001call the uh school board meeting for August 19th to order and we will have the pledge of allegiance led by Miss Wagner, the invocation by Miss Gillyard. So, please stand. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Let us pray. Father, it's in the name of your son Jesus that we come today. God, we come trusting and believing. We come to place our cares and concerns in your hands. God, we just continue to pray for safe schools for our children. God, we pray uh for those that are there to educate them, God, that they will not be distracted, God, uh by those that may disrupt, that they may not be distracted, God,
002by being concerned about the safety, but God, they will be allowed to teach so that our children can grow and blossom. Father, we pray in the name of Jesus for all of the administrators and for the efforts, God, in getting our schools ready for our children to return, for the transportation department, for making sure that our buses are up and running, for our maintenance men that made the school grounds look good. God, we say thank you. With all of that being said, it says simply that it's a joint effort that it takes all of us working together, pulling in the same direction. And that's for our children. God, we pray for this board, for our families. God, we pray for your guidance as we make decisions, God, that may not necessarily at the time seem
003right, but God, we pray that you will help us to vote our hearts and our conscience. And in the end, God, that it will work out for the good for our children. Bless this community that we live in and this country that we live in where we're free, God, to to serve, to to worship, and to educate our children. Father, we ask all this in the mighty matchless name of Jesus. Amen. >> Amen. >> Okay board, we will move to our presentations and Miss Cahan, you are recognized. >> Good afternoon, board. >> Good afternoon. >> I am very excited to share with you a glimpse of our first week of school. Um, this year's opening was a true team effort. From the classroom to the bus loop, from district personnel to campus staff, everyone came
004together to welcome our students and families with smiles, support, and encouragement. The start of school school can be hectic. But what stood out across all of our campuses was a sense of unity. One district working together, putting our students first. So, here are just a few moments that capture the energy, the excitement, and the heart of PCSD's first week of the school year. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] Heat. Heat. [Music] So, as you can see, it was a smooth start. We'd like to say thank you to our staff, families, and community for making our first week such a success. >> Good job. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> The department is knocking out the park, Mr. Chair. Yeah, they are doing with their >> All right, board. Uh uh any public
005comment board? >> All right, no public comment. So, we will move to our public hearing on the consent agenda. And Miss Pickkins, I'll start with you. For anything to pull? >> I have nothing to pull. >> I don't have anything to pull. >> Nothing to pull, sir. >> EA. >> I might He's going to discuss that. Yeah. So, I was going to pull those two. >> Um, and um, yeah, I was going to pull E7 and 8 for just discussion and overview by the board attorney. Um, and I just had a quick question on F1. Really, not on the things, just just a quick question. of that. So we will be so the board the chair will entertain a motion for the the remainder of the consent agenda excluding E6, E8 and F1. >> E
006E7. >> Oh, I'm sorry. E7. >> E7, F1, and E8. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. I'll offer a motion that we accept the consent agenda minus E7, E8, and F1. >> Second. >> All right. We have a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Motion passes. >> All right. We will start with E7, Mr. Wagner and Mr. Holmes. So, uh, in association with, uh, Assistant Superintendent Bowling, we reviewed the four documents, four contracts, two each that were submitted by Ajax and Parish McCall. And, uh, they're basically um what I might call boilerplate construction contracts. There are some differences between the two and I guess more room for um tailor making the the contract the the 19 2019 version. Uh and in that regard there's some some variations between the
007Parish McCall and the uh Ajax contracts but um I summarized the differences and after discussions with Mr. bowling. He contacted them and I think that our bottom line is right now we're we're good with moving forward through the precon stage right now pre-construction stage with the understanding that when we get to the the GMP stage that there's a couple of issues that we'd like to address and my understanding is that Mr. Rowan has spoken with both representatives of both firms and they're immenable to addressing those issues. I I don't believe they're they're issues that I think uh it would make me feel more comfortable to have some clarification about them. >> Sure. >> And uh I believe Mr. Bowling feels the same way. >> Absolutely. >> And so uh and and I think from what
008I understand that the representatives of both contractors are amanable to having that discussion and and and providing that clarification. >> Very good. Is that you have to >> I believe that covers >> there's only 130 pages. You want to read them. >> I was trying. >> Yeah. Um yeah, I I had had a couple of questions that I passed through to him, but if um if Mr. Bowling and our attorney are good with proceeding then >> moving forward to the next step. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Then the chair will entertain a motion on both E7 and E8 and we since we're they're basically the same. >> Mr. Chairman, I'll I'll offer a motion to um accept items E7 and 8. >> Second. >> I have a motion and second. All in favor signify
009by saying I I. >> Motion carries. And on F1, I just had a quick question. If Miss Whitehurst is here or Oh, there she is. Is >> on, you know, we approved um several teacher positions. I was just curious where we are overall in the district with our teacher vacancy um rate or number or whatever, however y'all calculate that. I just >> um I haven't looked at it this week, but as of last week, we were less than about 15 vacancies. >> Oh, that's good. Okay. Very good. Thank you. >> Closing in. Thank you. >> All right. I'll um chair will entertain a motion on F1. >> I'll make a motion we approve F1. >> I'll second. >> All right. I have a motion to second. All in favor signify by saying I. I >>
010motion passes. We will now move into our emergency session. So I'll temporarily adjourn the regular meeting and we will um start with number one is I can't tell you is that what the letter that uh J1 >> and all these are pretty much the same but >> Mr. Chairman, I make a motion we approve J1 overnight trip Qi Roberts FFA 2025 chapter president's conference justification explanation time sensitive >> second. >> All right, have a motion and second on J1. All in favor signify I by saying I >> I motion passes J2. >> Mr. Mr. Chair, I make a motion for item J2, uh, overnight tripa Junior Senior High FFA 2025 chapter president conference justification, explanation, time sensitive. >> I'll second that. >> All right, I have a motion and second on J2. All in favor
011signify by saying I. >> I. >> Motion passes. >> Mr. Chair, I'll offer a motion on item J3, overnight trip, interlockan junior senior high FFA 2025, chapter president's conference. >> Just say explanation. Sorry. >> All right. Second >> motion and a second. Miss Gillyard. All in favor signify by saying I. I. >> Motion passes. >> Mr. Chair for a motion for item J4, overnight trip, Crescent City Junior Senior High School, FFA 2025, chapter president conference justification, explanation, time sensitive. >> Second. >> All right, I have a motion and a second for J4. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Motion carries unanimously. And J5, >> Mr. Chair, I'll offer a motion um for J5 overnight trip for the Crescent City Junior Senior High School volleyball team. Justification, explanation, time sensitive. >> I'll second
012that. >> All right. Have a motion and a second for J5. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Motion passes. All right. We will journ the emergency session of the and go back to the regular board meeting. We have no unfinished or new business. So, I will go ahead and start with reports and Miss Wagner, I will start with you. >> Start with me. >> Um, >> yeah, let Holly go ahead. >> Okay, Holly, go ahead. >> Oh, okay. Um uh first I'd just like to really um reiterate my thanks to the insurance committee and um the district and the everyone that had any hand in bringing the Marathon Wellness Center and the opening. It was wonderful. Um, I had a friend of mine who's also an employee tell me that she
013felt that that was the single best thing that the district had done for the employees since she worked here. So, um, she ended up having to go and absolutely loved um, everything about it. Um, I'm going to bring up again and I think I'm going to do this until I see something happening. Um the intersection of 308 and Union County is a traffic hazard. Um >> Union Avenue. And um I I've had several calls just this week. I was stopped by a good friend at church on Sunday. And um we we really have to do something about that. And I if it's making it a four-way stop, that's fine. Um, I would prefer a traffic light, but we need to get with the county um and and iron that out. And I think that we
014need to do it sooner rather than later. I know we've got a whole school year, but I'd like for people to get used to a four-way stop or a traffic light before it happens. Before school happens. >> Mr. Chair, can I address that? >> Yes, sir. Mr. >> Help me out. I've talked to J.R. New County Commissioner. Do do we have any information about traffic study or >> our civil engineer who's working on that project is actually working on solution um right now they haven't brought it back to us yet we all one of the things that came up is the cost of road improvements fuel tax account I thought we had some money there we assist. >> And so the process is with the county is that we have to submit a traffic study
015first and it doesn't matter anywhere in the county, anybody before they can and they'll review it and start the process and then you know that'll lead to a meeting where we come to some agreement and we do have some funding in that uh that account. So, um, yeah, I'm I'm highly in favor of that and and so we will definitely, um, soon as they get it, we'll get it to the county. >> Okay. And then I'd also like to congratulate, um, Qi Roberts on, um, their passing rate for the ACE exam. I know that that's very difficult. And, um, to have 60% I believe, of the the upcoming class already passed, that's that's huge for those kids, too. It's um you know a little bit of a you know makes you feel a little bit
016better. And um also we approved the overnight travel for the um Crescent City volleyball team to attend the Bell tournament. Um we've been going to the Bell tournament for quite a few years and it's just a really great experience for the girls. It's a great team building thing. Um, you know, I think there's fruits that come out of that that we're not even aware of. So, um, thank you for doing that. And >> sounds like you speak from experience. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um, and that's all I have. >> Okay, Mr. Barbers. >> Okay. I have a few things to come cover. I passed out a a couple of uh handouts that I received from Andrea Msina, who's the executive director of the Florida School Board Association and pretty good friend of mine, but I
017wanted to just go through this real quick. I have contacted Andrea Msina of the FSBA to re-educate myself concerning board actions and responsibilities, particularly when a board member does not work seamlessly to bring focus involving the entire board to convey unity and cohesion as together we attempt to bring better opportunities for our children and the employees who work tirelessly for the future. Recently, a board member wrote a job description different from a previously approved one for a particular position. The board member did not bring the issue to the full board. Uh, and when the majority vote did not go favorably, the board member threatened consequences if if staff were to do it again. The same board member recently phoned the governor's office inquiring about having a Doge audit without bringing the issue to the full
018board for action. Thankfully, school is now in session and it would not be as difficult to undertake. Issuing a blanket threat of ethics charges has taken these actions to a new level, particularly for our staff who follow past practice in preparing the agenda to comply with state and federal law. Not only does staff prepare prepare according to Florida law, but our district contracts with Niola to ensure that our policies are in compliance along with 45 other school districts in the state of Florida such as Brevard, Pulk, and Miami Dade. Andrew Msina, who is, as we said, the executive director of Florida School Board Association has provided some pertinent information for each of you to peruse when you get a chance. A board chairman has a variety of things that can happen uh to board members
019or board chairman. A board chair obviously can be uh removed, but it's that's not something that I'm really pushing for at this time. A board member could be censured. Censure is a formal expression of disapproval. This doesn't remove the board member from the position, but it serves as a public rebuke for actions or behavior. Florida school boards have the authority to censure those who engage in misconduct that is determined to be detrimental to the district. Ethics violation were mentioned concerning my past years in an attempt to paint me with a negative brush. However, former Florida governor and now Florida uh United States Senator Rick Scott thoroughly vetted all the complaints that had ever been filed against me prior to to appointing me to a vacancy on the school board of Putnham County. So, I feel
020pretty good about where I stand with that. And I know that our board chairman has had his experiences early on in his career in tough times as well. It's not a It's not a fun rodeo out there for any of us. I believe in the three strike rule and fear we are heading to a pivotal point which does not build a cohesive board to serve our children yet still disagree at times. Our staff should not fear retaliation for doing their jobs. I'm a firm believer that I mean maybe some of you may not agree that back in the old days but I call it I call it experience experience matters uh whether it's life or death situations or educational situation and one of the first thing I learned in education is that past behavior predicts
021future behavior. So, with that, I'm going to close and let you guys peruse. And I just wanted to go ahead and make that announcement because some of these people that are now worried about being reported for doing something in her job are going to soon be working, manning shelters for hurricanes and things, and her family will be at home. So, it's just kind of a just an a really bad situation for us. And I hope we can pivot back to working cohesive cohesively. Bring these things to but the full board and and let's talk about it and let's not just throw a hand grenade in the room and and see who gets splattered. It's just it's it's beyond uh the way we should be operating. And I could go on, but I I'm not going
022to lecture you. I'm certainly don't have all the answers in the world, but I I have seen this before. And if I thought master board training would change again, and I swore I'd never go through it again because I had board members in the past that didn't follow what they were taught, I would say, let's go through master board training. But that'll be up to you guys if you wanted to do that. But anyway, that concludes my remarks. >> And this is from >> That is from Andrea Ms. All right, Miss Gillyard. >> Yes. All righty. just to uh want to reiterate and tie in to what Mrs. Cahan shared the smooth first week of school and it shows the cohesiveness of all of our schools. I don't know if you could notice how quick
023it it was going through, but the various schools had on their matching t-shirts and some of them were doing moves. I was first made aware of it when I saw a video clip from Crescent City and and the little rap and rhyme they did. And that's the only way that we're going to get it done because there is a book that states that a house divided cannot stand. And so they are presenting to the students a unified front and that's what it's going to take to move us. Uh because ever since Mr. Kasem came and spoke with us. It has been in the back of my mind and we don't want to lose focus of why we're here. And that's for our children to educate them and to make sure that we bring up that
024bottom uh cortile, those uh that that we declared we wouldn't leave behind. We are making great strides and doing great things. And I just want us to continue in that vein. Uh, the next thing I want to me mention, uh, going through my mail, I stumbled on, uh, a virtual tour of Crescent City, uh, elementary, uh, Crescent City, Middleton Bernie, the new school that's being built, and and, uh, Mrs. Pickkins was a part of it. The administration at Middleton Bernie, I saw Tina Gillard and Mrs. Yolanda Brady and some others, and a great tour. And from the little time that we had been there with them, the last >> topping >> Yeah. topping uh it it's awesome. The next thing um who we play for partnership um um Mr. Superintendent did mention that at our
025grand opening and how crucial this thing is for our students that ECG heart screening. We don't know. We just don't know. And and and we're taking every necessary uh precaution. And not only that, availing to the parents and the students the opportunity to find something prior to it becoming something major. And so at this point, I'm really talking to the parents on this case. Don't let the child decide. you as the parent step up and say if you're going to play sports, you're going to have it done. And even if you're not going to play sports because sometimes these are what we can call our silent killers. Uh so take advantage of that. And the final thing, the wellness uh center grand opening, which Mrs. Picking started out with, just just phenomenal. and the hard
026work that went into it. Uh the leg work, the the blood, the sweat, the tears, and everything that went into it. As you said, your coworker said, it's going to make the difference. It's saying what you all have been voicing throughout, we want to keep our employees healthy so that they could do what they need to do and not only that, make it cost effective for them. >> Mr. Chair, >> Mr. Wagner. So again, I I also app uh attended the ribbon cutting at the health center and I think everybody's very excited about it. Um I have not gotten set up my first appointment yet, but I do plan to. Um and it's for me being on the far side of this county, it's actually not terribly, you know, it's not on the other side
027of Palada for me. So it's actually fairly convenient to those in my area. Um it's beautiful and the staff was wonderful to us and and yeah, I'm I'm very excited about it. Um and the uh you know, kudos to the insurance committee. Um I'm on it, but these guys are uh they're they go in, they do deep dives on everything and I'm amazed at the uh the knowledge that that they have already on that board. Um, of course it's a very exciting time with the start of school and um, you know, we do want to remind everybody to stay calm during the hectic times. Uh, uh, someone in my office has already dealt with, you know, it's it's a little bit of a commotion at the beginning of the year, but it so far it
028looks like everything's going smoothly. And I did want to um well also I wanted to say thank you to Sandy uh just for being our board chaplain. Um I I appreciate every prayer that you give for us and it's a wonderful it sets just a wonderful tone for us. We may not always abide by that tone during the meetings, but we we certainly have the best start I can imagine for any any board in Florida. Um, and and not to um address too much of Mr. Buckle's items, but honestly, I don't re recall a couple of things that you said quite the same way. Um, but I understand your position and and I think that experience such as yourself, I mean, that's one of the biggest benefits of your position over there is you have
029that experience and I certainly respect that and the way you know how things have gone in the past. Um, everyone on this board other than pretty much myself and Mr. I guess have experience within our system here. Um I certainly don't I've been learning as I go and continue to and I don't want to personally I don't want to ever put down what's been done or your experience that you bring but I also do think um we all have to keep an eye for new ideas and and disagreements. you know, we've disagreed on other things whether we vote similarly on those, but new ideas, fresh sets of eyes, um, do help drive us forward. I your point is well taken as far as, you know, having cohesiveness, but I I think honestly and and I'm
030I'm going to go home probably this evening and rewatch it. I have not rewatched our last board meeting, but um, I didn't hear what you were saying as threats. uh at least I took it differently and and I'm very cautious with language being an attorney. I know that he had mentioned uh consequences and that was questioned. I took that to mean if you know if I do something wrong in any sense, you know, there's always going to be consequences for any action. I didn't take that as a threat and I'm certainly I'm certainly sorry if anything I had ever said came across that way as well because um but I didn't take it that way and I'm just saying understand that things often are maybe misconstrued and I would hope that our board members all
031would at least give each other the grace to uh perhaps maybe misspeak a little bit on certain things as we're discing these things and not um be overly harsh in our rebuttals. But that's all I got. >> Okay. Thank you, M. Wagner. So, I briefly, and I don't want to get in debate, just just um clarify a couple things. Uh first of all, uh the job description I wrote was sent to the human resource director uh as it is because the superintendent submits job descriptions under the statute 10 uh 1011 or 1012 and and so there was no reason for me to bring it to the board because that's not my my job. Number two, I've never called the governor's office or any other entity either before or after um and have never threatened anybody.
032Um and as board chair, I just run the meeting as a board member um irregardless whether chairman or not. Um you know, I'm going to follow the statute. And you know, the final thing is that um we did exactly as the statute says it. The position came to the board. It was voted in favor by 32 and it's a done deal. It's a mute issue. So with that, I'd like to thank the board, the superintendent, and the board attorney for all your kind words, um your cards, the flowers, um and the support that you've given me over the last two weeks uh with with the passing of my mom. And with that, I'll Mr. Superintendent, you're you're recognized. Oh, Mr. Holmes, I'm sorry. >> I have not been. >> All right, Mr. Super. >> Thank
033you. Uh just a reminder and we'll meet again as a board before then, but uh on your calendar, college and career night at Black High School on September 18th, right? >> Yes, sir. >> And it gets bigger and bigger and >> should be even better this year. That's begins at 6:00 and finishes at 7:30 p.m. >> Um I love doing podcast. I really do. We we release one every Wednesday and uh as of yesterday, we actually we recorded two of them. Uh Kimberly Simmons, our lead therapist, is in the room and actually had her and a couple of uh what another one of your therapists and we actually talked about the resilient roots program where they actually have um done some family therapy this past summer and the summer before and you know I think
034that's really out of the box kind of thinking and really maybe addresses some of those um things that might happen at home that can help the student be more successful at school. So kudos to uh Tim and your department. Also have done one on um CPR. We recorded one on CPR and as you know Diana Drew's stepdaughter um actually helped save a life using CPR that she learned in one of her classes and I thought that was pretty cool. And um you can watch the watch the video and but it it's really moving and I think it just talks about how the things we learn in school can really save lives and really impact our community. So that that's a real good one. And we also recorded one last week or the week before on
035fentanyl. And as you know fentanyl is one of our newest deadly drugs out there. And I I learned a lot from you interviewing the the people in the podcast. But what's scary is they said that enough fentanyl on the tip of a pencil is enough to kill a human being. And when when people take drugs, especially drugs, they don't know the origin of it, it can contain that. And um you know, and I just urge everybody to watch that. It's very educational and it's really scary what our kids are subject to. So, just want to point out that uh these are real informational podcasts and hopefully uh people will watch that and be a lot more safer. Football season starts officially this Friday night and we had a couple rain outs and lightning outs last
036week, but hopefully the weather's going to permit and uh have a great kickoff to the season. No pun intended. But um last thing I want to do is cl uh first of all, schoolboard workshop. Susan just reminded me on our district data and this is the same this is right before the next board meeting September 9th at two o'clock. >> Just make sure you have that on your calendar. I'm sure Susan will send out a reminder about that. And speaking of workshops, I know we had a budget workshop and I wanted to get some clarification and Jonathan and I, our staff were talking about earlier and I want to make sure we provide the level of um information that was talked about in the board workshop and Jonathan feel free to come up and and
037ask some questions. I know and it had to do with the bud the budgets of the departments. So Jonathan, you want to elaborate and let's get some clarification from the board so we can provide that at the U budget budget hearing? >> Yes sir. Um so the clarification and and just so you guys know I went back and watched the hour and a half video uh after 1:00 today between this meeting. Um so at the end of the meeting I said so to clarify you're wanting like basically clarifying what you wanted from the budget and the response was you wanted the district budget summary and the district budget totals available on the website and to y'all. Um today alone three of you have specifically asked about the line item detail of the budgets. So I
038need to know which of those like how we can do line item. We can do the totals that you asked for saying HR you're getting $200,000 and that's their budget. We can do the line item uh to the object line. So um one of the examples was um object line 379 or 390 other purchase services. Um they they may budget 50,000 into that line. Now, I don't think you would want to get into gran granularity of what all they're looking to put in there because as lure brought up an example in that meeting, um they may go with this product or they may go with that product, but they're putting the money there for a product. So, they may not know what the actual line item specificity is yet. So, are you guys wanting the
039budget summary and the department totals or are you wanting to go down to like how much they're putting in each object line, not including salaries and benefits? Cuz we can provide that to you, but that's going to really give you way more data than you may want um to do what y'all were talking about doing. >> Miss Vickens, you want to go? I would I think I would prefer by the department. I don't I don't want every little line item. I want by department. So >> and I did write line item in my email. So but I I think just districts I mean not districts but departments. >> I I think that's what I would like at least initially. >> Okay. >> Um if that's that works for you. >> Okay. >> For y'all. I
040mean it's I I don't I want to start on the bigger scale and and if I need to work down smaller then I can talk to you. >> Okay. >> So Jonathan help me. Line item to me would be like in a department um travel consulting you know the big line items not a breakdown is you know we're consulting with X Y and Z. This is our money we're spending on consulting which we get every board meeting. We approve those contracts and everything else. just is that is that what you're >> said when I see line item yes that's what I'm talking about so for example travel >> let's say I travel throughout the year to four different conferences you're not want to see that but you don't want to see the money I have
041in travel >> for the total of it yes that's what I'm talking about >> just just the totals y >> so that's the line item detail I'm I'm referencing >> good that's I think we're all in agreement >> so you want line item total >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. >> We have a consensus. Is that what I'm >> I don't know if I if I want to find something out, I'll go find it out. That's not a big deal. >> I just want to make sure just so we we can clarify because I heard Miss >> Yeah. So I What's easiest for the department >> for us to make them >> So I mean the easiest always going to be giving you the big number up top. That's what we have to do by
042the state. But um >> we that number is I mean we've already cut down the department. So, we already know what the departments are getting. Um, as far as their line item in the context we're talking, um, we don't have that. We would have to, and I had my assistant start working on this earlier. She, um, started preparing an email just in case, depending on what is decided here today, um, to ask departments to prepare that because we don't know that information yet. like they did put in a comp plan for their original budget request, but when we cut them, that's kind of out the window because now they got to figure out what can we actually do. Um, so we can do that, but that will take longer. We'll have to get all the
043departments to submit something to us to then turn over to you guys. Right now, I can go ahead and give you the uh department. Well, not literally right now, but today I could probably give you the department totals. the the department told us the lump sum amount that the department gets. Correct. Yes. >> And so your mom in her before in her last budget thing, she did give us a a line item breakdown that didn't go, you know, it just had a budget, you know, category really under the department budget and it just, you know, it was very informative. It wasn't a breakdown of everything under that line item. It was just a line item. here's the amount and what what the title of the of the uh what the funding was was going to
044>> there. I can run a report that sits there and gives the breakdown for what's in every object code. I can go ahead and do that, but it won't be accurate because >> we've already cut those departments. So, we may have left a h 100,000 sitting in this object code, but now that department is saying, "Oh, well, we're not going to spend anything on that because we don't have the money to. He cut us here, so we're going to put it somewhere else." So now that we've set the the millillage basically, I mean we can go down and obviously I I guess that's not going to be an option. Um they should have they should know the money that they're going to get or you should you know when you allocate to the department here's
045you know your allocation for the the 25 26 school year, you know, and don't they already have the line from what they did last year? I mean >> well they they can pull the information they have last year. They don't know their totals this year yet. I have verbally said several times, we haven't given to them. Um, I have verbally said several times, I've cut every department back to at least what they spent last year. Um, but >> when would they so when would they get that amount where they start working with it before the se the before our next budget um adoption uh mill? >> I mean, if they reached out and asked, we would give it to them. We don't we don't necessarily we don't give it to them, but we don't withhold
046it from them. So they we can let them know in an email tonight. I mean that's no big deal. Um it's just they know they can only spend 50%. And so they're not going to spend their entire budget in the first month and a half of school. >> Understand? Yeah. To me and and the statute requires I don't know I think Mr. homeless was going to send it to the board. Um that it has to be um you know for our citizens to see you know be able to go online and look at it and explainable to me just lump sums uh doesn't really give you the full picture of of what the money is doing within those individual departments. I mean obviously transportation is very different than ESSE and that type of thing. So
047if you just you know and I know they have line items but under those line items there's different things but just the line item itself you know will tell us you know this is what that money's going for >> and we can do that it's again consensus of the board I will say from the three of you talking earlier on this when I stepped up it sounded like you said total and it sound like you may have also said total and then it kind of changed to line item. So, whatever. >> I said it from day one. I wanted the line items, but I can't evaluate a budget. >> And I will I will say when I went and talked to our team earlier, I was saying line item two because I watched the meeting
048back, you said line item several times and almost every time you brought it up, but at the end when I clarified, line item wasn't said. And that's why I wanted to clarify today what was actually >> just everybody's using different words for possibly the same thing. But um I mean I would prefer not just one lump sum for each department. >> So you want line item two then that's showing object. >> There's varying degrees of line items. I mean there is line item and then you can have 500 things under >> we don't want the 500 things. We want the total of each line item. That's that's what I'm getting. >> That's what Yes. That's what I'm asking. Not just one lump. Like >> me too. >> Department gets $100,000. I'd like the they get
049this much and this is >> generalities of how they spend it in the different areas. >> Yeah. So that's a consensus of the board. We can do that. Um that will take a few days. We will have to ask all the departments to give us what those are. Um projected of course because things do change. They have the ability to transfer funds. If they decide they're not going with a product and so they have extra money, they can move it over and buy more paper for their printer. Um, so it'll it'll be projected for them, but we can we can do that. Uh, we can get the email sent out u no later than tomorrow and ask all of them to report by report back to us. >> When's the next I think is is
050that correct? September >> September 11th. Well, that's a Thursday for our budget hearing. There's a meeting two days before it, I believe. >> Yeah. It' be nice to be good to have it. Be good to have it. Tanya is trying to get >> the board meeting. >> It would be nice to have before the board. until September 11th >> and you flip the switch. >> You can send me an email, but I'm not going to be able to tell you what I'm going to have in each yet. >> We will. Yeah, that that's correct. So, what what So >> give you that. >> That was part of the thing that came up earlier is it won't and that's why I said projected earlier because it will not be accurate. Um because up until September 11th,
051well up until September 10th or whenever the we finally get done, we're constantly making changes on the finance side that maybe something happened. For example, um I got an email yesterday that um from the auditors about an issue and we're going to have to char charge 87,000 back to general fund from last year. So now we got to rebalance that 87,000. So that's got to come from somewhere. Um but before that we had a check come in that gave us extra money for last year. So we still have to rebalance it. Um so that'll change maybe a department here there a little bit. So I can give you the information. It will not be completely accurate. It'll and from the departments it'll be their projections but we can get that to you. Keep in mind
052though it will not be completely accurate >> but the projections all have to I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> I was just going to say based on then what Mrs. White said it looks like maybe after the 12th and we set it for our next meeting, maybe September 11th if we wanting the most accurate one. Maybe receive it after the September 12th. >> Yeah, the September 11th is when it's finalized. >> Right. But uh Tanya mentioned the 12th. Mrs. Whitehurst mentioned the 12th. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> But that's our meeting. >> Our budget meeting is the 11th. and see what's really for my >> that that's the catch there. You won't have a full accurate picture until the 12th. So the 12th I can give you the same exact information with the accurate um numbers
053and actually probably I don't know how soon but once they see their numbers in Skyward they'll probably start doing budget transfers. They've got to start doing budget transfers anyways because they got to cover the stuff they're buying now and make sure those those expenditures are covered. So, we can give you a report now that will not be a 100% accurate and will just be projections of what departments say they're going to spend or what lines departments are going to spend. And then afterwards, when they're done transferring anything, we can give another report of the same thing showing their true budget and their again projected line expenditures. That's, you know, I mean, I've never seen it done that way in in school district budgeting is very, you know, different than any other agency. But by that
054time, we've already made the decision. The budget's adopted and and the millage rate. And so, I just don't it's just hard to really evaluate things, you know, without having those line items. I mean, we can look at what they had last year, and you're basically saying that they're not going to get any more, right? Is that what you were? >> Well, their number won't go up unless we get a really nice check for that's dated back to last year. >> Um, so yeah, they're So, if I sit there and I'll use a $200,000 to HR example I did earlier. Um, if that's the number they have now, chances are they're either going to be at that number or slightly below it based off based off our balancing. I don't I if 87,000's the biggest hit
055we take that I just got email about yesterday, then uh across the 20 departments we said that we had um at the last meeting. Um we can spread that out uh obviously. So it won't affect any department greatly. Um but that's pretty much the only place we can cut right now is departments unless you're looking at ending a program or something. I'm not I mean I don't know what I'm you know until you look at it you can't make any determination. I you know I didn't know of any thing that I'd want to cut departmentwise you know but um just looking at a lump sum doesn't give you the whole picture and and it you know and I think it and for certainly for transparency with you know the general public and taxpayers it's you
056know we need as much transparency as we can get. So, it just seems um every budget I've worked with, local, state, and federal, private sector, you know, all of that was you had before you had to make the final decision on the budget and and the millage rate, >> but and and I could have swore your mom did that for us, but maybe I was. Maybe. >> Well, we can again, we can give you something that's projected to be what it's going to be, but based off balancing, it still could change. And that's where the accuracy part of it comes in. I mean, >> so we can give you what you're asking for to some extent. >> Change. I mean, that that's just part of it. But if you can give us, you know, you
057know, as accurate as we can get up until that time frame, I think that that would suffice. Certainly would suffice for me. >> Yeah. So that and we can do that. And if that's consens of the board, we will do that. >> You're good with that? >> You pick, Miss Pickicket. >> This is not on that topic because I think we are in agreement, but um do our numbers look up districtwide or >> as far as like student, >> um we're actually uh next Friday is our student 10 day count. This Friday, >> 10day count, >> our 10day counts this Friday. So, we'll have a better >> good view of that. So, um I actually haven't studied the sheets yet. I don't know if anyone else can comment on it. >> Normally, normally we're down
058till after Labor Day and it, you know, then people start sending kids back to school. I don't understand why that is, but it's traditionally been that way. >> And we'll look at it. We're going to look at Friday and, you know, try to anybody any vacancies or whatever, try to balance that out with based on the enrollment and that type thing. So, we should know more after Friday. >> And we're still trying to fill positions, right? Those 15 positions. Well, right now, Tanya, do you want to right now? >> Yeah, wait till the 10day camp >> and then and then then go forward, >> right? Then we'll make a decision then. >> Schools that are down, they we say we used to call it lose a teacher, but that teacher is shifted to another school
059where the enrollment is up. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, I want to just clarify. So, I'm going to I'll make sure the email is sent out tomorrow asking departments to give us we will give the departments their current total. We will ask the departments to give us object line item detail. So, not all the 500 lines, but the total at the top of that line item detail. Um, the next board meeting is the 9th. Um, how how soon before that do you want it? Just so I know y'all have plenty of time to review. What? I mean, something that you that's workable for y'all. >> Okay. I mean, we can ask that the departments get it to us by the end of the month and then the Friday before that. I mean, that gives us
060the whole weekend to look at it. >> Okay, that sounds good. >> I mean, I don't anticipate it taking a long time. You can go through this pretty quick. >> Yeah, it should. It should be fairly quick. So, all right. >> Okay, we good. All right. Uh, thank you. >> Anything else come before the board? >> All right, we will stand adjourned.