of course included him
113right in the conversation. Um so we've we've had a conversation. you've we've discussed a few of these things. So, um that conversation is kind of ongoing. We're not there to those schools yet. So, I don't think at least I'm not privy to any bigger decisions that have been made uh as a district, but um and yeah, if you I don't know if you want to elaborate on that. just what has been done or in the process of getting done is our purchasing department is going to put out um an RFP for the architect engineering piece on all three schools because all for instance Jenkins Elementary School and Browning Pierce are the same footprint were built very close to the same time they're in two totally different areas of the county so a re-ed roof is
114not going to be exactly the same on both schools the all of the oak trees that were on uh Browning Pierce have caused some issues isues over the years. So get we want to be sure that we have a true re- roof for a school, not just a blanket, you know, one sizefits-all. So they're going to put that out end of summer to get somebody to actually do the design piece of what needs to be done. So then we can go ahead and get the roofing contractor the um request for quotes on those out. And then the and then we will there's going to there will likely be a new building built at the Jenkins Elementary School. Um it's they're not sure if it's six to eight classrooms yet. So, with that one, we'll have
115to get a construction manager for that one because that's above and beyond the scope what we need to do in a house. But hopefully we'll have um re- roof at Brownie Pierce Elementary School, re- roof and building at Jenkins Elementary School, and possibly a re-roof at um >> QI is going to get new AC units possibly. That's in that. But that's that's we're but uh Aquilla, my brain lost. Aquilla will get is probably going to be re- roofed also, but that's we want to get the school bills done first. We're potentially thinking that work would probably be done summer of 27 the re-roofs, but that's going to obviously be quantifying what do we have left. We're not we're not going to spend overspend with that. >> What makes me my simple says there's no money
116for any of that. Well, then and we may we may get to that point >> because basically we haven't accounted for the furnishings which be that's probably $20 million >> and we got three GMPS that total 22 and we're spending 75 per school. That's 225 per three plus mail. >> I don't see >> you don't see what >> 75 per school. >> Oh yeah. You got >> Well, with the furnishings you no without furnishings. You got to add the architect fee in 5 and a half%. You got to add all the miscellaneous in >> and you quickly get to 75. >> So your your line of thinking exactly where my line of thinking was at when I had my oh crap moment. Um >> it put us um in the range of 259 on the
117four schools. Um and that's including >> that's with everything with and that's with Melrose included. um which would leave us with right over $40 million. But that number also doesn't include that's looking at 300 million. You've already got 10 million in interest and we haven't um the whole third issuance of the bond we haven't looked at any interest on yet. Um and we'll start collecting that immediately in July. The plan is when we get that in in June, I'm going to move it over to investments July 1st. Um, I could move it over earlier than July 1st. However, that kind of messes with how end of year, right in the middle of end of year and everything. So, depending on how my end of year is shaping up will probably determine that aspect. But um
118>> that summary is what I think we should see and more most our job is most importantly about in total what are we going to do the bond and right now I I you may be right 259 might be right number but in my my calculus it's more than that so it'd be good to that summary >> so just for example when we came up with the 259 and it was between 259 and 260 I was taking 35 million off for Melrose which put us at 224 million. So 224 million divided by 3 is your 75 million a piece just under. >> So that that is where my head was at. I first I saw it. I went to Kim. Kim verified it. Um I talked to someone else and then I went to executive.
119Could could could you prepare that summary for us though so we'd see >> as far as the estimated >> the total encumbered committed funds that we are due to pay and add in furnishings in all costs and tell us how you got the 259. >> Yeah, I I don't see why we couldn't do that. Um >> Jared, could you make a note to email requesting that please? I can do that. Yeah, >> but you're you're right. The other one I pointed out very >> I just have a question. So on February in February, what was the $8,782 fee correction >> on the very first page >> that intermediate >> uh you know CRV chargeback? >> Oh, it's on. I'm not exactly sure what the original fee was, but I noticed it came out of one
120and I was gonna say came out of one and went to another, but I actually see it twice on here. And thinking about it now, I do remember seeing it twice in the report, too. Um, I would have to I would have to pull the I can pull the backup port and I can look at the 8782. >> It wasn't that important. just >> when I'm looking at this now, I'm actually wondering if a prior charge if the journal entry was moving a prior charge incorrectly charged into this school and then because I see a second one of the same charge that's probably that current month >> maybe just charged to the wrong school. >> I'm thinking probably originally it was charged to the wrong school. >> It's actually a penny off. Yeah. >> Any
121difference between the two numbers? >> That shouldn't be >> That's >> Is it whether you round at each dollar you ran at the sums? >> Actually, there Well, >> I see. Now, I see on Crescent City there's a penny more. >> Yeah, but the two in the two entries in Crescent City match and the two entries in black intermediate match, >> but they're a penny off from each other, which is just weird. Yeah, I would have to look at the specific invoice because typically what I do is I go my report I go down it and I put everything in. Then I go back up and verify. Well, and in between I'm verifying the totals as well. And then of course, I'm sure you're aware of the game of when you you're off a few
122cents, you got to go find something. So that's always a fun one. >> I'll put that in my email. Any other questions for John? >> Do you have a sense how much we're paying uh the architects at Black Intermedia? >> You guys have remember we had all those other costs associated with the >> architecture. They were >> I think it was Amy that asked for the uh CRA cost. We got a bunch of detail which too hard to add up. I just wonder >> as you're wanting the CRA cost for intermediate. >> No, Casper plus CRA. >> Which school? >> Casper CRA wasn't. You You want to know what the >> CRA had a 6.6% premium on every school. They got paid 6% of every build cost >> to find out >> they had an
123overall architect fee that was unrelated to the design Casper had design I don't remember I put anything to do with the I mean you're saying they had like the design phase they had something >> overall >> yeah the first three years they were the charging >> oh that was Kelly's >> it's charged against every 6 cents per percent. So I just wonder what it is because we need to get back to what those total costs are for the school and you got good start here. So >> that may be the construction management. We got to dig into that with their when they had Greg Kelly was the construction manager over all the projects. >> That's correct. >> And so >> and then that went that contract sunset at February 14th 15th I think. That's right.
124And that's part and that was kind of the transition to me coming on board. >> That's it. Oh yeah, >> I can I can pull a report for just that cost center and then do it over the course of the entire time frame um to see the total we paid CRA. Problem is on the early schools CRA was getting paid for more than just that. Right. >> So then to actually separate it, let's let's say it's $10 million. To actually separate that 10 million out between their two different phases they were doing, we'd have to go and look at individual invoices. >> I don't I wouldn't go to that much detail, John. I think it's just how much can we attribute to the plaque intermediate school >> total for CRA >> total for and and
125then Casper they're they're five and a half%. And the question is how much was that? Just let's just add it all up and see what >> I I would just I would ask put that in the email too and that way I'll have a list. >> Yeah, I noticed you picked up your pen, right? >> I will. And then the other was to just get a checkbook balance of how much money's left. >> How much money is left in the entire project or intermediate? >> Okay. >> Including the interest for paying on. >> So if if you look at this other from March, >> that's not that's not commitment. expenditure. >> Correct. But it has commitments on here too. Um, it has the earmarked. Oh, you're talking about the total GMP. Okay. Yeah, we already
126wrote that down. >> Plus total plus total architects. >> Yeah, we we got that one there. We'll do that. >> Be very embarrassing if we went after a bunch of bids and had no money. >> That would be >> all right. Any other questions for >> our This may be a technical question. Last time we agreed to have an audit. >> No, we agreed to ask for >> I and I did that at the school board. >> And you did that. What who's preparing the scope of the audit? And >> I don't know that they agreed. >> I don't know. I think was it was it brought back to for did they want to bring it back for conversation? I don't >> don't remember was really talked about >> after I watched it after he
127made the recommendation. It just kind of died. >> That's where it started. >> We have a board meeting again next week. We going to edit it. Um I reached out as I told last time we had this meeting. I reached out to the state and got some >> some verbiage and basically said they are continuing to audit it, but we were looking at doing an independent audit and the board we can I can bring it back in front of the board again and ask what they >> they want to make a movement on it because I don't think I don't think anybody ever pulled the trigger would be best say they did hear >> Did you conclude the state is going to do an audit? >> Well, I'm I can't quote the verbiage but there's
128a >> I remember there was some kind of audit they do. >> I have I have an email. We don't need another general scope on it. We we need a >> How about that? >> How about when uh we get we pull up the email, that's something we can share with you guys on what the state said on it and then y'all would be able to discuss from there. >> I I have to believe the state does some kind of >> they said they something this big. >> I believe they said there is something they do. I just don't remember like he was saying don't remember the the guidelines around what they said. I read I read that email before and chair Mr. Chairman >> I was under the same impression that the state was
129going to do a detailed audit and I don't have that conclusion now. That's not what I think. >> I don't think that was ever approved. >> No, no, the state >> Oh, okay. >> The state we were told also told us when we found they were filling incorrectly that it would have come out in the audit. >> I remember that was very early. >> Yes. and and and I could conclude there being an audit, but it doesn't appear. >> I don't think it happened. >> Yeah, I don't think it's in schedule. >> Our last for our two new members. >> I know this was a probably a lot and confusing. >> The only downside to this is we do have to operate under the sunshine. So, we can't like meet afterwards and go over questions.
130So, do you have any burning questions? >> We use a lot of acronyms. Yes. >> If if you don't understand something, you need to ask us. >> Yeah. >> Are you going acronym? >> Yeah. And Alice, if you do have a question after this, if I may, Mr. Chairman, >> you've heard the word GMP. GMP. GMP. you can any questions that you do need answers to if you um email them to Alice she can get an answer for you. >> Okay, that's all good. >> That way we can't communicate time to actually go over this >> digest it. >> Yes, it's quite a bit. >> Yes. >> Any specific question afterwards? We just can't sit and talk about it. I understand >> these contractors just do things a little different. I've had remember houses built
131and things when it come to allowances and then then it kind of throw me off how they do their math. >> Hey James, welcome to our world. >> Welcome. >> You mean like a carpet allowance then switch the carpet on you? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> but I I was listening and so it kind of catching on and >> you feel at home, don't you? >> And he brought brought Dr. brought up a good uh opinion a question on the insurance because then I want to say how many insuranceances are there companies now I know when dealing with housing stuff you got lawyers of London is a major uh uh one that do insurance so I wondering if they getting a different one from anybody else >> right >> you know insurance company is an
132insurance company and there each all the contract get a certain uh coverage and then why they get a certain coverage and the other one Yeah. >> Is is was that a requirement for them to do that? Maybe that's something they might want to look at then than then it be cross the board and not have such a significant different in the amount because that that's a red flag right there. Why your insurance company costs more than the rest of them. >> There you go, >> Jonathan. >> Okay. So, I just wanted to go over the email he and I both just found. Um, we had communication first about exactly what we wanted to ask. Um, and specifically, this is what was said in the email. The nature of the request was to find out if
133if the state audits construction jobs or if we need to hire an outside company. We're asking this because if the state is not going to do an audit, the district may want to look at hiring a company to do so. Also, if the state is currently auditing Osley Construction LLC, what are they auditing and who is performing it? Um, JD sent that February 5th after our last meeting and got a response back. It is my understanding that the state does review the project cost. I know if it's an extremely detailed audit, there is oversight. I am not sure about Osley construction, but I will find out. Um, and I think from both of us looking at our emails just now, we have not heard back since that. >> Did you send it to somebody at
134the state? >> Yes, it was it was an I had an email from somewhere. Um, I'm not sure, but I gave him the email regarding it. >> We had a pretty two people on it. I reached out to them and said, "I'm the new construction management director. Can you please assist?" And this is our question. And that was the response we got back. >> It was to Elizabeth Braden of Capital Solutions. >> There aren't a whole lot of questions the audience, but the principal one in my mind is are the GC costs actually being paid. For example, they bid extremely high prices for all their personnel. If you remember the problem with Osley, they got the load. They doubled the load. >> Do these guys double loads or the loads the loads? And first of
135all, do the payroll records match >> what we're paying and what what they say they're paying because a common technique not in these contractors but in general contract is to bid X for a person and pay them 90% of X and pocket the difference. >> Correct. >> We'll find out. And James, to your the point you were making a while ago, you'll see as you go through this in your next life, you want to come back as a bond attorney. >> Yes. >> There you go. >> Yeah. A lot of money to be made in working on bonds >> or an insurance broker. >> That's right. >> By the way, I'll just say what it's really comforting to have JD on top of these issues. >> Yes, it is. >> Yes. >> Very much. Very
136much. >> Yep. >> All right. I have on our agenda, since we're entering our next three-year term, if we wanted to have election of new officers, it's not necessarily in our bylaws, but I thought I'd bring it up. >> I have a comment. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Uh with difference to the two new members, as far as I'm concerned, we should keep the members we have. I'm fine with you as chairman. I'm fine with Wayne as uh the vice vice chairman. I'm >> very adviser, but I'm fine the way it is. I think it's worked great. I I don't have any problem with keeping the the uh officers the way they are, but I'll defer to the new folks if they have a better suggestion. >> Sounds great to me. >> Yes. >> I move
137we keep the second leg. >> Second. All in favor? >> I >> with the pay increase. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I know. You got to pay for that trip, don't you? >> The bond attorney rate. Wayne will give you double what you're getting now. >> That's right. >> There you go. >> Next meeting. >> I was thinking we need to either meet right before school starts or right after school starts. I don't know which. >> I think before school. >> Maybe before. >> I think before. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And when does school start? >> The teachers come back like the last week of July, first week of August. It it bridges over there. First day back is August 10th. >> Seems something >> teachers come back August the 10th. You see >> the teachers
138come back >> the week prior. I want to say the first day of school was around. It's right around August 10th. >> Okay. First day of school. Okay. >> Yes. First day of school. Teachers will be back before that. >> How about August the 5th? >> Still still a Wednesday. >> That sounds okay to me. >> Yes. >> August the 5th. >> Oh, happy birthday. We'll have a party. >> I move that that uh Dr. Hunter bring a cake for us for his birthday. >> You tried to see public cake. >> Works for me. >> I'm good with everybody good with offic. >> Okay. >> All right. Plan on that. >> We don't have any public or if we did they left. >> They got tired. >> We know how to scare them off. >>
139Motion to adjurnn. >> So moves. Second. >> Everybody in favor get up and go home.