001We should be good. Thank you. Uh Mr. Whismer is not able to make this. Uh so chair we will start with curriculum uh which is elementary language arts curriculum proposal arts and letters. All right, >> Mr. Barnes and Mr. Pile joined us this evening to share a little bit if you recall last year. I think it was May by the time we really had that conversation about triing arts and letters, language arts curriculum in two grades, one section of second grade and one section of fourth grade, right? At both the KES uh both KS because those were the teachers who were kind of most ready to jump on board um with very little notes. So, we are >> Can we get a Yeah. Can we get a a memory refresh on >> that's our first
002slide recap? Yes, we are planning to just kind of get you up to speed to how we got to this point and then fill you in on on what's been happening. Go to slide three. >> Yeah. So why we're here and the issue that uh we're trying to jump ahead of is the existing resource that we have right now does not align to the structured literacy framework. Um in 2004 act 135 was passed to expand access to structured literacy in PA uh improve literacy achievement for all students. So what that is looking at is evidence-based reading instruction and curriculum materials for K to three. So the look for there um we need to be aligned with PA standards and structured literacy or science reading. Um and it includes a logical scope and sequence for explicit
003explicit systematic instruction, pumitive instruction, uh which incorporates awareness, output of principal coding and coding fluency but comprehension and building content knowledge which we'll briefly go over in a later slide. uh it may not include the free queuing systems uh which has been used in the past and kind of goes right along with the program that we currently have. >> You go to the next slide. >> So up till now we have addressed those requirements by introduc introducing UFly integrity which provide explicit instruction and phonics and awareness. We've added decodable texts to our primary classrooms as well as sound walls which provide a visual cue for students in um recognizing the sounds and the letters that make the sounds. >> I just want to throw on too I think that I think this is true of
004all of those and getting my timeline to it but the beginning or the planning for the implementation of these pieces started before the requirement before the state requirement became official. This was this would work with being got ahead of that as well. >> There we go. So, um this is kind of breaking down how complex and complicated reading is. That's not a natural thing that we do. Um and then then and that's broken down into two different strands that are interweaved into what we would want to produce a skilled reader. So we have the foundational skills, the word recognition, that's the bottom strand, that's a lot of the stuff that you just saw, a lot of the work that we've been doing already. Um and again, that will complement uh this program as well because
005you also need to have that balance. I think that was the thing that we were missing in balance. Literacy was a balance because not only is it important to learn to read, but you can't forget about, you know, reading to learn. And since this structured literacy push has happened, there's a lot of districts now that are like phonics, phonics, phonics, phonic awareness. But you need to remember the other strand as well. and how um how do we differentiate that for each student knowing what are their gaps and then how can we address that. So and then the tough thing of being a teacher is you know interweaving both of these things and making sure that all students are getting grade level content material but also then differentiating those student needs on an individual basis. So
006ultimately we our tools to to produce a lot of skilled readers. >> So our proposal to you for the pilot was to use arts and letters and geodess to address that other strand of the reading rope with uh specific explicit instruction in knowledge building and comprehension. And so that is what we have done this year. And if you go to the next slide, you'll see how the components of arts and letters have they focus on the language comprehension and they focus on that exclusively knowing that whoever whatever district employs arts and letters as that as the material to instruct in that strand of the rope will also have a foundational skills program which we do have in you fly integrity. So we're addressing both strands of the rope and then pulling it all together with
007the geodess which help to in small groups practice those skills pime especially in the primary grades. So we have been using this as Mr. Chhattton said in second and fourth grade. So then the additional benefits we already touched upon the explicit instruction piece uh enriching vocabulary grammar there's a very large writing piece embedded in this as well um also the variety of assessments we already have solid structures in place in terms of in both buildings our MTSS model our data meetings that we hold so again with these assessments it will allow us to really dig deeper and differentiate force students uh that our data teams and our MTSS teams can really use that data moving forward. Um it provides scaffolds for our ELLs. Um another great component of this are the rich and authentic texts
008that are provided. Uh I think if you got to walk in our shoes and kind of see some of the texts that we saw uh when we were walking around um students were really engaged and really um into the texts that were there. And I think that's also something that we're kind of lacking in our other program where teachers are really working hard to find other supplemental resources there to to meet the needs of our kids. And then there's a balance of the print and digital piece as well to engage students in knowledge building activities. >> So that's all that's happened leading up to this and now we'll fill you in on how the pilot's been going thus far and what our proposal is for moving forward. >> Yeah. So in I think it was
009early December uh a team comprised of GES and KDS people uh we went to Parkland and we got to visit all grade levels K through five. Uh we learned about how they implemented it in the district. Uh they talked about the opportunity to discuss you know the key parts of the program. Uh it was it was really eye opening and it it was really cool to see and I think I could talk for a while and I'm not going to because I usually do that. Um but one of the things that really stood stood out to me was the common language from just even kindergarten to fifth grade how they were using the same language and and it was really really neat to see. Um, more things that we've done, uh, the pilot teachers at
010KES participated in a professional development. Granted, this was thrown at them at not the optimum time, but they did have limited professional development. Uh, also, our teachers from Green Witch and Kes have been visiting the two piloted uh, classrooms. We actually have one set up for about two weeks since we've been talking about this. Uh we've been talking about this in our instructional leadership teams throughout the school year at both buildings. So we're cohesive on the same page working together. Um and it's not a dev and math decision. It's a collective decision. >> So with every um new implementation, there's data that we want to take a look at to ensure that it's meeting our the needs of our students. And so we have data for second and fourth grade to share with you tonight.
011This is looking at proficiency on our end of trimester 2 star reading assessment. And the far right class is the pilot class. You'll notice that it's not exceptionally greater than the other classes. It's also not exceptionally less than the other classes. It's right around where everybody else is performing. But remember that this is first year of implementation. Teachers have had very little very little training. And with any new implementation, you would expect data to be less than what we would see in years three, four, and five. You'll see a similar uh comparison in grade four. on the next slide. All pretty much the same again ex with the expectation that in coming years with training and more proficiency in the implementation on the teachers part that we'll see greater improvement on the students part and
012Matt's going to talk a little bit about a neighboring district that has been using this. This is their uh second year now and what they saw in their PSSA scores. >> Just a point there. We're talking proficiency there like those classes are all different starting points to begin year two theoretically, right? >> Um >> I mean they should be pretty well mixed in starting off about the same >> but I would say there's a lot of factors going into that. You look at the professional development that was provided by this district compared to what >> our two teachers had. And again, you could sit there and we could have discussions about why. Um, but I think that's why we wanted to pull from someone who's done it for a couple years. And you could see,
013you know, there's five uh, actually, can you go back two slides? >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> All right. Yeah. Here we go. Third grade. So, here there was a 13% jump on their PSSA scores. And again, they had five uh arts and letter cohorts compared to the the 30 uh grade three. But you can see um the jumps that they made in just really a short amount of time, which is pretty promising. And if you go to fourth grade, I think it was 11% and then fifth grade was 5%. Um, so again, uh, just another piece of data because again, data drives instruction. We can sit here and talk about stuff, but we need to have and make sure that we have the data that backs up what we're doing and that evidence. So, um,
014so some of the qualitative data that we wanted to share with you is directly from the mouths of students and teachers. Um this is just a an example of some of the texts that come with the program and that um the adventures of Hugo Bray is one of the texts that they used in fourth grade and some fourth grade students. We had a a reading challenge and a fourth grade student got a gift card to Firefly and he went to Firefly and bought his own copy of Hugo Cubet and couldn't wait to come in and tell his teacher about it. Um, students are checking out books by that same author from the library. And then, as I mentioned at the beginning, Arts and Letters really touts itself as a knowledge building program. And so we
015want children to be able to connect what they're reading to their experiences in the world. And one of the fourth grade students went to the Museum of Modern Art and saw a piece of art that she had read about in Hugo Cabra and was so excited to tell Kristen Breville when she got back about seeing this piece of art. So they're making these connections in real life and that is something that as they develop as readers and writers and thinkers, we want them to be able to utilize those experiences. Um and then uh Mrs. Breville and Mrs. Crons who are highlighting right now could not be here tonight but some of the things that they shared um are that the writing is really meaningful to meaningfully collect connected to the reading and each module includes
016an exemplar that they study before students begin generating their own ideas. Students are building a lot of background knowledge about topics and although the texts are engaging and very complex, they have a lot of interactions with each text. And so it's allowing students of varying degrees of their own proficiency to be meaningfully engaged in these complex texts at a high level. And there's also a lot of reading fluency, syllocation, vocabulary, and grammar embedded in the text, which is giving students a lot of meaningful practice with really, really rich authentic literature. I wanted to share those anecdotal pieces of evidence and data with you as well as the quantitative data. And now we'll move on to our proposal for adoption. So the benefits uh obviously the alignment with the structured literacy best practices compliance with act
017135 um the continuation of what we've already started here um in terms of our structured literacy professional development again like this program when you're looking at the strand like we've done a lot of work with the the foundational skills part this just makes sense um for that other strand of the road. Um and you know, I'm proud of the work that we're doing in between buildings and our teachers uh working together. So, continuing that across not only grade levels but also schools and then obviously the interdisciplinary component of things that Dev just talked about. I mean, like the third grade, you know, talking about astrology, we just had the space launch and like kids coming out saying, "Oh, there's Orion's belt." Like, "You learned that in science." No, that was an ELA class. Like, boom.
018That's what I like hearing. So, um, just seems like a lot of really positive and beneficial things in this program. And so monetarily we do have some information to share with you. You'll see the year one costs that includes all of the launch materials that are necessary and also four days of on-site professional development. And then annually we would purchase the workbooks for students as well as the digital resources that are primarily for the teacher to access as they're planning and preparing and for them to use as presentations. But there's also the assessments that Matt talked about are digital and um some other resources that are available in that realm. So that would be our oncuring ongoing recurring cost. And Matt and Christian and myself and Bethanne have been in conversation about how we can
019um manage the budget in order to be able to um pay for the materials that are necessary. Another thing that I don't think we mentioned anywhere in here is that this we are proposing this for first through fifth grade, not kindergarten at this point. Reason being is that kindergarten can really spend their time focusing on those foundational skills of phonics and phmic awareness and using materials that we have already. And then in first grade really starting with this knowledge building. And still of course there are phonics and phmic awareness skills that are developmentally appropriate up through and including the end of second grade going into third grade a little bit as well. But the kindergarten's primary focus will be on phonics and plenty of forms. >> The just, you know, that $58,000 number um is
020included in the current budget projection. So that was uh a couple months ago as we were building a budget. I think it's actually 60 in the budget because we just need had a round number at that time. So you know that is not in addition to what we are buding currently. authority numbers and the uh on the PD cost we believe we can do through shifting some title funds from other PD focus areas. So this this is currently being recommended with no additional expenses to current project. >> Is that 16,000 included in the 58 or is that >> No, it's it's in addition. >> So it's actually 74,000. >> It is. Yes. And that's still within >> it's it's all within the again the 58 um we added 60,000 for the curriculum you know budget
021um that's in the current budget and the 16 is it we have uh title funds that we spend towards professional development just shift those costs from somewhere else so it's all within that current budget >> yeah we'd be able to plan for that for next year since I'm doing that Um so if this is uh approved, we have a lot of work to do. Um first thing would be scheduling professional development for the end of this uh school year, the beginning of next year. Um and potentially some flex opportunities in the summer. Um and then you know something that we heard from teachers and ourselves and we know is important trying to order these materials as soon as possible so that teachers have enough time to get familiar with with the materials and uh come
022through them and ask questions and work together. Uh and then in the school year, something that we've uh done a good job with already, but we'll definitely uh need this more to support our teachers is learning walks, uh professional learning communities, talking about the implementation. If somebody's doing something really well and someone's struggling here, then, you know, we're in constant communication that we can hook those people up and work together to get them to a better place. Uh also a big thing is going to be the adjustment of elementary schedules to meet the needs of arts and letters but also all the other content areas as well um to make most sense but that will also be a big lift that we're ready to take on and um monitor data of course like I said
023data drives in structural practices so making sure that this is working what isn't working how can we adjust at that time to make it better And then of course communication with families that we are switching from one thing to another just to make sure all stakeholders are aware and hopefully involved in this process. >> What sort of adjustments to the schedule are you anticipating? So right now we have a 60 minute block for reader workshop and 45 to 60 depending on the grade level for reader workshop and that is the reading instruction and small group instruction and another time for writing. So, arts and letters is 60 minutes reading and writing combined. And so, that will free up some time for us to do targeted small groupoup instruction based on individual student and small group
024needs. So, it' be a shifting of of those minutes. >> I I love the enthusiasm from the students and the teachers who are pilots. >> And I don't know if they did they did a great job. I'm not sure if they did a great job of uh the enthusiasm from the teachers and then how they bring it out in the students in those classrooms is a couple levels above what they're going to show here at a six at six o'clock on a Monday night like >> yeah they are truly advocates for this program and the work and if you walk into their classroom you know it's immediately they bring it over to a student to have them tell you a story I mean that's that's where Mrs. thrones and spray are on. So, not criticizing
025your performance this evening. I just think they are a little more excited than you. Yes. The energy you >> expected to bring for a committee meeting. >> Yeah. And they've been very open to having visitors in their classroom. There's been a representative from just about every grade level. Well, I think fifth grade is the only grade that hasn't had an opportunity or doesn't have a scheduled opportunity to visit the classrooms, but fourth and fifth grade talk all the time. Um, to see it in action and it really it it is very um electric in the classroom. It's really fun to see. Back >> to a budget question, the initial cost is around 70,000 this year. Recurring cost next year is what 14. What what recoccurring costs are we losing by is are there any that
026are >> leaving the budget? >> Uh well, we have I'll I'll speak for the KES budget. I a lot a certain amount of money every year to purchase new books for classroom libraries and whatnot. And while we will still want to keep our classroom libraries fresh, we will not need to outlay as much money as I have set aside every year because the texts are so rich and there are ample copies for the students in the classroom. So my intention is to just shift that money that I already have into purchasing the workbooks and still have a little bit of money left over to >> so recur so the recurring annually really doesn't appear to be much of a budget increase. No, no, I will. Yeah. >> Yeah. I I think that's just us being
027knowledgeable that this is happening and I think we're pretty tight with our budget as it is and we'll make sure that that's a loted at the beginning of the year so we don't have any surprises. kind of scaffolding is built into the program to increase from year to year like going from first year first grade to second grade in in the reading in that particular program. One thing that we noticed without anybody pointing it out to us when we visited Parkland was how in each grade level they were focusing on a similar skill that was very rudimentary in first grade but by fifth grade was quite complex. So each year they're, you know, teaching the same fundamentals of reading, but they are ramping up the expectations and the rigor for each additional grade level. And
028that was it was really remarkable and notable when we visited those classrooms. Um, another thing that is even just within a particular school year, the a lot of the books are read aloud in the classroom. Now, students have an opportunity to read their own texts as well, but a lot of the books are read aloud. So, that really levels the playing field for students of all reading abilities. And so that they don't have to stumble over the text, but they can still do the thinking work that is related to the text, which is really important as we fill in some of the gaps for students who are struggling readers. They're not all struggling thinkers and that really capitalizes and empowers them. I'm language is very evident in like the language comprehension of like we heard
029the same kids in kindergarten saying the same strategies and like sentence starters that like fifth graders were using yet we were seeing it a different voca like the enrichment of vocabulary was also pretty glaring too even in the younger grades kids having conversations back and forth and using you know there's a part in the lesson where they go over that they both have and just walking around then and hearing them use that in context of what they're doing was pretty cool to me. >> And have you seen this in I mean I know you went to Parkland and you got the data from Parkland but were there other school districts that you know of who have been using this and show the same kinds of increases? >> Parkland is the only we asked uh great
030minds. Parkland is the only district in the region that is using arts and letters. Their first iteration is called Wit and Wisdom and there are other districts in the area. Salsbury is one that is using Wit and Wisdom, but we did not go and visit those districts because there have been some significant shifts in this second iteration. Thank you. >> Um, you know, I guess, you know, from the committee, you know, as far as like in in reality, this would be an expense that's approved as a part of the budget, but the budget won't formally be approved until June 15th and we probably want to get ahead of that with some ordering. You know, one of the most challen challenging thing for a teacher to hear is, "Hey, we need to plan to implement new
031curriculum." more challenging is hey we need to implement the curriculum and everything will be here on August 15th right like that's that's at least with choice in throughout the summer I think is a little bit you know better um so you know if we if from the committee level um we can get a recommendation you know we would put an approval of purchase on the full agenda so we can make that purchase before the budget actually pass so just to get our time and if there's I mean if there's other questions and more you want to hear more you want to learn um you know it's let us know if you bring back more information at this point appreciate your work I always think it's worth new ways and exciting ways to get kids to
032progress more so it's been a try I think all in favor thank you thank for your I think everyone is is aware um Dr. I'll pull up in a second the that just that we have this Friday we have a steamroller print festival >> I think there's been a lot of promotion of this um you know but it's an exciting event and you'll see up in that top left corner it says rain or shine there are alternate plans if there's rain but right now it looks like sunny and 80 I think on Friday so it's going to be exciting um where you know the art department Mr. Hoffman at, you know, the head of that in the high school here is planning to do some printing using a steamroller. Um, and there will be other
033art activities all throughout this part of the campus here at the high school. Um, all activities will take place down by the fieldhouse and kind of and at the end of the parking lot here in the high school. Um, Chrisboro Police are going to be here to support us as well because it is a community event during the school day. Um all grades are going to funnel through um the event throughout the day and I'm just really excited. It's gonna be fun. There's been a lot of time and energy put into this sunshining as you know all events the sunshining just makes such a difference. So we'll be hope crossing our fingers until Friday. But it looks like it's going to be a beautiful day. So if you have an opportunity stop by there is
034an opportunity for some hands-on community printing at from 3 to 5 once students are dismissed. you have an opportunity, stop by. >> Thank you. I'm actually gonna have to step out for a couple minutes. Okay. So, if you mind for me? >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, conclusion of our curriculum portion, we move into policies for review. And first up is policy 04 membership. We've been trying to get to that you on here for a while. So back in February, I I guess we had talked about it in January or December. Um and um it was suggested that I come up with some suggested wording, which I did. basically pulling from other districts who have polic have wording in their policies. Um, and I send it to y'all at the beginning of
035February. I should send it again. So, it'll be at the top of people's inboxes, which I can if anybody's having difficulty finding So I think that you know the inclusion of uh the applications, the interviews and the appointment process as well as um an example of the application in the s sample advertisement I think would all be you know valuable addition so that there's more clarity in terms of uh what exactly that process could be um for appointment. So, um I did review and I got your recommendation seemed appropriate. Did also look back and see um you know pulled up some former advertisements that KZtown area had used when there was a vacancy. So that's one from our own advertisements there. >> Yeah. I mean I'm jumping in here and make conversation. I'm not sure
036if I heard everything but um I would say that my opinion is that there's I like the idea of direction. Um I think we need to put in there some triggers as in uh does it start right after um notification is provided so that we can begin the process without any sort of delay. >> Okay. >> Because we are limited >> correct >> without waiting for a meeting. without waiting waiting for a meeting. I think it needs to um happen pretty much day one that we start we get out the uh once the resignation's received obviously you know I I'm aware that until it's voted on and approved the resignation isn't you know complete but but I would also think that if we put it out there and they change their mind in that couple
037days a week until the next meeting Um it wouldn't matter if we refute anything or not. They will pull it back. Um I would say that um if notific I think we need to have the timeline. Um if notification provided you know more than 72 hours before the meeting that we the goal should be to have it on the next agenda for interviews. So get if they have that timeline and it's out there, then there's a window for application to come in. So if we get that notification on a a Monday prior to a board meeting, it should be on that agenda the following Monday. Um so there is no so so there's no delay. Um I think that I mean I think it's a good idea to have something in place procedurally as a
038trigger. I will also say though I do think or I won't I'm not willing to put a future board in a position where they're bound by this one um option. So I think that uh there would have to be a second option for me to support it. Um which would just be uh recommendation of the president. Hopefully then that does not need to be with the other triggers. It's not necessary. Um but uh due to conditions that are can be unforeseen, I wouldn't put another board in position where they're bound by one and no longer. >> Okay. Um that makes sense. Um what um I just want to make sure that I'm understanding what you're saying. So if the resignation is received and it's put on to be voted to be accepted, then you want
039the advertisement. >> So what I typed in here was just upon receipt of the resignation, the administration is directed to post an anticipated vacancy immediately. I think is what right like just just so we don't lose any time in accepting applications >> and and just to clarify so what makes the resignation like what officially by law I guess what I'm looking at is um what starts that window date of receipt versus date of approval >> date of approval starts the timeline till we have to fill but of course we can post something anticipating applications Nothing stops, >> right? Okay. >> I think with us going to one meeting a month now, that also puts us under a bigger time crunch than it did before with having two meetings. >> Yeah. And it does. I mean,
040it does now. If we have one a month, somebody happens to resign the day after the previous meeting, they they still won't be accepted for a month, you know, so we'll still have 30 days from then, but it just gets really tight. the most time we have, you know, and um in those instances into the future, it's it's very likely we're going to be recommending that we add special meeting just because that time that that we want to get to, you know, we could have by nature of the vacancy. Most of the time it's going to be an even number of board members voting on it. the chances that you're going to have, you know, chances that you have a kind of tied deadlock vote are just not likely. >> So, um, >> That's always
041been the case. But I just I do like the idea of getting, you know, ahead of an anticipated vacancy. That's just >> Yeah. Just to clarify on the alternative path you were recommending with the recommendation of the president, what what would be a circumstance in which you would expect that that might be? >> I mean, I don't um unforeseen circumstance could be anything that could come up. I'm not going to hypothesize. I just know that I'm going to my recommendation is you're not going to lock me into one and one way only. But that's that's how board members are picked anyway. There's like one way to be on the board election wise, right? Right. And legally, this this is going above and beyond. So So I mean, we're already we're already deciding that we have
042to do more than state code dictates. Isn't that a good thing? I don't know. Time will tell, I suppose. Not always. I don't I don't know that it's always a good thing to do more than state code says. >> I guess I'm just trying to figure out what a what a reasonable scenario would be in which we would not have want to have a clear, transparent, open, you know, documented process. I think that by by making the the doing the completing the things that I just recommended, it makes it a lot um easier to complete in that manner. But again, I I don't know that that's always going to be the case. And I don't know that a board 10 years from now is going to necessarily agree with our stance today. So I would
043not support a one way and one way only. So essentially the differences here the public right because if the if the vacancy notification triggers accepting applications well that that's already been triggered we've accepted applications and given no matter what process followed someone is going to have to make a recommendation you know a motion is made it's a recommendation you know so that that is the essentially the only differences between these paths are the public inputs Right. I mean, when it comes down to what it would actually look like, I just wanted to kind of bring distill to the president can make a motion or recommendation for anything, you know, that's a motion. >> And they would need majority of the board to agree. >> Sure. >> On their recommendation. Um I would just say that
044I think that uh you know you don't want to constrict yourself through one way and one way and it's very simple um to add another option. Um, I would think that uh by triggering this process right from the beginning that it won't need to be used, but I don't see the I don't see the harm in having it in there as a fail safe if there's some circumstance that we're not aware of that hurts. So would your recommendation be adding language to 04 under appointment to say that again a candidate will be recommended but then alternative alternatively the president can make a recommendation for appointment at that time is that I'm just practically trying to figure out where where your proposed language >> I didn't I didn't try to rewrite the policy at this point
045I was just here for discussion so Yeah, >> I think there's I think only a few changes that I'd like to see occur for good. So, um and just I didn't bring it up because I think it's this is more our side, but Jim again this is going back to Jim had looked at it just made some recommendations around vacancy shall be advertised blah blah blah just some stuff procedural stuff we would have to handle from post. >> Yeah. I mean, so so for instance, why why can the president make it what happens if we do have four candidates that interview and we're all we're dead and no one is >> I mean at at that point we're in a Robert's rules repation of >> right >> motion second I don't think that there's I
046guess my point is I don't think that we should be um restricted to just that there's got to be another way. if there's another candidate that comes forward after the fact or or just don't think we want to limit a future board. Um they would still have to get board majority and um I think there needs to be a just a way to a fail safe because of course I mean if we don't come up with an agreement u then the fail safe is a county judge. So I I would think that we want a fail state built into our policy prior to a county judge appointing someone to >> So then is it if this process fails then >> I I I think that could be more reasonable that if if the board does
047not come to a single candidate through Robert's rules of orders that they agree to then it could defer to the the board president making a recommendation that could be voted on. Um I guess in reading the policy, it's only when a majority of the memberships are vacant that it would go to the court of common please. So I don't think >> or or if you want to point somebody in a lot of time, right? We we exceed the amount of time that can >> Yeah. >> But it still needs 10 or more residents, taxpayers to fill out forms for it, right? >> Yeah. It just has happened in times in other districts where you know has there's been no agreement that goes >> but I think putting it in as we first go through the
048vacancy process with the um advertisement and the interviews and we ask the board to come to an agreement. If the board cannot come to an agreement through broad tools and borders then allowing the board president to make a recommendation makes sense. So that that's a a fail safe before it gets to that point of of being out of compliance with the 30 days. >> Yeah. I think we need to have some sort of feel safe that that it's got to be there in my opinion. So my question to that then would be so does that mean and I mean I think it has to mean for it to have teeth to being fail safe is that at that point the board president can recommend somebody who have not participated process right because otherwise it would
049just be going rounding. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I mean I think at some point that we need to be able to just make a recommendation and have up or down vote. Does it sense after after the board has had advance that they can't come to an agreement then it could go to recommendation from the president? >> Yeah, that that's fine. I mean I don't know what you know what that looks like. If for some reason they're we get too close the meeting is too close to our 30-day window for whatever reason. Um, I think we just need to be careful, especially with a 30-day deadline. I think by triggering it earlier, we're already helping our situation. Um, again, practically, his board president has someone in mind that they would likely be recommending. They will have
050convince them to fill out the application. I don't Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm more concerned about there's no gradient be more people and more. >> Yeah. Which I mean across, you know, historically across the state that's more of it's typically more of a problem to not have candidates than is to have too many candidates. We've been fortunate I think at times and um that's that's just been more like get zero. >> Yeah. And we have a policy in place where we have nobody go up against we have to have a way around it. So given those those pieces discussed um basing off Soul's recommendation as a starting point, adding the automatic trigger for anticipated vacancy. Um, there's some language about automatically putting it on the next board agenda of the interviews, right? Um that's
051one thing here applications and just let's cl applications accepted up to 74 72 hours before the meeting about 72 hours. >> Well no I just think if the resignation is received more than 72 hours before the next meeting it's reasonable to have it on the next meeting. >> Yes. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah, as long as we can post it, you know, 24 hours really. >> Yeah, we would we would get out by Okay. And then um given the following process giving the boards the ability to agree on a candidate board president make recommendations. I think that you also have to no applications or see make recommendations. Yeah. Okay. Given all of those, you know, we obviously we have some edits to make to the document itself. Anyone ready to make kind of a motion from
052the committee? I' I'd like to actually see it come back to committee with all the proposed changes just so we have clarity on exactly what's in it. That's my feel. >> We'll add the as long as everybody's planning on hanging around for a while. There's no >> the advertisement application would be added as a page through the policy itself. Yeah, that was the other the other recommendation from Jim was if you're going to have an application, it should be an attachment to which other districts I've seen that's so we would just >> policies for review number two is 005 organization. This is another one from the past. Uh just to refresh everybody's memory, these are the committees Migler had brought to everyone's attention agree to review these consider these for policy and then there was
053a request made to collect data from the county as far as other school districts. There was a spreadsheet that was sent that had data collected from every other school district in the county as far as how they handle committees. Um I can share that right here actually have it up. Um I think everyone had an opportunity to look at this red sheet from committee of the whole to you know the the areas of finances curriculum. facilities, personnel, policy, and athletics. Th those were the themes that are involved with everybody's committees across the county. What they're called is a little bit different throughout, but that is the uh that is the nature of the changes we're looking to make with this policy. >> Yeah, we talked I mean I I think I said this in a
054previous meeting. I like you know looking at them a little bit differently. I think these are grouped well. My only concern you know from the onset was just the governance focused policies but as long as those are reside within one committee um which in this proposal they're within the finance property and operations committee. Um I I kind of welcome the opportunity to look at the committees a little bit differently even in our planning and preparation. So I support this recommendation. I think the it's a fresh look that we've kind of we have had a very similar approach for a long time and uh this doesn't change it so so radically but this brings that op operations finance side in governance that the tech piece is divided but that's the world we've lived in for a
055long time where there is this difference between edtech and information tech operation tech. The other piece we you know separating policies, separating its think that we should look at uh in polic in this policy especially now that we're down to only one um month you We're already seeing I mean and they're open to anybody. So I'm not sure why we're especially for these student achievement committees and the finance property operations committee. I'm not sure why we're not just calling committees as a whole at this point. >> Just do a committee of the whole. I mean that that is >> I mean you could still break them down into an hour and an hour >> on Tuesday night. >> The only difference board member commitment for an hour versus two really. I mean that's that's really
056the only difference. committees of the whole though. It's the same as it is now. You don't have to obligation to be here on a Monday night anyway. Um it's not a full board meeting. It's not a voting meeting. Um still wouldn't be a voting meeting. We just make it by definition in the policy. It's not a voting meeting. >> It would still be an advisory >> Yeah. >> to the full board. um >> we don't have chairs in the same sense which does you know that's the chairs do communicate more you know with with the administration about their particular areas that's that's one thing that it would we could a little bit we could name the chair for each committee and still have them as committee and holes that would just be uh just you
057know that would be done at uh at reorg >> we did have that before with the student achievement U Dr. Daring was the chair for the student achievement before it was a committee of the whole. >> Yep, that's true. >> The only the only if we go with this setup here is I'm thinking that the athletics activities should still fall under the finance and property because that deals more with the sports and activity side than anything. >> It is hard. You know, I I get it's under the student side because it's a student focused, but we there's very few there's very few topics other than just updates with sports that don't impact facilities very directly. Again, maybe that's just another reason to put it as a committee of the whole with, you know, members that
058have sharing responsibilities within the committee the whole. But my other thought too is whoever the treasurer is would have to attend two different meetings versus they come to one, you know, under the finance and property operations because again a lot of the athletics and activities sometimes the costs come up and we need to have that information there. So that's just you know my thoughts. I think we do a pretty good job typically of, you know, excusing people when they're no longer, you know, necessary. So, from that standpoint, we just schedule it pretty. That's if we're if we're making them both committees of the whole and Then it almost and we're going to schedule one after another. >> I think it's just one committee the whole >> I was going to say then I Yeah, I
059think one meeting. >> Yeah. And >> I mean the only thing I would think about maintaining them as two committees is for the chair responsibility. Um just because that person does like Christian said a little bit better. I agree with that. I think it's >> I think I think it's um just more what is the right word here? I'm sure um it it makes our life easier be like and easy ease isn't the answer. But when it's a facilities topic, we will often say let's call Jeremiah and get his thoughts. If it is a >> more people involved you board chair. >> Yeah. So >> I mean my only other concern I was thinking about now is if we go to that type of format where we do committee of the whole for two hours.
060We just spent an hour doing the elementary language arts curriculum for half an hour. >> Y >> and now we just spent another 20 minutes on two policies. >> And there's been times where >> we don't even touch policy during this committee meeting at all. And my my big concern is now that 2hour time period is going to be taken up mostly by curriculum and policy and everything else is going to get back to keep it separate. >> I would also be inclined to still have have board members assigned to each committee with a chair but then allowing again obviously all of them are open to everyone. I I think um >> based on interest and expertise kind of blanket. >> Yeah, I think that's it too, right? And you know, >> but I would
061still like to see it specified that they're nonvoting. >> Yes, I think that's I think that's essential for >> I thought the PA code allowed any board member to vote because it's not binding anyway. She means not um it's still advisory, not >> that's all I mean. I don't mean that people who aren't >> Yeah. We're not We're not going to have a forum. We're going to have >> Yeah. >> Right. That's >> so we have to worry about a forum and you can have everyone here, >> right? Just for advice, >> right? For advisory. Yeah. That's >> Yeah. Still has to go through the full board for for >> And I think having the the two meetings with again two different it allows you to kind of craft an agenda that generally fits that
062one hour slot. And it allows it also allows someone who might only you know might be coming in for the second set of topics to show up at seven and be there. So I would like the suggestion for the non voting but keep a chair of committee assignments like I think we're all relative same page there I guess you know so uh ready for a recommendation for first reading or would you also like to see this one kind of really flushed out? This is a little repet but that's >> might as well just flush it out. Yeah. >> Do we want to when we flush it out you know just because of the way the school year goes that is a little different than we wanted to to start with reorg start. >> Okay. So
063yeah, so we'll bring it back as a full polished administration's recommendation based on keepable policies to the committee next month. I think we're out of time. Yeah. Motion to return this meeting. >> A second. Second. All in favor say I. I. Mr. Salesbury, can you hear me? Okay, Mr. Salesbury, can you hear us? Okay. >> Okay. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm going to change the microphone here real quick. The uh You know what? It just got disconnected. That's why >> I can hear you. If it doesn't work, >> I can hear you. >> TV. >> We at least have mic up top. There we go. Hi. Can you hear us? Okay. >> Yes, I can. >> Very good. We had some uh in room technical
064difficulties, so I think >> Okay, okay, now think we should be good. Okay. Well, after some technical difficulties with equipment, I'd like to call the facilities and extracurricular committee with new order director over at Brandy Wine. He approached me about the possibility of terminating the girls volleyball co-op uh coming up. It was looking to have it done more sooner rather than later originally going into next season. After looking at the process of the PIAA, what's involved in forming co-ops and terminating co-ops, essentially the PIAA works on the two-year enrollment schedule, and that's how they set their class, their uh competition classifications, single A, DA, AAA, and 4A for volleyball. So, that's done by October 1st of every odd number year. So October 1, 2025 is when new co-ops would need to be determined or applied
065for and terminations of co-ops would also need to be uh requested as well. the PIAA they can terminate co-ops at any time but if it changes your classification during the cycle which this would because with Brandy Wine and Ktown combined Brandy Wine which is the host they compete at the 3A level in district and state playoffs. So separated Brandy Wine would surely go down to 2A and then we would be a new team coming in. They can terminate it, but with two rules in place if you do it after the deadline, which we clearly passed, Brandy Wine can eliminate the co-op, but they would have to remain in a 3A level with a smaller team and just with their opponent or they could elect to not participate in district and state postseason. So, after looking
066at all this and for planning purposes as well, um we're potentially looking at terminating the co-op at the net start of the next two-year cycle, which it would be October 2027, and that would be for the fall of 28, would be the first season. So, essentially, we'd be looking to add a gross volleyball program. And so the rale why they're requesting this at this time is just that the numbers are pretty strong and the you know for lack of a better way to put it um they want to increase the opportunity for their girls to play. We have enough we have I mean you have the numbers in front of you but we've had enough girls to field the team I guess the last two years at least. The threat to us is what happens.
067You know, there's a cost. Obviously, anytime you have to teach your own team, there's a cost. But the threat to us is what about years where we just dip below that number. That's that's the challenge for us, right? And there is some uh interest from Brandy Wine in keeping a co-op alive at the middle school level, but the numbers are a little bit lower there because you're only pulling from seventh and eighth graders. Apparently, this past fall, there were 20 total girls on the team. 11 of those were from Kutztown. So, our seventh and eighth graders. And then at the high school level, uh they had a 35 year old roster. Uh 14 14 of those cuts down. So, we have only one senior graduating this year. Three eighth graders moving up. So, we have
068eight seventh graders currently in a program. So, seventh grade classes is it's pretty decent size class, but and so we do have the numbers to be able to team on its own. It's best interest to stay with Paul for two more years. >> I think uh I think it's in Yeah, I think for both schools because um if we would permanate now uh Brandy W would certainly be at a very competitive disadvantage staying in the 3A um level. So uh for the next two years and then that gives us time to budget for it, plan for it accordingly. Um but coach is you know this time of the school year we're in April to get a program started just a couple of months from now um possible but challenging teams too they get enough playing
069time I guess with those large numbers >> how they how they determine their playing time I mean I mean it's stuff is volleyball >> yeah six people on a court, >> right? So, >> I guess that's what I'm curious. >> Certainly would. I mean, increase opportunities for players at both schools. >> Yes. Historically, you're looking will we have double digit numbers? That's the question. As long as we have 10 girls, we have team. I mean, do we look like we can sustain that? I think looking at the past three years, it's it seems like we're been historically recently been able to do that. Could we look at trying to do some kind of like younger volleyball system to try to get interest in in the younger kids so that all of a sudden when they're
070at seventh grade, it's not like, oh, we have volleyball we didn't know about. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. So we uh so uh uh coach Grace, she's hired by Brandy Wine uh but she does a lot with our Christown kids here. She's been running some weight room sessions. So she is uh she is one that's already running some spring workouts for for cuts down girls here on campus weight room and she's already set up some open gyms um already. And she's she's hired as a Brandy Wine coach, but it's hard for hard girls to get over there for any open gyms. So, she's been coming over and doing workouts and open gyms. But, uh, our girls are already in spring. We certainly have do have a coach that's very kind of tied into
071it and looking more like a youth program, >> but like a youth program, you know, they get some of the younger. >> Yeah. >> You know, the the kids in sixth grade especially because that, you know, you said it starts in seventh grade, >> right? So if we get him interested in fifth and sixth grade, hey, we have this program here, you know, would you be because I know there are some out outside programs, not within the school, but right >> that train, you know, younger girls and boys volleyball. So >> yeah, that is certainly something that was definitely the table to get that done and reach out to >> believe volleyball programs. >> They have this the Surge volleyball club is right there at the old Burough or at the Burough building right there
072on Arch Street. So, they operate out of there. There's one down off of the Price Town Road, too, that does the volleyball, but I think it was one of the Brandy Wine coaches was running an outside program >> specifically down there. was like a gym or something down near there and he was running it out. I don't know if he I don't even know if he stole the program. That was about five years ago. >> Yeah. >> But, you know, just try to get the interest there so that we keep the numbers and we're not struck now all of a sudden, oh, we can't feel the team this year, right? And then that knocks us out for two years then, doesn't it? If we can't feel the team. >> Yeah. And this Looking at what
073our boys volleyball program has been doing the traditional that have been around there's been years with that nine on a team. It's it's it's not desirable but you have six on the floor that's essentially all you need. But looking at historically again our numbers we've over the past three four years our numbers for the girls going over to Brandy Wine has been higher for that house here. >> You said how many seventh graders? >> Eight seventh graders two years from now. >> Yeah. >> And you know with uh we're planning on opening up our fall sports registration less than two months already. You know we'll be in June. So by I would say by by the 4th of July, we'll have a pretty good idea of who these this next group of seventh grade volleyball
074players are going to be and who what group of girls is going to be returning for the co-op over at Brandy. So we'll have another year of that seventh grade to see what current interest there is. Right now we have just like a ballpark idea on cost for what it would be. So put some of these numbers together. So we're looking at a similar breakdown of what we have with the normal high school and middle school uh athletic program with the both both the high school middle school tied in with two coaches at the high school level. Two coaches at the middle school level. New uniforms for both programs factor in transportation for both officials cost game help. and then around $1,500 per year uh annual supply budget. Uh you're looking on an annual basis
075around just under $29,000. >> And what is it now? Like what's the budget now? What having >> uh you want to absorb about all the cost? Yeah, from a cost standpoint, you know, it's unfortunate, but if we can both sustain programs and provide opportunities for our girls compete just like gives us two years to play two years. >> Yeah. I mean, if right now they have what you say 35 for the high school team. >> Yeah. This past fall there's 35. >> 14 of them are ours, right? You know, that's a lot of kids just sitting around and not getting advantage and if it can benefit our kids more by splitting >> race must be done an excellent job keeping pretty fine kids. >> Yes. >> Yeah. She's done both middle school and high school.
076>> But for for the workout, she's right with the high school and middle school kids there. So I guess the the motion would be for the creation of a girls team for because the the co-op do I didn't look at the language of the co-op. Do we have to like end it or is it just we would just submit a letter requesting a termination. Yeah. Um by October 1st, 2027. And then um and as far as the uh BCIA is concerned, um at that same point, we know we're going to have a program, we're going to officially applya for it, it's just a matter of there's no grace period or anything. We don't have to do JV for two years or anything like that. It's immediately they just put us right into the the league
077schedule for the 28 29 cycle. board action action a couple years since >> we don't really need >> thanks for the interact have a program a couple years from now and then sitting here at that point that final decision >> but yeah so I guess just work with Randy to plan that direction >> okay >> thank you thank you And that's it for extracurriculars. So now we're going to facilities. And first is the Cougar Courtyard update. Dr. Myers has a renderings and quotes on that. We can bring that look at it as we discuss it. We started getting this these together back in >> 22. Yeah. Yes. 22. So some of the numbers that we had originally the goals were based on some of those numbers. Um right now so everything in there that's a
078a piece of equipment was chosen by the team at electric. Mrs. barns did. They went through a lot of effort to figure out what pieces of equipment they wanted for each of you skill set and what they're trying. It's pictured there. And the idea was that is that we would go with a turkey. So we would have to worry about mulling beard have to worry about any of that. And underneath that would be that same uh rubber crump. So you have your impact taken care of. Uh we evaluated that versus having board in place foam and guy was not recommending having that port in place foam with astro turf. So kind of looked at this as a do the entire area in astro. So the latest quote that we just received from uh Burke Burke
079is the equipment company and recreational resource is the distributor for that product and we did look at quite a few different vendors you know through all this stuff. So, uh, we're all co-stars or papa or KPN as far as for, you know, pricing, but, uh, $115,963 and that is not it's further on on that, but uh, and that there's still the asterric of once we purchase it, the shipping cost could be could go up further than that. Now again that's gone from originally several years ago in the 80s to you know to the 90s and now we're at 115. So every year that we delay it just you know the price keeps continuously increases as well does the turf quote. So the big challenge of the turf quo is that to remove all the top
080soil inside that enclosed courtyard and then bring in your stone base and then on your rubber crumb. The rubber crumb may be able to be blown over top with like a mulch blower, but still to remove any of that, we looked at a couple options. you know, a crane is just seemed really cost prohibited about, you know, doing that. And this is why a lot of companies did not want to quote this job at all. Uh the vendor we've been speaking with quite a bit is Cor landscapes who does a lot of this stuff for us. Uh unfortunately, still we need to we will need to go out for bid because he was not a co-star vendor. So we're going to work on getting that that will be need to be posted for three three
081weeks in three different papers. And by the way, that costs quite a bit of money. In fact, this is probably I think the last time we did that was for the art room and that's I'm not going to say which is $1,000 to have in that. So what we're looking to do the Ed Foundation has raised just about $100,000 and and feels confident that they're going to be really really close to the target of 140. So um there is you know in any fundraising there's there's definitely additional momentum that comes with the plan once the project is starting to come to fruition. Um again that was the original target and and they feel confident they can get really close to that really soon. Um I do believe because of increasing cost and time that to
082get a project done this summer which would be ideal of course sooner rather than later would have to plan or commit to spending some money towards that you know which would be on the side of most of the you know it's going to be the installation of the turf etc. Um we can use construction funds for that which we have our construction you know we have roughly 10 million construction funds. I think if we look to committing to finishing that project with the donations from the ed foundation say something like up to 50,000 I think then we have numbers to work with and we can start that's kind of following along with what we've talked you know there's been a lot of work from the foundation to get us to this point and both projects
083going on at the same time you know where the auditorium is in progress and um I think they will even have a little bit extra momentum once we say committed. So at this point that would be my recommendation, you know, the fantastic upgrade for some of our students who needed the most at KES and it is primarily community funded. So we don't have those numbers yet, you know, but in that range I think is where we're going to be between their final numbers as we approach the summer and what the cost is going to be that comes in from these quotes. So that's going to be my recommendation. I don't know that there's a commitment of that right now. I think if the you know committee feels strong that can go back to the foundation
084say yes to you know we feel we know we have to we're going to have to supplement this some um just continue getting quotes and get it done the summer and I guess what I'm looking for is you know go out to bid for the project this summer for the turf and the excavation of this. So the equipment will get installed later then or after the turf install is installed. >> No, the turf gets installed in this. Okay. So the equipment gets installed but is it saying they really primarily raise the edation their goal is to raise for the entire thing but they want to put that money towards the equipment. So the purchasing equipment would be you know that we bid to get it done but I don't know what here's a normal job
085once again to money is get it done and I think Christian said reasonably they won't give crazy money >> yeah and and no reason to believe the cost will continue to go up. >> The other side of it is >> Yeah. I mean, it's gone up quite a bit from when we first started talking about this a couple years ago, and it's going to be a great benefit to the kids that actually need this. Uh >> yeah, and you have, you know, it's the dollar figures are small, but we have teachers have, you know, it was $3,000, but they sought back, but there's there's a lot of energy and momentum behind it to see what those kids Yeah, I don't think there's an actual I mean I don't think there's something to put on the
086agenda next week, but just as long as we have sort of that support general committee, right? We just got to get to close and just get another meeting. So that would be hope for May. Yeah, Mrs. and I were already speaking about it to bring you here. Make sure that we'll work on that and get that going as soon as possible. We have a contingency. If we don't get anybody to bid on that thing, I guarantee somebody's going to bid on it. It's just we won't have, you know, just like in the case of the artwork, we only had one person bid on it because it was such specialized. It's just the formality that we have to go through because of the numbers that we're at. We actively reach out to companies too. >> Yes,
087absolutely. have to meet the big credits here. But yeah, something we look at doing that as well. >> I was surprised when we did the art room. I was surprised how many companies reached out to us. They're still the people that are searching for that advertising. >> Yep. We'll do that. All right. And then uh next is additional middle school parking. So as we know that we took over or had the BCIU come in with the buses and that took a large chunk of space or park. Um, and on a day that we have, you know, full uh I think teachers and guests and we actually allowed a couple people to start parking down in the in the grass down below. We feel that u that just will give us a little bit more ease.
088uh we get about nine spots down around the back up against the building where they're currently parking just that. So, uh when I got quotes for that does come in the threshold that we can just ask for quotes. We don't need to go out for a bid process. And full paving came in at $15,95. Uh we did have Delaware Valley come in. They were over 20,000 and then SNG uh did not give us a quote for that. So again, we're trying to get on their list. Again, this is also asphalt. So depending on when we do it, there's a little bit probably that, you know, may increase depending on what the rate is of asphalt at the time when we actually pull the trigger. But I want to get on the schedule is really what
089>> did anybody look again? um the picking company. >> The last time I had Young, they never they spoke to them and they never sent me anything back. I know they're in the district. >> Yeah. And they never said for I think I spoke to a receptionist or SMG came and that's right down here. They did for seal coating, but they did not get for this paper. I resent it to make sure that he has >> Yeah. I mean, it's a small project, but it adds it's now a parking lot back there. You know, can we can we survive it with it as a bud? Just you know, it become a mess over time. So, it's the right way. >> It gets heavily used by the teachers that share the buildings. Yeah. So they can
090go right there. So uh Dustin Church uses it. Uh trying to pick the other half. Yeah. Yeah. People are building both spots that are in that lower level. >> So does uh you know that a little bit to look at that >> and we'll be taking that out of the construction since it's not. >> Um I mean we we can capital SV. Yeah. capital expense structure would >> Yeah, that's a capital expense. Yes, >> I don't see any victories not to do it. If anybody else is any other I mean it's it's a mud mud hole right now. It's only going to get worse. So, favor. I guess this to the full board and uh various projects. >> Those are just a couple things that we've had kind of on the background. Uh obviously this
091this past putting that language on put >> we always have a lot of different things going. It's just again uh this year the extreme temperatures has caused a lot of uh heaving in a lot of different areas. And one of the things that uh we wanted to look at and just revisit was the crack bill seal coat and striping throughout the district. And uh as we were going through that that were actually going through again Martelli who's uh in Delal and SMG given us quotes uh each vendor was depending on which aspect of that because we asked for seal coat and striping as well came in that if we would do everything from a seal coat standpoint between Martelli and Delval, we would think we were a thou just the just $1,000 difference. Difference is
092Delval is a co-stars. So we wouldn't have to go out bid on that where Martelli is not. So technically if we wanted to use Martelli, we would have to go back out to bid for that. uh SNG was only low on striping for one bill. So I wanted to again just kind of bring that up. Uh I know earlier on somebody from another paving company said that I know you're I'm going to sound crazy, but you should seal coat right after you put your new asphalt down just to protect it, you know. Uh but we did see a lot especially in the high school lot here. We did see a lot of fracking which was not here before and just trying to be proactive. I'm not an expert on that but uh you know going
093off level up and Beth Beth and I were talking about that that this would have to be after this budgetary year unless we had some surplus. So it's just something that we have on there and we'll look at where we are standing. Um, also I really didn't want to do anything at Ktown Elementary, even though we got pricing on that. If there's any, you know, what the next phase is of construction or addition or change, it should at the very least be doing an HVAC project over next summer. Also aware on 2021 we did pave the entire high school and we paid pretty much. The other two buildings we see co high school has a lot of alley sound middle school I think is in decent shade and we didn't see a lot of movement
094over the winter at that building on top of the hill lower uh when I said also striping uh turf tank does have a a option for us to use that for doing parking lots. We're going to demo that next week. It's a uh $2,500 a year option to use it. And then we were budgeting $2,000 of paint so we could do the striping of all the lots for, you know, $4,500 where the lowest person who came in on striping was over 12,000. So, >> we want we still want to test it out. You know, I'm of course a little hesitant there. They're a little bit more confident with parking lot stalls versus a track. But, uh, so we'll see that next week. We do the senior parking spot, we get them to strike the high
095school parking lot, too. don't know all the aspects other than all the detail but sure it's an extra package away. Yeah, I mean I think we counted in the district we have 706 stalls and then of course adding hash marks, arrows, crosswalks and all that. I said roughly 10 to $2,000 in their payment that has to be bought through through just that's kind of just a FYI, you know, we're in the works on that. things that you wanted to have us look at. Next thing we were looking at is for some reason during the I guess it was 2015 renovation of this building the industrial arts area boys bathroom was not renovated. Um, so that is the the only bathroom that was not renovated. Uh, still old tile on it. Uh, where the girls' room
096next to it was redone. Very nice. Um, we kind of went in there and the cost of to do, you know, tile and everything and it would probably put us into another uh aspect of being we renovated it have to go to an age regulations and use that as a multiple person bathroom versus uh what we have now which has a stall multiple mural. Uh, this is a miracle method. Something I saw at a trade show been able to go directly over tile and floor floor tile and wall tile. And that was roughly uh $6,844 something like that. So again, it's just another thing that doesn't need it, but it kind of bring everything else up. some on our short list, but you probably can't think of that restroom back there off the top of
097your head. If you're ever in that back area or just take a look, knock on the door and take a look at it. It looks if you grew up and your parents had a your grandparents had a bathroom in the basement, that's what it looks like. It's open space that you're terrified of until you're like, >> so it was just something again that looking at uh it might be again as Mr. excitement when I look at the budget as it comes. It' be a nice upgrade. Um think about single stalls. Well, it's just having, you know, it's the the more flexibility you have with restaurants. Good thing, you know, that's just a general rule, you know, the more that the where we have our larger kind of gang bathrooms, you know, throughout just the few
098extras that we have that are that have flexible. So again, this is another FYI unless we wanted to push that right away. Uh but no, we can't to come out of the uh capital for this building. >> Yeah, just get some information >> because I guarantee that's going to have to go ADA. So no, not with this. >> So you're just covering this is like a paint job. >> That's what I say. The next phase is it would have to go to the number $6,844 going to do something to bring it into the modern century. >> That's probably where to go. Yeah, there's also another we'll talk about it later, but verb stone. It's resin that's with stone. They can actually put down on top of any type of existing floor system. >> Yeah, there's
099a couple I said both this and uh Delaware Valley and again when I went to trade show down there some of his products that Okay. Absolutely. Next would be Doug. Dr. Myers, you have that >> kind of just put something quick as I started getting reaching out to some different vendors that pop up with some pricing. So, these these are from Beacon Athletics, who's one of our suppliers. that we do when we look at that's that's deceiving. That shows what it can be. The >> 12,00 $12,000 is the roof and the six posts that hold it up. >> Uh, you know, the concrete floor is uh, you know, more money. This the fence, you know, the benches as well. So, so that's and also that is a 30 30 8 by 30 foot. Go to
100the next slide, please. And there's the 40 foot, which they're asking for a 30 and a 40 foot dugout. And the reason why they want the 40 foot dugout is so they can put a 10 foot storage in one of that. You know, take that 10 foot. If you go to the next picture as well, I believe that That shows the there's where you show you know a storage where that would be on that 40 foot. They take that and that's an additional you know that's additional go to the next slide then >> that's that's the entire again that's not concrete on the floor either you know these are pre-made these are pre-made And it it just keeps going up. Take a look. Go ahead. Next to the next one. That's a 32 foot. So
101price did go down, but that was a 40. This is the next a different brand. Same thing. Block isn't included. All that. The bench is extra. So pretty much at $21,000. >> We look at like the shed company up here to see, >> you know, I mean, >> I think at that at that those prices there, you get a really nice shed build. I did call our uh the person who helped redo our uh greenhouse in the back uh urban uh did that I did not get a call from I just call a couple companies and as we see with these we just we just don't have the money to do all these projects you know and it is it's unfortunate because we want to boom and then you know so this is one side
102of it then we met just before spring break myself and Ed met sports up at the park just to look at that you know and we uh we should get back something back from the event this week, you know, but we we know this and all you do in your book is before you put any money into that field, there has to be, you know, engineers have to look at it. How are you redirecting the water? You know, it >> I have to say I'm guilty of never really being there when there's not when it's not full of players and fans, but when you're standing there, it's empty. >> It's Yeah. So, and that's going to be a really everybody wants to do the right thing, but we have complicated conversation between us, the bureau,
103AIA, everybody who uses it because it's a great facility, but it's washing away year by year and before any of us put money into it. I think unfortunately those price by the time we start getting on that one of the vendors that I spoke with Schl who did did the stadium I spoke to them and they actually and I don't have a picture they did effort they feel that effort is probably one of the best softball dugouts in the state I think those were 150 for that uh it's pre-cast set on place. So I mean there's just the price of a bench you know which a bench without a back rest. So I mean this is well I mean we went through this when when we did the uh basketball court we had that and
104they asked well where's where's bench to sit on? Well, you know, we have that. >> Part of the reason we're at this point of discussion though is because I don't mind. So, >> sure. >> Yeah. Facilities for the boys and we don't look at the girls. So, the other the other thing that complicates uh that where the existing back stop is is really to fit it between that and Coffee Lane. There's going to be some real challenges there because not only there's a drop off, but there's trees really have the amount of space and I doubt we're going to be able to, you know, uh get out a setback that really we should should have visitor side. So that might be complicated that we have to slide we have plenty of room to slide it,
105but it would be moving defense, you know, everything. It's a little bit more involved and uh as Christian pointed out the the park is even more involved because we have multiple people looking at it and multiple people's ideas. Yeah. And it costs and the burough already spent some money without to me they they kind of shortcut put new fence in there without doing any other site work. So short fix. So those are both challenges that we're we're working on. Have to look at some some other options, but I wanted to show you where we're at. definitive items, but show it just gives us glance into the future a little bit. What we got to do that's everything I think for a motion to adjourn. So