001thoughtful he is. I'll call us to order for uh September 17th. You stand. >> I'll lead us in the pledge and Mr. New will lead us in invocation. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> You bow your heads, please. Father, we come to you with with grateful hearts. We acknowledge that it all comes from you. Be with us as we go through this meeting. Uh it's all about young people, our the young people that we are uh educating in this county. Be with those who present and just be with the meeting as we move forward and be with us as we move forward in the coming year. The school
002system, the personnel, the teachers, all those involved. asking all of this in your son's strength. Amen. >> Amen. >> There she is. >> Oh yes, we we do have enough for a quorum. We do have a few absences, some family issues, some sicknesses. Um we do have a quorum. We do have a couple of new faces in the room. If we don't meet you by the end of the meeting, we'll make sure we know who you are, but I have a feeling we'll we'll know pretty quickly. Um and then is that Mrs. Bowling I heard back there? Yes, >> Mr. Bowling's wife has joined us, >> so he has to behave. >> Find out. >> Um, one quick housekeeping thing. We have some different microphones on the table. Um, last time our sound wasn't super
003loud. So, if you can speak up a little bit when it's more for us at this table when someone gets at the lectern and it's very loud. Just a different mic system. So, those of us here need to speak up a little bit. That being said, um you should have a copy of the minutes in front of you and you also had them by email. If you had a chance to review them, I'll entertain a motion for approval. I have a question. >> Yes, sir. >> One thing that did not get captured in the minutes, but I think we can capture it this time. Last time we asked for an estimate of total cost, total cost- which means for each school we would add up the total cost including land and all that. uh it
004wasn't captured in the minutes and we don't have in our in our handouts either. >> Okay. Uh Jonathan is on Zoom so I'll see we may be able to do it kind of quickly on the sheets that he gave us. >> Um >> and I might not include the land that >> right. It takes a while to kind of put it together which is probably why but anyway we we asked for it last time and we put in a minutes this time. It's it's fine to get it next time. We it's >> okay. We kind of know what it is but we we've been asked by the public about it. Right. So, I'll make sure we get that and maybe Jonathan can send it after the meeting. Give us a total. Okay. Anything else on
005the minutes? Entertain a motion for approval. >> Second. >> All right. Motion in a second. All those in favor? >> I want to oppose. All right. Uh, you can pick between Andy and Algra. It was kind of a tie. >> What' you pick? >> Motion. The motion. >> Me and Algra are together. >> I just wanted to know. >> He's going to get tortured today. >> Double A. Um, before we get into project updates, are there any specific items anyone would like to discuss other than updates? >> Are you going to give an update on your commission meeting? >> I can't. On just presentation. Yeah. >> Yeah. I quickly I mass spoke a couple of month and a half ago to the school board and gave him a report. Um they were all seemed to
006be pleased with it. Um I did I'll go ahead and jump to this. I did ask Holly Pickkins to reach out to J.R. Grimes because he's missed a few meetings. Um she did reach out to him. He said he wants to stay on the committee but he has missed this meeting for the conflict. So, um, I'll reach out to Holly again since I can't call him directly and just ask if she would reiterate that he needs to be here at the next meeting. Make sure it gets on his calendar and hopefully we'll not have to address that going forward. Jump into project updates. I have one. We may have you want to start with questions or >> Well, it's for you. So, Whichever you want. Whichever you want. I was going to start bringing people
007up. You got it on a specific project. >> I have Well, I think it's a typo actually on our update for Melrose. It said construction documents due February of 25. >> 26. >> So, it should be typo. >> Okay. Making sure. >> Thank you. Thank you. It's a long way. >> And Melrose and Kelly Smith. We don't have GMPS for either one yet. No sir. Okay. We're we're we'll get into that in a minute. We're starting design on on both of those. >> Okay. Go ahead with your update. Those are two questions. I >> Well, we have the same problem. It appears with those summary numbers where we have the total and then a subtraction related to the uh materials. I believe it doesn't relate the balance of contingency or or general conditions or anything.
008So, it really leaves us not knowing where we are on cost. >> So, you address that. It's on the summary. >> We talked about last time you if you subtract away the material cost that gives you the contract cost that you still have with the construction manager, but that's not really important to us. We what we care about the total. So it looks like cost of the project has been reduced by $13,000. >> $13 million on the first one. Yes, sir. >> Yeah. We talked about last time. It's it's a little it's a little deceptive in its >> presentation. It is. >> Okay. So I will start then with Palaca Intermediate which is the one you were I think on just then. Um it is progressing. It is nearing completion. We've got a substantial completion
009early next week. So we will be going through and doing punch list on that project. So we're at a we're at a good place right now. Um Osley is not here tonight. Um, but we'll see if we got any questions. We can answer them for you tonight on Palaka Intermediate School. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Excuse me. >> I will, while you're finishing that, I will say I did go look at the parking lot because I remember we talked about what are we going to do with all the cars and looked at the three lanes as you come in to help stack the traffic is what I believe y'all said yes we'll do. >> Um, hopefully that will that'll work. Do you have a question? Yeah. Same three questions every time. >> The things we
010really I care about and I think everybody cares about is where do we stand on contingency? >> Okay. >> With the numbers. >> Okay. >> And then where do we stand on general conditions which as you know is a cost basis not condition of the GMP. And then are there any cont that's the second question. Third question is how are all the subcount any any of them out of control? >> Right. So, if we could hear about that, >> the subs, it's all good because we're we're virtually done on that one. I would like to defer the the cost question. Oley's not here, but I don't have their specific numbers tonight. They uh typically the contractors give a presentation and kind of update everybody. I didn't know Osley wasn't here until I walked in the
011door. So, so they kind of caught me short-handed there. >> And they know the questions, they always answer. >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But but for everybody's benefit, that's all that really matters now is do we use the can you see up and in general conditions are still an open question. So where are we on that? >> Yeah, we're up and going good. So So I understand the question. >> So So somebody can give us the numbers. >> Yes, sir. >> Can you address that $13 million? Just explain it to the group again. >> Yes. the the the let's the original contract sum sum is 60,292595 on pilka net change by change orders is 13,127805 that is part of the direct DPO the direct purchase program that we have here the district is buying materials
012direct to save the tax savings so so really the the top line is the contract number but we're purchasing items through the district for the to realize the sales tax savings. So the actual contract cost currently is 47 million164789.55 >> and that's the way you have to do it to realize the tax savings. >> But we are spending $60 million. >> Yes, you are spending hopefully not. >> Yes. >> Yeah, we are. >> No, the GRP is $60 million. We'll only spend general content if they show cost for it and we'll only spend the contingency if they negotiate. >> Right. worst worst case scenarion minus contingency >> and and general conditions if they don't spend. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. >> Sales tax saving. >> None of these numbers are the cost. >> Yeah. That
013is the that is the current contract cost until everything gets backed out. >> Amount. >> Yep. >> It's what >> the committed amount if you will. >> But it's not a commitment to spend unless you show costs, >> right? Understood. >> Or negotiate continues. >> Contract value is a committed amount. So that's the 60 million. >> Yeah. and and and they should be able to you know typically that reconciliation is done more towards the end of the project. I don't know what their status is. I'm just trying to clarify but um you're right. You're absolutely right. So the general conditions that they don't spend will be returned to the owner as well as the contingency. So you're right that is kind of a moving target and the tax savings is another one of those. >>
014Yeah. Yeah. >> And and by the way does the does the fee construction manager fee count against the materials also? >> Well done. Good question. >> Question. >> Um, the contractor fee is against the gross amount, the actual amount, not the contract amount, but the actual amount I think. >> Correct. The fee is based on you typically depending on how contractor based on the the total cost or the cost of the work if you do it. >> But is it the actual cost or the or the state? >> I don't know how they >> It's not much difference, but my point is if there's $13 million of materials paid by the county, do we pay the fee on that? >> Yes. >> Okay. because it's the total cost of the project, right? >> Yeah, that's
015>> there's still responsibility and all those things that come along with that. It's just a matter of um transferring where who who actually writes the check for that material >> and you know that's by law you have to prove that you you are buying it directly and that's why it has to transfer into a purchase order from the public school district. >> I don't see anything personally wrong with that. It just is that's what the con construction contract amount is, >> right? Otherwise, you'd be penalizing your CMS or your constructors for participating in the ODP process. >> That's right. Yeah. I don't see. >> So, I have a question. So, it says uh substantial completion. So, just for me, like what percentage of completion is it like 95% complete or is it like if you
016put in a percentage like what would that be? It is 100% minus some punch some punch items. >> Yeah. At at substantial completion, you can start using the building for its intended purposes. >> That means parking lots, everything. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah, it looks looks really good. >> There's fencing, I think, still going up, but it's I'll see it every morning. >> So, I missed the first walk through. Are we going to do a a walk through after it's complete to see what it looks like? We talked about that today >> and we are going to schedule that. Thomas, do you want to weigh on that >> on on the walkthroughs they were asking about? We are we are uh we we talked about in my staff meeting today >> about scheduling a whole
017series of walkthroughs just groups of people and bond oversight committee came up and we said we make sure that we include bond oversight as well. So >> absolutely >> planning stage but it's chair. >> Yes sir. So maybe it's a question for Thomas. So when we're all said and done, will there there'll be a final sheet like this that will, for lack of a better word, advertise to the public? >> We're actually working on quite a few things to advertise to the public. Um, you know, in form of commercials, uh, website. Um, our communications department is actually reporting back on tomorrow afternoon uh with some of their ideas that they have on marketing not just this school but all of our schools because quite frankly we're in competition and we're all the alternatives. >> Yep.
018>> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes. >> When will students be on campus >> Next fall. So, we had I know we had talked very briefly about if we could transition some students to the school. It's just not feasible during the school year to do that. >> I think it would be too disruptive because you're pulling from several different schools. >> Yeah. Okay. >> We do plan on naming the the principal November. So, and we haven't really advertised that yet, but you know, there's going to be a lot of work when that principal gets in there. I mean, unbelievable amount of work, you know, just u scheduling and, you know, hiring and all that. So, there'll be a long process there. >> There'll be a custodial staff put there to take care of it. >> Probably
019not. Not until the kids get there, right, Thomas? >> Right. So, probably not until next year. >> That's needed between now and >> Okay. Well, it'll I mean, the building will be maintained. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> I assume there'll be security of some kind, but >> Yeah. But when does the furnishings go in and who pays for? >> Good, good question. We are working currently working with the district selecting furniture for the schools of meeting we're meeting Tuesday and Wednesday of next week over here. Um Sarah Gene will be involved with that. Uh we'll be at Crescent City PreK to 6 and Palka Intermediate. We've got the vendor that we're using. Uh we've gone through a selection process. the district has they've been selected and they are starting to select the furniture for all
020the classrooms, all the offices, everything else. >> And those costs will be reflected in the total cost even though that are they paid for by bond funds? >> They are paid for by bond funds but outside of the GMP. >> Oh, sure. Okay. >> Shall we move to Crescent City? >> Good. >> Got the the three >> James Marini with Ajax. I'll let him Thanks guys for having me back. >> You're off the boat for a few minutes. >> Thanks for having me back. So, um, uh, what we have is GC's and GRs, general conditions and requirements, um, which is what you you were concerned about. We are at about 60% um, uh, and the project has been build about 60%. So, we're about dead on where we're supposed to be. Um, we have not
021had any significant issues and that's probably, you know, that's always relative, right? So, like, you know, what would be considered a significant issue with a sub to to you guys probably wouldn't for people that are in it every day. Um, we have had a couple conversations with subs saying, "Hey, you know, hurry up here, hurry up there, but nothing of serious, you know, significance that would concern me, you know, overall project." So, subcontractors have been performing pretty well on a whole. Um, as far as contingency goes, um, we currently have a projected, so we have a current contingency in hand of 503 over $53,000 left, um, with a projected and what a projected is is I don't even know if it's relevant now. It's it's potential things that could cost and it's still up for
022discussion with the project team. So that would be everybody, right? the Putton County School District, uh the design team, us. Um so if you take those projections, and that's just a tool, you're still at like 250ish,000. Um and again, this doesn't mean that's going to be spent. It's just things that are potential possible costs. So right now, the important thing to know is 503,000 left. That's about 75%. So that's where we are on those three particular items. >> I don't know if you can answer this or anybody else can. the contingency funds themselves that say it's $300,000. Y >> where does it go? >> Um you mean at the end of the project? >> So the the the way in real simple like if if we had if we started with 10 bucks in contingency,
023right? And you know I don't know we found something in the dirt that cost us a dollar and we found something over here that you know we had to spend another dollar on and it's all team based, right? We all talk about it before we spend it. And then, you know, if you got eight bucks left, that is returned, you know, depending on the way the contract's written, right? But typically in a contract like this, that that $8 goes back to the to the project. It goes back to the owner. So, either it can be used for the project or it can go back as a deductive change order from the CM's contract back into your account, then the owner's account. So for the >> don't pay it. >> So for the committee, one of
024the >> questions I've had with the contingency is >> I guess we need to find out what the school district wants to do with the money if it does come back. My thought is do we pay it towards the bond the outstanding debt to start? I mean it it would speed up that payoff a little bit faster. >> I think we just never paid it in the first place. In other words, you just don't pay that amount to the uh contractor, >> right? But it's in it's in our numbers. We expect it. >> No, >> it's in the >> No, I do not expect GMPPS ever to be the GMP. So that because that's not the kind of contract it is. >> Yeah, Dr. Hunter's correct. So like if if if if let's say that
025take that same thing. If we had a $100 contract, 10 of it was was contingency, >> you know, and we we spent, you know, all but a dollar of the contingency, you would only pay me $91, right? You wouldn't pay me the the the hundred bucks because we haven't spent that contingency. we'd return that in a deductive change order and I would bill you out 100% at $91. >> Never comes out of the checking account. >> Correct. >> But back to my same point, it's money that we could have spent. I mean, if it went to full contingency. >> So, >> yeah, we could. Sure. >> So, I I mean, my thought is it's >> it's money that we had intended that could have been spent, we didn't spend, should it go towards paying the
026down the debt? And me as a citizen and what we keep hearing in Facebook world is that would probably be a good move. >> Well, I contend that it is going against the debt because we never wrote a check for. We never paid it. Hence, it's in the bank account on which we're drawing interest. >> True. >> Which is used to pay down the debt. >> But when we get to the next couple of projects and then the next two, we're going to find out we don't have enough money to begin with. So, you don't want to use that money that was left over from the original or from the first projects into the others. You want to >> I mean it's up to the district. >> Okay. I think I think everybody in Facebook
027comments hundreds of Facebook comments wants the debt to be paid down. >> Correct. >> I don't >> I think everybody is upset about taxes going up >> and maybe we wait till the end of all the projects that if there's a contingency at the end when you aggregate it that goes towards paying the debt. I contend it's all taken care of as the way the financial system set up now. >> Just let it go and that we'll never spend the money >> if there's anything left over and that'll go stay in the bank account. >> Have you ever seen a government entity not spend money they have? >> That's why we ask him these three questions is what's going on with contingency. >> That's why there's a great temptation. It's like having cash in your
028drawer. You kind of want to spend it. Jared, I I I had asked Jonathan who had talked to our bond attorneys about and and Jonathan, jump in here, but this um interest money um there's a a term called arbitrage, >> right? >> And and maybe you can explain it to the group, but um you know, that's just not free money to go pay down the debt. There's um I don't know if you want to talk about it or Jonathan you want to explain it just in case. >> There's a question about using that money to pay down debt. >> Yeah. So, um, actually in your packet, I did provide a bond interest revenue update, but, um, not to get into that now, but of the 10 million collected so far, I have talked to a
029company about the arbitrage rebate, and essentially there are very few exceptions to being able to use that money towards the purpose of the bond. Um, and if you don't match one of those exceptions, that money has to go back pretty much to the IRS over uh over what anything over whatever percentage your bond rate is, >> which is small. >> Yeah, I think we're talking about two different animals, but no, that's that's a really important point. If we I assumed all that interest was our to do with as we needed to do for the school. What John is saying is it that you have to pay tax on it as though you're a taxable entity >> only if you only if you do it towards paying extinguishing the debt. >> He didn't say he said
030you pay tax if it exceeds the amount that you're paying on your debt. >> Correct. So, let let's just say for ease of numbers, our bond rate is 4% and we collected 5% all the way up to $10 million. Well, easy math says 2 million of that is the extra percentage. So, that 2 million has to be um reported back and sent to the IRS because unless you meet one of their exceptions to use it for anything related to the bond, it it's uh essentially money you're not entitled to. So, where do we stand right now looking at your Well, >> we're jumping ahead. >> So, we we are jumping ahead a little bit, but the total interest we've collected is just over $10 million. Um, I have not signed the contract yet for the
031arbitrage rebate. However, I did already talk to the lady, get a quote. It wasn't that expensive at all for the arbit arbitrage rebate process. But um once we get that signed, we will actually get into the numbers and look at uh what we could possibly use that interest for, if anything, uh if we meet one of the exceptions. Um but they will be they will pretty much be advising us on that. Um and we'll go from there. But I plan to move forward with that when I'm back in the office on uh Monday. So sometime next week, I'll probably send the contract out. >> Mr. Chairman, >> this is really important. I think we're talk we're talking about the differential interest that's at risk >> right >> if it's 4% say we make five when
032we are paying four the one is at risk but do we pay tax on the four or do we give it to the IRS how would the IRS justify taking the the core >> well I think he's saying say we budget for all the schools 750 million and that's all the bond we get all that bond money but we only spend 725 million what do we do with that other 12. >> That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying every month we collect money, >> right? I understand that money we have in the bank. >> But we budget for these schools and they come in under budget. >> No, this is different. >> I know there's the interest thing we're talking about, >> right? >> And I'm trying to follow that. I'm just saying
033plain math. At the end of all of this, there's money left over that we never used. What do we do with that? >> That's a different question, but it's a good question. you if you have leftover money in the bond and it's not anything related to arbitrage rebate that has to be uh sent back then you can you can use that to pay down the debt >> that that's the that's the first question I ask >> yeah I understand your interest thing where you've got to >> work with the IRS and what they get but >> right >> is somebody familiar with this process and that needs to be checked because that's that's like of order 1% on the whole balance >> well I I mean Ronda talked about it very early on. The more
034money we make, the closer we are to having that issue, >> right? >> Back to my question is >> let's say we finish all the schools and we have contingency le left in every contract. That's money that should be going to pay down debt. That's my question. >> That was your initial opinion. >> Should not go to new projects or coming into something that's not already planned. >> That's my opinion. >> We're going to have >> and and technically that line of thing that has technically has nothing to do with arbitrage rebate, right? Um, so yeah, that's a whole different topic. >> That's what I said. They're two they're two totally separate issues. >> And the more the faster we spend the money, the less interest we're going to get and the further away we
035are going to be from having an issue with arbitrage and with rates coming down and if you look at the month-by-month interest, >> um, it was already decreasing substantially. Um, it's gone back up because we have more money, but we'll get into that. Okay. Thank you, Jonathan. We'll get back to you in a minute. Um, >> all right. Back to Crescent City. I don't know where you were. >> I have a question about both those schools. >> You're turning this one over if everything works out right on 22 October. How about the next year if something you find out something's messed up? I mean, air condition, don't worry. Is there some kind of warranty? >> There's warrant. There's warranty on it. Okay. Yes, sir. >> It just doesn't go back to the school to fix
036until a certain point. >> Yes, sir. We got most of it. We carry at least a year past substantial completion. >> Okay. >> I mean, because you got to get the students in there, too, to figure out if everything's working right. >> Right. >> It might not happen. >> Kick the tires a little bit. >> Yeah. >> Kick the walls. >> Yeah. Go ahead, James. I don't know if there was anything else. I >> I think unless you guys have specific questions for me, >> I have a couple of comments I'd like to make. >> Sure. Uh, I want to talk about the new school, the new elementary school as it will relate to the high school. I think everybody here knows that both schools are on Union Avenue. >> Union Avenue runs exactly north
037and south. It is on a section line. Uh when you turn and go by the high school, the high school is obviously crowded. Uh and I think the plan is to move the bus depot from the high school to the elementary school. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I mean eventually to Thomas, what's our timeline on that? Is that >> We don't have a timeline yet. No, >> but that is the ultimate plan, right? >> Right. >> That would be a really good move. >> Sure. >> The the acreage at the elementary school is probably double that of the high school. >> And it would just be infinitely better to have the buses out of the high school area. All right. Uh, another question. Uh, Union Avenue is developing. There are more houses coming
038along there quickly. Kids walking to school along that is not good. Even though it's in within the two-mile limit, can will we be picking those kids up and taking them to school? >> Yes. Yes. The short answer is yes. If there's not a sidewalk, it's unsafe. >> Right. There is no sidewalk. >> All right. Th those are my basically my questions. Uh >> and by the way, there'll be different start times, >> John. You know, elementary earlier. >> I understand. I understand. >> Right. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. It's really looking good from from the outside. I'll say that. >> It's massive. >> Most of the brick work is done. Looks like. >> Yes, sir. >> That's correct. It's going very well. We're still proud to be building it. And we'll quit saying about L.
039We'll talk later. >> Oh, I follow I follow Lra. >> I have a question relating to the buses. You're going to have buses pick up children if there aren't safe sidewalks for them to walk on. Do you have enough bus drivers now when you didn't earlier in the year? Do you have enough bus driver like when they closed James A. Long school and you got to that's definitely not safe walking on US 17. Uh do you have enough bus drivers and buses to pick up those children all over the county and take them to the new schools? >> I'll let uh Mr. Bowen respond to that. He's over our transportation. >> Transportation is always u a challenge and uh and what we have um currently is what we have um and we currently have enough
040to transport all of our students. It's certainly not the best scenario and we can't give every um courtesy route we'd like to i.e. someone who lives just under the radius that they would be um that they'd have to to get to, excuse me, their bus stop or their school. Um, sometimes, you know, it would be very good or in the past we've been able to um offer courtesy routes where people have to walk what seems like a really far distance, but it's still um some of those routes just don't exist anymore um just because of the challenge it is to uh not only hire new bus drivers, but to keep the ones that we have. So, and that's nothing that's unique to Putnham County. It's just our >> Well, how does that relate then to
041what just said that it's been clear what sidewalks and safe walk students will be picked up, but you're saying that in some areas they won't be picked up? >> I didn't say that. I said right now we currently have enough drivers to do it. I said it's a challenge to not only find new drivers, but to make to but to keep the ones that we have. Um, but that's why we come to work every day to take on that challenge and to, you know, find a way to get it done. >> Just to clarify then, uh, for Crescent City, since he answered the question about contingency, um, except for 300, let's guess, $300,000 of contingency and no reduction in general conditions probably, right? >> Probably. So, so this number, the top number is is and
042and those subcontractors went wild. >> So, this top number within $300,000 is going to be the cost that we pay through this contract and that will include the 11 in red, but the total is going to come out about right. Now, the tax savings is the only thing that might not be in that quick calculus. >> Right. Correct. >> Basically, we're almost going to spend this amount, >> right? And the tax savings is 7% of the 11 million. >> Yeah. >> Sort of. it. So, it's it's the way that works is you only realize the tax savings once you spend it. In other words, if we wrote a PO to a vendor, which we don't do this, this isn't a mistake we make, but if you wrote a PO to a vendor and then for
043whatever reason, you know, that product wasn't the correct product or whatever the case. Just because you have that PO in place doesn't mean you get the tax savings. You have to buy the product first. You know, you don't pay tax on something in a store till you buy it, right? same thing. So, you know, you can take a rough guesstimate at what it's going to be. Um, since we included a deductive value for tax savings to make this GMP, um, you know, we include, you guys are familiar with that. So, it's probably a safe bet to just assume that there won't be any additional tax savings at this point. And then if there is, great. But >> because it was already built into your number, >> correct? >> Gotcha. >> Was it was for AJ.
044Was that same thing true at uh at horseman club? >> I don't think it was built in at >> deducted as it occurs. >> It it'll be shown as a savings here. It won't be. >> Okay. >> Again, that's just a function of how the contract's re >> I have a a question. I mean a comment to make because there have been several people calling in reference to it. It may be to you Mr. Poland in reference to closing down James A. Long and all of them going to the new elementary school. There's two major highways that some of those children going to have to cross. 17 and Highway 19 >> just to get to the new school. >> Right. >> And so we are taking that into consideration of those children's safety. >> Yes,
045ma'am. >> Because several of them will be within the two mile I spent two hours today working with uh transportation um looking at next year's routes and of course all of the additional bus riders that we have to uh that you know people who typically walk to school now >> would have to be transported that's just part of the plan I mean part of the the issue right now the other big part is we're throwing another school in next next year >> because Kelly Smith will go out service but the intermediate school go inserts. But now you have all your kindergarten through sixth grade students split between um two two different times so to speak where they were all going at one time. Now you have a drop off. Half of your kids say your
046primary students get off at whatever school you're going to whether it's Kelly Smith, >> right? >> I'm sorry, whether it's James A. Long or Lley and then others have to continue on to the intermediate school. So that's throwing back the high school. So we're trying to figure out a way to um to make all of that work. How far do we have to back out to actually start? What we we're trying to avoid is not adjusting any of our current school times, just add another school time for the intermediate school, which will probably be about 15 minutes later for the primary school. Um, but we're in the mix of trying to work out all the details on all of that. So, that's happening right now. told us to uh put all the information out before
047Christmas so everybody has plenty of time to um get the information and start talking about it. >> It's cuz some people already talking about the you the fatalities that may happen due to >> those type of changes and so just wanted to make sure that we address it before it's time for those schools >> to make that kind of transition. Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> All right. If we'd like to move to Kelly Smith, that's you again, right? >> Yes. >> Y'all can stay right where you are. >> Yep. If that's okay, James can stay up here with us. We've got Kelly Smith starting up. And CRA's the architects on it. Ajax is the CM on this project. We're doing um just so you know the scope of Kelly Smith, we're doing approximately 146,520 ft
048of new buildings. We've got 14,480 square ft of remodel/rennovation and 88,189 ft of demolition, tearing down the old school there. So drawings, we're currently working on the drawings. Uh October the 6, we're to have 100% construction documents complete and turned over to Ajax. And then um the budget down there, you can see we calculated the new construction at 58,68,000, the remodel renovation at 2.172 million, the demolition at 1.322835. There's soft cost there at 8.837, and the uh we're estimating it's going to be right at $71 million right now. This number's a couple of years old, so keep that in mind. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um I have a question. So the total square footage on Kelly Smith, if you include the remodel and the new construction is 161,000 square ft. >> Yes, sir. >> For
049the same number of students that's going to be that we're going to have at Palaka Intermediate and that square footage is 7,000 less, >> right? And the with those numbers that 7,000 doesn't sound like a lot, but at 400 square feet or $400 a square foot, it's $2.8 million. Why is there an extra 7,000 square feet? >> Because Kelly Smith Kelly Smith is a primary school. Uh the intermediate school is an intermediate school. So at Kelly Smith, we have to have restrooms for for every student there. At the intermediate school, at the inter at the the fourth and fifth grade side, we were able to have gang toilets, which take up a lot less square footage. >> Gang toilets. >> Gang. Yeah. >> Been at different >> Every classroom. Every classroom has a toilet. Has
050a >> Yeah. Every every classroom on the on on Kelly Smith has to have a has to have a toilet in it. >> I think so. That's part of the >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> That's the biggest part of Dr. >> Hunter. Couple questions. Are these numbers? Well, first of all, notice that this summary is not the same as the other two schools. If we had this for the other two schools, we'd be there pretty close. So, that's really all we have to do is get this kind of a summary on the other two sheets. Um, but are these numbers post the inflation that we've seen uh and witness in the other schools? So these are not >> these are these are the original numbers that that we went after the bond with and
051such >> prior to prior to the inflationary spike and prior to the GMPS that we got real numbers on. >> Yes, sir. >> Great. >> Well, yeah. Okay. Okay. Everybody knows what that >> Let me ask a question about demolition. The demolition at uh uh Horseman's Club Road truly only costs about $400,000. And I know it's more or less to demolish or not. And that's in my judgment, as you know, I stressed several times, it was unwise to have a separate contract for demolition because it costs us money. Now, because it's possible that the construction manager will add general conditions on top of the demolition and and in case of that still double the cost. So, um, in this case, uh, is it all one GMP? We don't know that yet, sir. >> We are
052Good point. >> I don't think so. And and James, I mean, you can go ahead and start speaking to it, but we need an ERP just because of the time. >> Correct. So, a a couple things, Dr. Hunter, to allay your concern there. Um, when if they're doing what they're supposed to be doing, I'm not saying somebody isn't. I'm saying but you're doing estimating through the phases, right? So, if you're estimating, you're estimating properly and you're saying, I'm saying, you know, um, Dr. Cerny, your school's going to cost $50 million, right? That's the whole school, whatever it is, right? Then I do an ERP, early release package, you know, and it's $5 million. Well, then my final GMP better be $45 million because that's what I do. That's what I do. And, you know, I
053pride myself on that, right? So you you shouldn't have, you know, there may be little economies of scale, like if you're bidding portions of the work, if there's only portions of packages, but if you're able to package those into into a good package for for an early release package and you're working with a good CM, you won't you won't really incur additional costs above and beyond what that estimate would be. I mean, there could be little here and there. I know you're smiling, but it's true. Um, so I don't I don't share that concern with you. I understand what you're saying though. I completely get it because, you know, if you're buying it all out at once, you're going to save more money. Um, you know, there's things you can do. You can agree to
054GCS and GRS up front. But anyway, so the reason we have to do this is because it takes anywhere from, you know, depending five to six to eight weeks sometimes to put together a GMP. So if the design is moving along and you have to wait until the entire design is ready and you only have a certain amount of time to build the build, >> right? So as as the design's moving along, if Greg can pop out part of it and say, "Hey, James, go do this part and I can do a GMP for that, then I can go ahead and start those we th those long uh those those big wheels turning, right? And I can get the GMP to where I can get it approved and I can start. So I can start
055on a certain portion. Let's say I start out there and I get rid of the trees, you know, things like, right? And then and then Greg gets me the documents for the balance of the work, which allows me to just just, you know, seamlessly go right into the rest of the work. Um, so if we didn't do that and we waited for the 100%, then we're going to put ourselves in an issue in a in a problem with getting the kids into school in 2027 fall, which is what our goal is right now. >> So that's understand that's perfect and you can read that. Thomas points out, yes, >> we need to get on with it. >> Yes, sir. >> I would prefer not to repeat what we had last time, which was a $256,000
056demolition contract that had a GMP of about $600,000 or whatever it was. I got >> and we were being build for we we're build being build and we got a refund because we work was being build to us which didn't happen. >> Uh yeah, you won't be build for work that doesn't happen. >> So, we we'll trust you and Greg will be sure. >> I assure you that won't happen. So, will any of the remodeling, renovation, or construction take place while students are still there, or will we wait until after like the summer when they're out? >> If we do this early release package, it will be the students are going to be in school on the school property. We got 10 acres and five acres that were acquired adjacent to it. We will be
057clearing the trees off of that adjacent property. We will start doing earth work on that adjacent property. We won't do anything on the school property itself until the kids are gone in May or June. >> Yeah, it's pretty well separated. So, it's another reason why it makes sense to get it going. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank >> demolition cost more when you have to preserve part of the school project. >> So, >> yeah. >> You mean like selective demolition? So, it does, but we don't really have that in this case, right? So, cuz cuz we're going to get rid of we're going to basically have um you know, demolition and what we call clearing and grubbing, if you will, is the main stuff that we're going to be doing. Um the the other work, the
058other demo, the of the buildings and such can't happen until later anyway. Have the kids in there. So, it's really a totally separate package. So, it's not it's not going to impact us in this in this particular instance. >> And the remod renovation is only one building, building 12, which we will be working around. >> Okay. Correct. And building 12 is one they use as a hurricane shelter. >> Yes, that's exactly right. >> Do you have to remember uh Greg what the number was for either of the other two schools at this time in life? This says 58 million >> at >> what >> when we looked at these numbers whenever they >> not but we can have it we can look at it. >> My point is it could be off by $10 million.
059>> Yes sir. Yes sir. >> 10 to 15 million. So we're talking about $80 million for school. It could be. >> I don't know yet. Sharpen your pencil. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's just they they wouldn't not their fault we had that inflation. >> No, >> it's good. >> Lumber was down 18% last couple weeks. >> We don't have a lot of lumber. >> Not a lot of lumber. >> Oh, you mean >> prices up or down? >> Prices were down. We don't have a lot of lumber down. >> Yeah. I'm not buying lumber this year. So, >> any other questions on quick? So the timeline that you're on now >> is in line with what we expect for the 2027 opening. >> Yes, sir. >> It's tight, but it's what we expect. >> Already
060tight. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> So, when we come back in our next meeting in 3 months, we should see >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. >> Well, will there be a GMP at the next meeting? Our next meeting. >> When's the next meeting? >> We don't have to ask the chairman. >> When's the GMP? Do you expect to have it? um as quickly as I possibly can. Um >> we're trying to get it in November. Um >> that would be the ERP. >> Oh, that's right. Oh. Oh, then then the when does the October 6 it comes out. >> So 6 weeks after that on the first of the year. >> Yeah. >> Is okay. >> So the answer is we'll delay our meeting or we will not have a GMP. >> Correct. Yeah,
061>> we've done that before. We can time our meeting based on >> this what we're about to hear on the >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thanks for letting us thanks for letting me talk. >> James, that's the new folks. >> Yep. We have I'm going to ask them to come up. We have Melrose and Casper Architects are the architects on the project and Parish McCall from Gainesville are the CMS. These guys are also the CMs that are doing Crescent City High School. So, so you haven't met them. I'll bring them up to the podium and uh let me just kind of I'll go over the scope of of Melrose real quick here with you. So, we're looking at increase in Mel the number of student stations at Melrose 454 student stations. New square footage
062will be approximately 35,000 square ft. remodel renovation will be 38,713 and the demolition is right at 70,000 approximately 70,000 square feet. You can see below there some of the remodeling and renovation scope that we were looking at getting into this project. New new metal roofs on the existing building. There's some settlement issues on the existing buildings that we're keeping. Wastewater treatment plant needs upgrades. The existing buildings we're looking at some door and window replacement there. uh new interior finishes, new interior casework, and some electrical upgrades to the buildings that we're keeping there. Um over on design schedule, you can see the the dates there. We are headed for a November 6 design development documents will be due. And then February 26, construction documents will will be due. >> And is this one scheduled or planned
063for 2027 as well? >> Uh this one's No, this one's phase. It will be a phase job. >> Not another school. >> Yep. Yep. It will be a phase project. So we we will get and if you want to talk a little bit about David, I'll I'll let you. We're looking at the phases. You can kind of walk through the phases. >> Sure. Sure. No problem. Again, David Casper Architects, we did the Palaca Intermediate School. Uh so familiar with some phases. Uh working with Parish McCall Group. So yeah, keeping this uh keeping the uh campus open and present some challenges. Um, however, we're going to phase it in a way where we can hopefully, um, you guys probably aren't familiar with the building numbers, but there's certain buildings we'll demolish. We'll bring in portables to
064temporarily move students to uh, building six is what we're calling on just behind uh, the historic gymnasium you guys might be familiar with. Um, so the intents, the start with that, get students out of building one, which is the main building you see off the road. Uh, and then the site kind of actually lays out pretty nice where we can fence things off, demolish building one and um then construct a new admin media center as the new face of the building, a new classroom wing, which we're calling phase two to build those. That allows us to then move uh students from the portables into building uh or the classroom wing. um and then start working on uh phase three which potentially would be the remodel of the existing buildings. We're keeping three buildings. Um there's
06514, 15, 16, which are at the rear of the site, and then the historic gym up front we're maintaining and uh doing a little bit of work there. So, one of the phases in between is the remodel of the existing and then a final phase of demolishing the rest of the buildings, building a new cafet um and multi-purpose space for for gathering space. >> Have some questions. >> I don't know if I address these questions to you or the construction company, but you've mentioned a couple. So, the heritage buildings, for lack of a better word, have they been um really scoped out, looked at as far as materials that they're built with and so forth? >> We we have we have we have had a a hazardous abatement study done to the buildings and we've
066know what asbestous is in there and that that sort of stuff. Yes, sir. >> And so, as we're demolishing, the construction crew will come in and abate uh any concerns so it's removed from the campus. So I guess my point built some buildings with and found some surprises with asbestous. Um so how are you I'm I'm going to get a little bit into the weeds here. How are you going to take care of that in terms of the asbestous in terms of the children and courting and all that off but that's a care because we will be asked that question. >> Sure. Well, go ahead. I was going to say um the the the as the people that have come in and done the survey will give a hazardous abatement recommendation for getting rid of
067it and we may be tinninging the building. We may be doing what uh different parts and pieces may have to keep the materials wet. Um but when it's all done there will be air quality tests done to make sure everything's clear on the building. And I'll let you add to that. >> I was going to say I'm Bill Pearson with Parish McCall. This is Chris Shepard. He'll be our senior project manager for the project. And it's it's similar to what we do in a lot of occupied campus renovations. We have to make sure that those asbestous containing areas are confined, tested, and negative air. And there's a whole protocol, which I'm sure you're familiar with, to make sure that's done safely for our workers as well as anybody that's around. But it's something that we're
068going to have in our scope. We've got a preliminary asbestous report that we're working through to try and we'll bid that out competitively and have results. By the way, I just want to add in very quickly uh Bill and Parish McCall is u rebuilding Crescent City Junior Senior High School, which is a very tightbased project that you guys haven't heard a lot about, but it's coming along very nicely. It's a very complex job and they're doing a terrific job. So, I'm excited to have them down >> and we will have some of the abatement issues there that that we're talking about at Melrose, too. And again, you know, trying to keep the scope of what we're here for to follow the money, but my Facebook audience out there has already began talking about Mailroads and
069the Heritage Buildings and so forth. And from a public relations standpoint, I just want to make sure we're getting the word out that you guys have got it under control because if not, it will be circled and exploited and so forth and so forth. Thank you for those answers. Um I had a quick so we had one of our members emailed about there was a meeting in Melrose that was supposed to go over the site plan and with the public I guess was that in June >> I believe it was in June. Um, and then is there a site plan that we can see with that shows the building numbers, which ones you're talk because I'm not that familiar with that campus, but >> I don't have it on hand, but we can definitely send
070it to >> Absolutely. Make it available. >> Yeah, >> I think that'd be good for us to have >> to do a public records request. >> What' you say, Amy? >> Or what? >> Because that's what I was told in an email when I asked that question. I wanted to let everybody know. I was told that I needed to submit a public records request to find out what buildings would be demolished and which ones would stay. >> I have the I have the email print >> a public's records request >> district. >> Yes. >> Oh, this Oh, >> I don't think this committee has to do that. >> So, that seemed a bit hostile. Maybe that was a maybe that was a mistake. >> To answer the question, um, we can email the current site
071plan. Um, it's fairly new. Um, so you know, the the existing site plan wasn't ex wasn't in existence uh several months ago, but we do have a site plan now that we're working off of and we'll be glad happy to >> you be cutting down all the tall trees at the front of the property. So we are >> that is that's the main intersection in Melrose and the other four corners of that intersection all the tall trees have been removed and the ones at the Melrose school are the last ones remaining. >> Absolutely. And you know we've been listening to the community there was a big um uh you know everyone loved the way Melrose looks. So step one we wanted to get a design that was similar to Melrose that the community um would
072like. We got full clapping from uh Leah the principal when she saw it because she's dealing with that community a lot the principal there. Uh but yes, I mean we are limited based on the site that we have to to improve things, but we are planning to put together a tree removal proposal plan to present to show the community that we're doing all we can to keep a lot of these trees out there. Um, so it is a initiative that we are pushing and and being respectful of. >> I can't tell you which trees yet, but we're we're close. >> When did you show the plans to who's seen the plans? >> Uh, the principal and the district staff. >> Is that something that can be uh with the site plan? Is that something that's
073available yet or >> Yeah. And again, we'll we'll plan to share that with this group. >> So, Thomas, can we make a note to to share that with this group too when we >> we already have >> Okay, thanks. >> I think this is a money question, but it may not be. U It is permit issues. Are there any permitting issues of any kind whatsoever at either of these two schools that we have to that we haven't thought of? If we haven't thought of them, we can't ask. >> We we are currently we are currently working through them. I know the district's working zoning right now getting getting that taken care of and we're looking at uh yes the the uh environmental assessments and stuff making sure there were no no gopher tortoises or anything
074else. Yes, sir. That is being done by civil engineer and we've got the same civil engineer Kimley Horn on both projects. So, >> and the schedule allows for that. >> Yes. >> Any other questions on Melrose? I'd just like to make a comment >> where >> about I think it's called building one. You somebody said it was the heritage building, the historic building. >> Um building one is mentioned in the Leen Price family of uh history of Banana and Melrose. And the story is the it was originally built in 1923 and in 1945 the building partially burned and for a couple of years the students were had classes in other areas in Melrose while it was ring be being rebuilt on the same foundation. So that old building is pretty much the same building as
075was built in 1923 and it's mentioned in um some of our history books in Melrose. So, it will be a shame to lose that historic building and I wish we could have um come up with a plan to renovate and make that a showpiece for the district instead of demolishing it. So, I just wanted to say that >> I appreciate it. >> I have one money question and one non-money question. I keep get asking which students go to the the school down on 21 south of Melrose and which ones go to >> Aquilla which what decides whether you go where you go >> basically where you live. >> Okay. So so u you got interlock and aquila and Melrose for that whole western part of the county. >> Yes. Okay. Now the money questions I
076I these two numbers are not inflated into into the current time. The others two are probably because we kind of know where we are. >> So we got two projects left. If you if you generally look at it uh and just add them up, you get about 260 million if not a little more because I haven't allowed for the bond costs and all that stuff. Now we got more than 200 million for our $200 million bonds. they got a little extra. But nevertheless, we're we're getting to the point where we got about $50 million left for for whatever it is we're going to do. And I know y'all have had a lot of discussion about this, but uh we you clearly can't do another school, another big school. Y and there's a the district has
077a plan to look at that, but I mean, just for the committee's purpose, >> we're down to about $50 million. It's not 40. >> That doesn't mean we >> that don't mean let's comment. That doesn't mean money comment doesn't mean you can't necessarily necessarily do another school. We just have to find the money from somewhere else. >> Also true. >> What's left is uh major renovations in the last phase. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no new construction, no new big schools or anything. It's all remodeling, renovation at existing current schools. >> And and what's not, Dr. Hunter, what's not also in there is some of these properties, James A. long for example that the school board that the school is uh that will no longer be in use I think and I'll let Thomas speak to
078it or Dr. concerny. I mean that property would go up for sale, would it not or not? >> Yep. >> And um so that money from that sale would that that >> go into capital. Yeah. >> Capital. >> Yep. Which is what we use to, you know, build and remodel and renovate. >> Yep. Okay. >> Yeah. >> But you'd be unlikely to start a whole new school with that. >> No. No. >> Or even the capital funds at all. I'm >> saying there's avenues to find money somewhere else is I guess my point. Yeah. >> And we do have I mean we have that we have um property down at uh the old Miller Middle School that is on up for sale. We'll have the old Middleton to Bernie facility. So yeah, we if you
079know anybody wants to buy an old school just let me know. >> Well, people are everywhere. >> Well, you know that as Putnham County continues to grow that property is going to become more and more valuable. Well, I actually mentioned to the county commission uh at when they talked about the new port coming in that the Jenkins and James A long property actually connects. >> Yes, it does. >> And it's all railroad frontage and uh I would think that'd be very valuable with the port coming in. So, >> yeah, you're right. I mean, that could be very prime property for um manufacturing or whatever. Yeah. >> My question is this. when the city of PAL had tried to buy the Jenkins school for the new city hall, uh the price they offered was $1 million
080plus the $600,000 value of the annex building downtown and the uh federal and state law said you had to sell the property at no less than 90% of the property appraisers appraised value. So the city was under that and if you all had sold it for less than that, you would have lost some funds. So uh are those rules still apply to James A. long and in the other school you mentioned will you have to sell them at 90% of the appraised value or will you be able to basically give them away like in the city of black for a million dollars >> well normally and I'm I'm not Thomas correct me but anything below 90% the board would have to approve that anything above 90% the superintendent can um close the deal but the
081board would yeah the board could approve anything under 90% >> yes sir and that's not a a rule that's etched in stone. That was just advice that you got from an attorney, >> right? >> Or is there a resolution to give you the authority to sell the buildings? Um, but the attorney we had at the time said, you know, if you're not willing, um, to be investigated by the OG, I mean, OIG's office, um, you better it better be at least 90% of the appraised value or take it to the board, right? Let them make a decision. >> Correct. Well, I would guess based on that then the city will come back and want to buy Jenkins school. >> I'm sorry. >> I said based on that then since it's different now with a different
082attorney, the city's probably going to want to buy Jenkins school for themselves. >> Good guess anyway. >> Well, they're welcome to come make an offer. Yeah. >> Now the price be >> Dr. I contend that adding up all the property that we have is nowhere near another school. >> No. And my if I said that that would be incorrect on my part. I'm just saying that's an avenue for money for capital expenditures. That was my point. >> Absolutely. >> All right. Um I think we're done with Melrose. >> Nice meeting you. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Well, um we do have we kind of touched on them already. We do have reports from Jonathan in our packet. Um there's quite a few of them if you remember if you look at the bottom right
083of each page it gives you the date. >> Yeah. >> So generally if you look there's three for basically every category and the August one is obviously the most up to date. I did want to and Jonathan you you're still on there. >> Yes sir. Um >> he did he did give us the the bond interest revenue page. It looks like this. It's the only one that's >> Yeah. bit different looking. Um just in case you were wanting to know what the money has earned. Like I said, if you look going into 2025, you see the interest dropping because we're using the money and rates have gone down. And then all of a sudden July and August it goes back up because there's double the money in there. Um, again that arbitrage thing, we can
084get more information from Jonathan, but the more we spend, the less interest we're going to get. So, I don't think it's going to be as big of an issue. And then each school and an aggregate is basically on each page. I don't know if you've had Dr. Hunter, have you had a chance invoices and things? Yeah, I looked at I'm uh for the schools that are so far along, you'll need to check those three questions and you've got it there. There are no extraneous expenditures that appear. If so, uh Thomas and uh Greg and people would have caught them. They just appear to be normal stuff. It the reports get a little confusing because they have to go back and wrap in the total on the same page as >> Right. Uh I I have
085truth a little trouble following them but I everything seems to be in order. My concern is it is simply that somebody will monitor closely. Well first of all let me explain contingency. I I understand it's done. You don't just spend contingency. Thomas and people have a process that you sit down and negotiate contingency and then out of that comes an agreement to do it or not do it. So I think that takes care of contingency. Am I right? tell us about it. But I think that's the way it works, right? >> Yeah. There there there is a there's a joint meeting and they say we want to spend something on sidewalks and let's say yes or no. >> Gotcha. So that's takes care of itself. General conditions is a matter of just watching what is
086spent and what is invoiced. And that's what I hope we do even with as we come to a close. I mean, we got some good construction managers, but there's always a temptation. You got uh you know, we can buy new pickup trucks and and charge them against general conditions. >> Look at that. >> Not as long as you're on the board. >> Dr. Hunter would not allow. >> Yeah, I know. I know. I'm just kidding. But, you know, >> just have to watch your And once you do that, there's not much else you need to do. That's correct. That's a good point. Jonathan, I don't think we have any questions. >> I uh I did want to say because we have four schools currently going um the amount of documents I sent y'all. Baby, hold
087on. um the amount of documents I sent to you guys. Um I'm going to look at kind of redoing this in a different structure because on on every page just about the revenue at the top and the um incumbrance as well as the other school expenses are all the same information being presented to you on every single page. So I'm going to look at a different way to uh separate it out and build it so it's not as many documents for you guys. That would be helpful. Okay, >> Mr. Chairman, there there there's one thing we asked for some time ago. I don't know if it's terribly important even. We were It wasn't me, it was somebody, maybe you said you'd like to see what the costs are per the units of the GMP. Now,
088the GMP is like 13 subdivisions, concrete and plumbing and all those different. And it'd be nice to see how those are progressing along. it. I guess it'd be nice to see we we we I think we can get reports. I think Jonathan Hazard will >> James and I have talked about I think the reports exist, right? >> If the committee still wants to see that that could be obtainable, but at this point I'm not sure the value. >> I think Greg had actually mentioned that he had thought he had that. >> It's submitted every month. Jonathan gets them every month. You could get them. >> I I remember that conversation as well. I think at the time we had uh one either Greg or one of the contract managers up under him um had mentioned
089they had an easy way to do that report. Now I don't want to obviously speak for them but um if they have a easy way to do it I'm fine with that. But if we need to pull something where we pull the vendors and cuz like right now I'm showing you monthly what's going to a vendor. I can show you the total that we've paid a certain vendor and compare it to the whatever was in the original GMP for that vendor. Um, so I I can do that as well, but I I also recall one of the other guys one uh standing up and speaking on that for about them doing it. >> Both both construction managers can do it. It's pretty easy thing and they submit reports reasonably consistent with that anyway. I don't
090have a strong desire for it, but I know it was expressed here. I know it wasn't me. >> That's too much detail for me. >> I don't particularly need it. But >> really, >> it'd be nice to have I tell one thing I'm in intend to do with the GMPS is compare three GMPS against each other >> just to see that the plumbing costs haven't quadrupled away. Well, and that's what led me to ask the question about the square footage was we have two other schools to compare it to and it I didn't understand why it was so much bigger for the same number of students, but now I know >> and we may see and I learned a new term. So, >> it may be much cheaper to build in present city. We we'll
091see those difference. But, but I think as you know, I gave you a spreadsheet last time which was all the elements of the GMP and the two different GMPS. I'll just add one more column to that which is whenever we get the new GP in right >> get take a look at it. >> Great unless somebody wants to do that. >> Any other general comments from our committee members? I did want to mention and this may have been what you wanted me to talk about earlier um because I'd written it down is I did when I spoke to the school district the school board uh was the makeup of our committee that was brought up at our last meeting and we're each on a term of three years which is actually coming up pretty soon
092right >> and it is up to the board to decide if they want to keep each of us since we were appointed or replace disband the whole thing. whatever they want, that's up to the board and they know that and so they hopefully will have that on their agenda in the next uh meeting or two because it's coming for the first of the year uh for us to have that and then at the same time whenever that decision is made um we can also look if we want to change makeup chairman vice chairman I think it's the only two things we really have but we'll wait and see if we all make it through selection committee I I do have one question ma'am because I know I was not at the last meeting >> due
093to some health issues but now when is the closing date and maybe I don't know if Mr. Bowling or whomever. When was the when is the closing date for James along? Will they not be in session next? Oh, >> everybody's gone. >> They deserve it. >> I don't know if they've got that date yet. >> Okay. I mean, because you know, it was dear to my heart since I used to be the princip. And I mean, because >> uh the community, some people in the community, they're still concerned about it, >> but Mr. Bully, >> Mr. Is there a closing date for uh James >> A Longing? >> I mean, you were we're talking transitioning them out and sending all of the kids to the new. >> That would be the end of next school
094year. >> Next school year. Okay. >> 27, >> right? >> Yes. So, that' be 26 27 school year. 26 >> correct because I mean there's still some concern out there but um too late. >> I didn't know because I wasn't here and uh I'm sure there's still going to be some concern but anyway thank you ma'am. >> When are the three years up? >> Our first meeting was actually I believe it was in April of of 23. I thought it was in June, but I guess it's what? >> I don't have it right from is April and June are two dates ahead of my head. >> She said April >> 19. >> April 19th, >> and I think we were appointed possibly in January. >> So, we're talking about next April. >> Well, I'm in
095a quandry. I came in a year later or something. >> Yeah. So, you're on a different rotation than the rest of us. >> Oh, you bet. Came in late. >> I came in >> wasn't much though, was it? I think it was like after one or >> two hours a year later. >> Yeah, because there was of interest. >> Did you know somebody else? >> Somebody else did. >> It's all a blur. >> Yeah, we can't remember the year. >> Next meeting. So, our target dates for the GMP we mentioned looks like the first of the year for the full one um for Kelly Smith. I don't we want to wait that long. We want to meet before the first of the year. >> I'll say meet before the first of the year. Okay. How
096about we meet in November? >> How about November? >> Good with that. It's fine. Maybe you'll have something to be thankful for >> and we will uh get with you. I know Sarah Jean's worked on that on walking the schools, but we'll get with you before. >> Okay. Thank Thank you, Dr. St. >> so we'll have the close out of uh black and intermediate >> intermediate >> and we'll have a much stronger status report on uh Preston >> Preston City. Would y'all rather I mean would we could either do November like mid month or the week before Thanksgiving or >> the first week of December right after Thanksgiving. >> So what a day. >> Too many parades in December every weekend. >> I would say how about the first or second week of November? >>
097Before the holidays start through the 12th. >> Okay. >> Veterans Day is on Tuesday. You going to do it on 12th the next day? >> Is everybody okay with uh November the 12th? >> Sure. I'll make a motion we meet on the 12th. >> Is that a Is that a Wednesday? >> Yes, it is. >> November 12th. >> Yeah. >> All right. Nothing else. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you.