March 10, 2025 KASD School Board Committee Meetings

001e I think we're ready to begin the policy and curriculum meeting for uh March 10th we have four items under curriculum and then we have item for policy review and then we have have several policies to consider for revision to start off we have the uh School counseling 339 plan CH one go ahead I can start yeah this the council 339 plan um guides um what we do from a counseling standpoint um related to Career awareness career Readiness through exploration I think this is maybe year five or six of the 339 plan let go back and check about 2018 or 17 that it started okay um so this is the next iteration for us is new and this is something that's always developing um where students will have career awareness activities all the way from

002kindergarten through 12th grade and obviously their their age appropriate and change significantly as they work towards graduation so our comprehensive plan which we approved right about this time last year every T that is on a similar cycle the school counseling plan follows that same cycle but one year behind it so the idea is as you're developing a new vision and Mission those would then be actualized and implemented into that next School counseling plan our timing has just been a little kind of wonky for lack of a better word coming out of the covid comprehensive plan and into this next plan and so since this last plan started in 2022 every time our counselors are together they are looking at the plan they're making Visions they're making updates to it so this submission is not yet

003representative of all the kutam built pieces over the course of the next four years we will be building all of those things into this plan so that the next plan will truly see all of those components because right now if you were to ask our counselors we're just starting to bring it to life not necessarily in a place where we're ready to articulate how all of it looks in the kada 12 domain however there's some tools as part of this that will absolutely help us as we build that especially with the state's emphasis on College and Career Readiness and one of the documents I'll share tonight which is our Continuum of College and Career ready skills yeah just for example I mean just one piece that clearly will develop um related to college and Care

004Readiness um is the senior seminar class that is that was approved as a part of the new graduation requirements and um that class is a reminder senior seminar future paths we're looking at four components to it including establishing and pursuing goals where students will develop their own measurable goals aligned with their chosen postsecondary path and um then work towards um articula or achieving those goals throughout the course there will be a collaborative project component um where they'll working teams on a meaningful project with defined role incorporating industry Community Connection to gain hands-on experience working with others and specifically adults in the community they'll conduct some re research on their intended college major career field and altern alternative postsecondary options and then what we are calling developing a life business model which is really a financial

005literacy piece right there during that senior year so our next steps with that um over the next couple weeks um we have an idea of some of those inaugural teachers that'll be teaching that course we'll get them together with a few um bu folks from the business Community to help us develop the course that's just one clear example that will change you know from this plan is when we see the fully articulated course next year and because there are Pennsylvania developed college and Care Readiness stand standards there are standards that we can tie directly to that course and even though the standards technically end at 11th grade this is a group of students who we know may need some additional support in reaching success with achievement of those standards and so there were some very

006specific standards we were able to tie to it and I'll share the standards document in just a moment Dr Myers if you could go to the next step so the way this plan is submitted to pte is not one big 40s something page plan it's just little bits and pieces and so one of the pieces that does get included is the mission and vision um which you see on the screen and you had um we shared this with you on Friday so that you could take a look at the whole document um and it's linked on the agenda as well so that's just a reiteration of the district's um m mission and vision and how it kind of take hold takes hold with the counseling department go ahead Dr Myers so um I went back

007to the PD source to look at the role of the counselor just to kind of get that update of what the role of the counselor has become when we think back to the school counselor of our elementary and middle school days it looks very very different for counselors now um and so these are kind of the three big buckets that they function under according to the state definitions um academic career ready skills and then career planning and then some bullet points within that of some of the more finite pieces that they do our counselors as part of the plan in the first iteration developed a very extensive um job description that helps to encapsulate all of the things that they do as well so the next thing you see I just wanted to share because

008I didn't know if there was familiarity that there are such standards and there's one set um over by you Mr cck and one by you Mr Wismer um to take a look at and then just kind of pass um sorry they both ended on that landed on that end and the next document which you do have in front of you um and can share is the College and Career ready skills Contin so these two documents lay out the standards that are expected to be met by students as they prepare for College and Career Readiness under those four domains of awareness acquisition retention and Entrepreneurship and then the college ready skills or career ready skills are the kind of soft skills the things that we've talked about a lot in terms of the cown built plan

009and that Continuum really helps to flush out what does that look like in ele in that Elementary grade band versus what does it look like at that Upper Grade band this is a very close U parallel in many ways to what we will build out in our cown built plan um but it's nice that such a thing is already in place for our teachers and our counselors to work from in terms of the development of curriculum for um as part of this plan go ahead Dr Myers so and you can see the the fre buckets on that Continuum hit on self-awareness and self-management establish Ing and maintaining relationships and social and problem solving skills and when we think about life in the workplace we know the essential nature of those things and if we think

010back to our Workforce panel right around this time last year those were the very things that we were hearing from the workforce panel in terms of the absolute skills that they're seeing as needs for our students to have so in our specific plan for 2026 through 2030 these are some of the highlighted components that we include um there is a K12 curriculum one of the goals that I have in continuing to work on this curriculum area is really tying what the counselors are doing in terms of those four career areas like entrepreneurship for instance into things that are happening in the classroom so for instance in third grade our students at KES do Market Day where they are creating a product and they're marketing it and then they are they're actually making it and then

011they are selling it in a forum where they have an opportunity to do that that hits a almost every entrepreneurship standard for that grade level I don't the counselor might not need to go and do a separate lesson on entrepreneurship because of that hands-on experience that students are having so one of the goals I have in that curriculum piece is to really bring those together and make sure that things we're doing in the classroom are also articulated in the curriculum for our College and Career Readiness because there's definitely some really great over them um our counselors let me just stick on that one for one second Dr mys um the other components of the plan that are important include the consult a that our counselors do not necessarily to to solve everything themselves but they

012are the connectors they are the ones that are bringing students together with the people who can help them gain more expertise about a career area or a college situation um they then develop the educational career plan with students to help them in that preparation they are resource providers for all of the career information and when you think about college visits at the high school or Career Fairs or college fairs that we're sending students to those all would fall into that large multi-page document matter um career placement Services um always helping students find their transition from high school to their next steps again stakeholder involvement is the kind of thing that we were doing last spring with our stakeholder and Workforce group and then follow-up studies to determine the effectiveness of the program to help students

013find their path um and that follow-up piece is something that we do and is something we're always looking to grow to have more robust information for from our graduates about their preparedness um for what they did next um and then oh we got the wrong one uh there is one additional slide um we switched presentation by accident with a big thank you to our five counselors across our buildings um Miss stiger wal at GES and M Smith at KES and Miss White at the middle school and Mr Brett and Mr call Smith at the high school and of course m c Sho marer in there helping out what they do um so I wanted to make sure that they got props for all of the hard work because it is a unique role in a

014building they do not have a regular and normal schedule like a teacher does there is very little normal and regular that happens in most of their days because as a counselor you just don't know what's going to happen when you show up to work some dayss so we give a big thanks to all that they do and this plan is a I think a big um Testament to the amount of work that they do and the ways that they prepare students so it's exciting to have a chance to share the plan keep acting on your thank yous I do you know we we'll talk about this in forend for next meeting but it's just too appropriate so the on Friday just you know congratulations and thank you to uh Mrs Herring e8th grade teacher and

015Miss White running a fantastic career day at the middle school um you know it was uh 52 presenters came to the building to offer their insights into their own careers and and careers in general um our students were incredible as they always are what was so we also had the keynote speaker of Mr J sidu from customers Bank who tells his inspiring story and is so dedicated to speaking with meeting inspiring students and he loves to come to kown because our kids are great uh to work with um it was just a great day you know and watching it happen and unfold and the lessons they learned was really were was incredible but at the end of the day the thing that like left the best impression is how excited the adults were to beat

016them you know we really had you know it was I don't I didn't count heads exactly but more than half of the presenters were alumni and probably was closer to three quarters were alumni you know and then sprinkling a quite a few parents who may not have been alumni you know and most people were already invested in our community and then you know donated their time to come in and work for kids and they had bit agre time so and it led me to check and make sure that the CER was listed in our document and it wasn't because I learned that we often only do it every two to three years and so they hadn't put it on the document I included it because it was such a valuable event for kids and that

017they will have that sometime in their middle school career means that every student has that experience and you can't pull that off and usually just see your year planning for that over multiple years so yeah they did a great job with that you looked into doing that at the high school level uh not exactly that way but you know but it's definitely a good you know something to consider um with teachers do it more individually they might pull in somebody related to a career that is tied to what they're teaching in that moment what I liked about it Autumn came home and she was really excited about it because you know she got to pick three things that she was really interested in and they spent a lot of time in it yeah so I

018think that's very valuable whereas if you just have the teacher bring one person and they're usually there for like five minutes and you can't really dig in dig in sure no that's great Fe that yeah and it also was you know so you picked three most students to get their three but because of the way this scheding went and I think it's because benefited the presenters they most were paired with somebody else so you so you you were able to you know and they were um they tried to Aline them as close as possible but you you know then you listen to six people tell their story and we we really did focus on I think most focused on you know the the um it's okay to not know you know of course now and

019even into high school and people share their winding paths but you know the universal skills that have allowed them to be successful in ch fields or adoptive Fields I guess you know some of you know wasn't a chosen field it's something that they found themselves doing and learned how to be successful and really Lear good all those activities I think are extremely valuable because when you have people from the community that they can actually ask questions to um do do we have any programs that we utilize where there's like uh like Zoom setups where you can connect with parties like that um again they happen on a you know kind of a there are often times where maybe a social studies class will then zoom in with more individual Skype a scientist thing I know

020that was Mr Ashman has done a lot of that with um New Journey students at the middle school over the years um so yeah we've used those programs but it's not necessarily something that's on a regular rotation yeah and those are having students interact with people who are in the community is I think it's far superior than those programs too yeah that's great any other questions or comments on was discussed so that will request a vote for next Monday because that means that requires official approval for us to be able to submit it by the end of the month perfect great well with that uh got I get a motion for moving to the full board for approval all in favor say I I any oppos okay so that one will move to the full

021board that brings us to class of 2026 for requests Dr Mars I just sent you a PDF just to uh so you know as we discussed the updates graduation requirements you know um in a variety of ways over the course of the last several months you know some of the question came to you know we were looking at the most almost all students would take four core subjects in 9 through 11 still but then looking at more flexibility into 12th grade and you know there was definitely some anxiety about how that would break down so I wanted to share the initial results now just let me be clear these are requests um some will change between now and schedule but requests you know is the is the best data that we have thus far so

022i' like to thank Mrs Brown at the high school for compiling this data for us so when you look at that top chart that is core course request so it's giving you the number of students and then the percentage of the class of 2026 from that number you can look you know we are um uh the you know you can look it's really close to 100 Bly when 86 equals 85.1% um you know 86 uh 85% taking a language arts course uh 89% taking a social studies course 81% a math course and 82 a science course you know then students requesting all four cores despite not being required to sits at 58% then what becomes even more interesting data to me is creating that flexibility and opportunity for students so that bottom chart is core

023request numbers you know so you can follow four plus two are the percentage of students that took all four requested all four core and then two additional like extra cor so maybe you know they took one of each of language arts social studies math and science and maybe took another social studies course and another science course just say hypothetically so that's what the four plus two means you know so there you have 12% you have four plus one they're using that flexibility you know is 16% um only four because that four the four number up there goes into all three four numbers and the second on the you know to the second chart is at 20 28.7% and then you start to see some of those 3 plus tws and 3+ 1es you know even

024the threes are at 16% um there wasn't any two plus tws one two plus one you I think in a number that kind of distills that a little bit better is that we had 17 students or 16.8% who chose to take two which was kind of the minimum requirement there so um you know what we all hypothesized about percentages and kind of numbers pretty excited about where it turned out where you can see clearly that a small percentage of students and I you know without looking into exactly who they are it makes the most sense for them um that uh 177% chose sort of the minimal path and then everything from there is about choice and you see you know we have more than a quarter of the senior class that are Chas choosing to

025take four plus something else with the extra flexibility that they gain you know so I think that's exciting to see where where that land and um what greater details we'll continue to share kind of as this plays out when we when we start you know showing the specific courses but um I'm pretty excited about way it looks because as we felt not many students were going to you know take the minimal amount unless it was what was best for them you know and and I'm quite certain that a high perent we didn't break that down yet but a high portion of that those 17 students are probably also BCTC students there spend in their whole morning you know BCTC they're taking their two core and they're going working or doing much they might um I

026I'll share those numbers with the board when we pull them out probably over the next couple days but I think it's a pretty good you know pretty good initial showing from the class of 2026 so if I'm understanding this right that four plus two they're taking their English their math their science they and then they're taking another English and another math yes and they wouldn't have had that flexibility before it would have been really challenging for them like it's there's possibility that they could have but it would have been really challenging and now they are you know now I know one of those students is taking trying to take six AP courses whether that's advisable or not a whole separate conversation um I wouldn't you know I think there's some hesitation there but you know

027we aren't we're not in the business of stopping students from doing that so yeah it it created more opportunity where students wanted it um and again 17 students who all who most of whom I'm sure have very good reasons for taking the minimum so we'll see we'll share updated numbers when we have it but I think that's I think it's pretty exciting initial results and you know our families our kids our school has high expectations and you know where're when we create autonomy and choice within high expectations you know we're going to see pretty good results yeah no action and that's just sharing we you know we throughout that process both between leveling and graduation requirements you know we promised we'd share it's great thank you if I can go out of order the independent

028study options kind of flow along after the um Choice theme of the evening so there are two um just as a reminder it is in our policy that we will share what independent studies have been requested it is not necessarily a voting approval item but it is said that we will share those so the two that came up for second semester are one opportunity in art around advancing realism skills and painting very specific uh area of art study and the second one is um it was so complicated I hope that I captured it correctly here I'm calling it an independent research topic but the idea is to research the relationship between the banking industry and the economic development of the United States during the Gilded Age this is a very targeted study that is specific

029to some college application work and so this will be a concentrated research project and independent study with Miss Howard um to gain what the student needs to be able to apply to St John's and this is a student with a strong business and social studies background for sure is this aing senior so how do these these work they just do it on their own time at home and then there's collaboration with the teacher so the teacher kind of helps set forth the path before they even start so that that's all laid out in terms of how it's approved um that there's a plan there's assessments that it's tied to standards and content and then it is independent So the plan is set forth and the students are checking in with their teacher and then doing

030that work they get the credit and they determine that upfront so they're deciding that you know this is a half credit and they're meeting period three every other day um as an availability to when they can meet it doesn't necessarily they're meeting all the time during that part of the student St just out of curiosity where does this like fit into the the formula of the 3 plus two or 3 plus one good question because this wouldn't necessarily be represented in next year's senior selections but it doesn't mean that independent studies couldn't come up yeah I mean currently independent studies end up as an elective credit um you know unless they are very very close to the mind to one of the core credits are um and we might not until a student doesn't can't

031fit something or finds out there's an interest through you know a need for something Beyond high school so to answer the question more directly it would not show in that chart of four plus two four plus one it show about a to say I don't have to say that there would never be one approved that would be a core if it kind of goes off that but that's just been the history all right so that's it for independent study and then my last thing is just an informational kind of Slash request item um in May I'll be having our annual stakeholder meeting um where we kind of touch on and request stakeholder engagement with titles one through four professional development Act 48 kind of a large group of things that we can kind of all

032tie into one Collective meeting um with that stakeholder group so if you are interested in being a part of that conversation which is very much on the curriculum and PD side of things let me know or if you know someone who might be interested send them by way than you sure thank you any other questions on any of the curriculum items or any that we can move on to policy and the one policy we have for review is 2011 admission of students yes so admission of students um we do have a um piece of our policy that allows for early admission so what we're looking for right guidance feedback from committee um a student is not five years old by September 1st but is 5 years old by October 1st they can petition family can

033petition to come to come the kindergarten that point we do have a process in place to allow that to happen so they would petition us for early admissions and Tiffany Kinsey would do the process as far as the testing that's involved with that we have a panel that would review the results and make a recommendation as far as as far as whether or not that student will be allowed to attend at that age over the last few years we've had about 30% of applicants um accepted through that process the vast majority are not accepted I think historically that's since 2016 2017 is where the data went back yeah um and that that that's six total who qualified you know since um three of those were this year as compared so prior to this year there

034was three over that time you know so not a lot students end up you know being accepted early admittance um the question was raised from our elementary division is this something that still should be in the policy you know from hears from the standpoint of it we have one psychologist who has a very heavy workload you know and um this is extra um evaluations that they need to do this time of the year in the spring it's a it's not something required by Pennsylvania only it gives that one month buffer you know so the idea is when this was put into place obviously the idea is while you're really close to the cut off so are you ready we can doing the value valuation you know I had it this year honestly with one family

035where it was like their their birthday was October 4th it's like we're really close to the really close to the you know they're just it's arbitrary lines are really challenging to manage sometimes and this isn't arbitrary it's it's one month um there's not a high admission rate but yet all those go through a full evaluation it is it does add workload to our one psychologist that you know is is low per capita in terms of you know the FTE there um and there is given the uh you know if if asked for a is it beneficial for a student to start early in school versus is it not beneficial for the student it's rarely beneficial for these students it probably just hurt them of course because they are ready academically um it's beneficial for that

036for those small number of families obviously because you know they can come to school um this was that's how this came to us is from our elementary of just saying is is the we have no we have no expectation to do this there's no requirement to do it it only provides that one month of extra buffer and then we do the evaluations most don't get accepted should we really be doing this um you know and not to say that the burden on the school to evaluate is so significant um but a couple evaluations takes you know a lot of time for for psychologist so um we we decided we said to them we'd bring it to the to the committee to discuss you know as far as the policy it's it is it's the school's

037decision whether we want to do it impacts very very few students interested in thoughts considerations I'm curious you said that three of the six for this past year yeah so 50% since 2016 2017 correct so has the number increased or the number Quest yeah or has have the standards changed or no the standards haven't changed it's just just di there you know it's just one I think it's just an anomaly some people would try to you know when you when you think 2025 2020 anything that seems like an anomaly in that's five or six years you kind of hear what was that impact you know of of kids families being at home I mean it's very possible just parents were at home more right I mean that where we think in some families that probably

038wasn't a benefit for Summit absolutely was right if you were home with your youngest kid at the earliest ages that certainly would be an advantage for many um but we don't know that I I think this is just a statistical anomaly or we have to treat it that way because we don't we're never going to know if there was a direct impact of five years ago or six I don't have a particularly strong feeling on it I it does create an extra burden to our school psychologist to open a window for a small group of individuals who most of which we end up denying and you know it ends up being so it's testing there's there's um psychoeducational testing that is done with the student in terms of their ability to perform their ability to

039attend you know and um then there's a meeting with the family to review it it's kind of the process they can then petition it back to me you know but honestly I'm not going to go into school psychologist whether a four-year-old is ready for school not so has October 1st always been the yeah my questions are how much is this costing our district by natur we haven't put a number on it necessarily you know it's it's time like because we don't buy any additional tests but you know if you said it was you know if it's the better part of a day or a day's work for the school psychologist that could calculate that pry quickly I guess I mean it's um you know let's salaries and benefits it's probably say $1 th000 right but

040just I mean that you know that's we have three that we can trace back to 2016 and they're all doing great yeah my next question right was it beneficial for them to start early have they succeeded it hasn't hurt them I can say you know I guess we can't say whether it's beneficial to them because we would know be you know we would have no no control to it but it hasn't been detri for them I mean I think the standard is high enough that any student that is accepted is going to be okay right they're they're still they are at that point achieving well above their peers in kindergarten even though they are 30 days younger than some you know to six months young than others it's just it it doesn't hurt so kids

041I guess yeah I mean I guess my my feelings then are if they are at that level and they're why why ch I mean for the low number and if we force them to wait another year then they're almost wasting kindergarten if they're that far ahead yeah I think you know uh to that point I just would say we probably always have some kindergarteners who are equivalent in their ability level at that point in the classroom with them their parents just chose not to seek you know the or they were born on November 4th you know or I mean I'm sorry October that line you know because it's really just that short period of time um there I'm sorry just ask a question would there be an alternative of an outside evaluation if we didn't

042provide that evaluation like what are what would the Alternatives I'm just curious we would have pay somebody for that it would be a yeah us about how many on average how many apply per year we've had 20 applicants since 2016 17 so it's yeah it is it is on average yep so as far as the evaluation goes it sounds like this is a we're utilizing like existing third party eils but it's not something that the state says this is the evaluation for this process we're no we're us yeah we're using um you know Norm reference uh assessments that we would that yeah they're they're used it's it's a school psychologist tool that we already purchasing we're using that is an accepted ER univers I think my where I'm headed with the question is um is

043would it be because I agree that it would if it's something that's beneficial then I like the idea however kindergart it your social skills are very important so if a kid is coming in I mean and if it's limited as far as what we see but you know um the social the academics are there and the social skills are not is that also something yes social skills actually play a larger Factor because I mean that that really is if you can attend and get along with others you know kindergarten yeah and then if there is room for the evaluation process if the time is the concern is there any is there a way to make it tiered where it's easier to weed out students at the beginning rather than moving through the whole entire process

044without you know understanding we could ask psychologist that you know I think she currently feels and don't will speak for her but I feel confident working with her she feels that she owes that parent at that point a full comprehensive evaluation just to say because they you know there's a selection bias to the parents who are already believing that their child is ready you know and they're going to believe it initially whether you tell that or not that's just inherent in that you know so she likes to go over the full comprehensive kind of value you should know ask out um you know we could sense them I'm sensing enough hesitation for change I think that maybe the committee is not interested in changeing that I said that's fine we just thought we' bring it

045and if I'm wrong yeah it's fine I just the kids are the argument goes both ways right like that well it's just a one month buffer what about the kid it's a week later and the other one is well they're it's only sometimes a day a week weeks difference in age we've already created this arbitrary time um yeah I mean I don't have strong feelings either way so there's other people who one thing just to say is you know what I told them is even if the board made this decision tonight to recommend to the full board and the full board then would approve it and get a second we would start it with the kindergarten class of 2026 27 because you do have families that are already planning that way and looking to get

046that we wouldn't start it at 8 immediately because that's not fair ucation I don't think if somebody researched our policy that knows that timeline we would never want to pull that opportunity out from under those September babies you know I mean I like the idea of reducing excessive burden the folks who are doing work um and me either way it is such an arbitrary date so I kind of feel like you know if that delay implementation so that there's time to adjust to the change and then the bait is what the bait is and then you know without a lot of pain or effort how just set one standard and right and remove that B that that argument as well yeah again I'm kind of that same place I could agree with either way and

047that's you know that if I'm I'm not going to come and pretend like I strongly feel one way if I'm kind either argument is fine I just it is you know we see um you know class sizes in kindergarten you know um couple extra kids here can make it a little bit larger of a class size in kindergarten there's some advantage to just you know holding that um but it's it's two kids a year at Max you know so typically do we know like um cyber Charters who I'm assuming we consider to be our biggest competition so like a Cyber Charter SCH are they going to have a more lenient flexible I suspect they do I don't suspect you know but I think the most advantages of fam I don't believe that many families that

048are looking to start their child early and kindergarten are leaning towards a Cyber Charter School for a variety of reasons one they're still in the home all day you know um and and also you know I just I I believe they would find our education to be more valuable than deci which Charter if they're looking for that they probably looking to circle of seasons correct correct that's probably a better comparison that's what I'm looking at see what there okay that's probably better so I'm a little confused what are we being asked to do do we stop having early admission at all or we're yeah our our question is because we could get into the details of what the evaluation is but you know the real what we were coming with was do we have early

049admission for that one month or do we not have it so is it you know September cut off or October cut off early admission I'm not a big fan of herly admissions I think that kids might be ready um educationally if you've been going to preschool but that social thing like I think you know you're you're hurting your kid by having them be the youngest kid in their class and Studies have shown that older kids succeed better in the older kid in the class seats better because it just so I'm not a big fan of early admissions period so I would be more in favor of just keeping it at September 1 if we're gonna like that would be the B right this off you hit it as far as the two pieces the more

050we've been hearing as far back exactly that the research shows our students of success and the social emotional element that may or may not picked up in tests so that goes right along with as far as why we thought this to you based on the voices some of that feedack see wellou two things coupled with the added strain yeah then it's removed what did you find because there's a very expensive Lottery system involved and I can't find anything about kindergarten specifically yet so I'm in the policies look I'm a December baby who started when I was four so I'm like I'm biased the other wayse yeah but I think it was like the yearly cut off back then it was c p change back in like 86 and that was District by District in Pennsylvania

051still I I yeah I know and I had a friend who was January so I'm assuming that was probably the the month exception yep yeah you're 100% right I just know the two districts at times there were like I started in Hamburg but then went to Hazelton I went to Hazelton I probably to graduate right because there is that exception there's always the exception it's a whole year time span and every kid is different so but those exceptions to the rule become great board members the three kids were talking about the last so are we looking to move it to the board one way or the other or we just looking to that was the only thing correct yes that's it so we want to vote on which way we want to go to pull

052it back leave it in I think we might as well vote on moving it to the board and if it doesn't get the votes then it's just reviewed and it's w be October 1 yeah okay so we would vote vote for the let's I would say move to the board for the decision right CH for the revision y yeah we comfortable with that everybody understand yeah so if at the board meeting I want to suggest that we do the cut off September 1st it's I mean it's the change would require two readings we could suggest anything right up we're voting on making the cut off September 1st yes we're suggesting moving it oh okay well no one's made a motion there you go I will move to move it to the full board for first

053reading with the revision eliminating early admission second all in favor I simply strike that whole section and present it everyone has to right to change their mind for a they simply use the wording every child of school age is a resident of Pennsylvania in a school district so it's sounds like it they don't get real specific might have to do with your own School District yeah that's what I'm thinking what is the psylvia a child must be permitted to attend school yeah fiveyear old compulsory out of five you know so the board we the local school district has the right to make it yeah make because I know New York state is like I know my kids M there's compulsary need for kindergarten St a requirement thanks the if a student did go to say

054a private kindergarten whose policy did not adhere to ours and then they came as a first grader how would that but once they're in first grade they're in first grade yeah it' be more complicated if the start of the year as a kindergarten and they wanted to come into kindergarten that would be more complicated so if a student went to a private kindergarten who had their own arbitrary cut off date of November 1st and did Kindergarten elsewhere and then came as a first grader with their same November if they had if they were there long enough in demonstrating success we would okay you know and that's in kindergart so they would repeat kindergarten oh no no no no I'm saying if they came mid year yeah if they were success if a student SE successfully

055completes a grade or or a course for at the high school from another school district we accept I mean that happens more typically at the high school because somebody will have you know the classic one is algebra geometry Algebra 2 versus algebra algebra 2 geometry so a lot of times that just goes in different sequences depending on where a school puts it if if a if a student successfully completes a course or a grade in another school district we we H you know if we notice some major deficiencies that we meet with the families and discuss what we can do but our first pl we have to respect the M with us okay great thank you and that moves us to policies to consider for revision and with policy 218 student discipline this is the

056one that there was some wording six and seven on the second on page two so six and seven were the two which brought this one back to committee um so the item that I wanted to see what the committee thought was um what makes more likely um and then on number seven the conduct interferes with or threatens to interfere with the rights of students or School staff and threatens to interfere so I guess I would just start by kind of sharing my thought in this and then um we can see where the conversation leads as far as number six goes um I looked at this as uh the conduct involves threatens or makes more likely violence the make more likely violence I thought created a different category so it's either threatening violence or it's not

057threatenings threatening violence or makes more likely violence I I felt created a new category and then to go along with that with number seven the conduct interferes with or threatens to interfere with the rights of students or School staff again it interferes or it doesn't the threatens to interfere that one is the one that I I was most concerned with as far as the language goes in other words you're you're concerned about the ambiguity of threat to yeah threat Su inter is a very vague term Y and I think that can be construed in many ways a little so with number six um but those were my concerns yes I mean I agree with you seven threatens to interferes very big um to your point as you said it either interferes or it doesn't and

058I think you just this for interpretation we may not want to with including the threatens to interfere so when I see that I think about um an instance where you might not want to wait until it has actually interfered because that could be like a very bad situation whereas having some language in there and yeah sure it's open to interpretation but somebody needs to use their best judgment to if there is like the the impending danger that they could choose to intervene before the thing has already happened so I don't know maybe there's a better way to word it but I would prefer to see it not have to like the bad thing hasn't already happened you're talking about seven yeah so the bad thing as far as interfere with the rights of students right

059and I you know just in to clarify that I think that's a good point so student conduct policy essentially references our ability to discipline and which really boils down to suspense because you know that's that's when you are you know can you suspend a student for threatening to interfere with the rights of another student you know um we can always inter we can intervene before it's just could truly exclude some forol um the I think that language strengthens our ability to intervene through a through a suspension um you know or to keep somebody out of school we typically those scenarios would not have called it a suspension we would talk to the parents say we think you should keep home keep them home tomorrow you know let things cool down that's usually the way that

060conversation goes if there's something there's some type of a perceived or believed um way that they are going to interfere with with the rights of another student I say that because when we say the rights of students or School staff essential to that is the right to an education to be here and feel safe while doing um I mean we talk about interpretations we can go down far path with rights of students but to me it's does it prevent them from being able to access their educ in a in a real way um practically we've never had a problem intervening when we know of something in that [Music] regard before without this language the language does you know if somebody ever kind of HS you a task on the policy you say well it's right

061there but we've never had we've truly never had a problem of intervening we've never had a family who said no I will not help you prevent my child doing something that's going to get them in trouble we just haven't had that um can't say it wouldn't happen it's just it's never been it's never pretended us I think that brings up the point if we're talking about rights of students as then being the access to education instead of the rights of the students because again the rights of the students if that's how it's being interpreted that's the way I interpret the right to a student it's just way it goes down the path I guess but I've always just are you afraid to come to school because you know somebody is threatening to interfere with your

062your right to an education I mean that's that's where it typically happens but again rights is a broad term I always think that right to an education I and I have these conversations kind of periodically I don't know if you're thinking of it any differently no I'm thinking it that way also judgment making decisions often times we think of this right but also it's a lot of intervention so if there might be some type of threat to interfere it doesn't necessarily lead to a displine fraction could be a discussion way to move forward without that discipline piece so that that's where that's where administrators come in there things that you would you would hope with good judgment making the right decision not only for the student could be a but also the student you know

063or any type of activity but also intervene and push things in a positive direction so that's that's the ambiguity of of administrative work and trying to do the best thing for all students I don't know if it necessarily helps in this case but um we our goal is not to interfere with anyone's education work through things to where people students can be here getting the education that they deserve and sometimes it's learning experience itself so we look at discipline some of these items from that angle I think when you look at school districts that have got into problems with over over disciplined students it's because they infringe on rights and uh they go too far so I I think we have I think personally we have a historical record of of not doing that but

064um I just want to make that point as far as how we think through would these things as a demonstrators yeah but policy should outlive the administrator right in theory and that's that's the other side of it um it it should it's just the ambiguity of it you know it's tough but um you know yeah no doubt policy should helped help the and I also would make the argument you know I know there I I believe largely a school principal in state of Pennsylvania can suspend a student for up to three days with a lot of judgment you know no matter what so you know you with if a the requirement for anything that is up to three days technically legally don't even doesn't even require an informal hearing an informal hearing is just a

065meeting like a conversation to tell them it's when it's more than three days that that an informal hearing is a requirement you know so so then you walk down that path what would happen if you suspended somebody for three days and they challenged it what would get removed from the record you know okay but in these situations we've already bought three days to resolve what was happening you know and find out more it's quite frequent that in those short-term suspensions in our letter it will say suspended pending invest suspended up to three days pending investigation because we just need time of the student being on the building and the principal in a school in Pennsylvania has a lot three days Beyond three days you have to have you know you have to much more cause

066um and we're fortunate the law affords that ability because sometimes you just need it by time for an investigation to let things cool down to find out what really happen whatever it may be um so that goes back to that threatens to can I intervene I would argue even without that language our principles have three days to intervene if need and we've used it that way historically as I think as all schools in Pennsylvania and that's standard my my point is if you look the case La education the books that are stack the case um and the law itself you know utilizes those case studies as far as figuring out how far to go um my point is that you do have to be a sometimes seasoned experienced and rational administrator to work through some

067of these things so but um that language in itself that came from the psba they're comfortable with it you know there's always going to be ambiguity with it it's tough to go either way as far as that it's it's new language and I don't believe that not having it in there is ever preventing us from doing not having it in there has not has prevented yeah I don't believe that's ever prevented us from doing or yeah cor this is pba's attempt to give you a little extra legal protection when you do need to use that you know which is psba part of pba's job and even then it can go to The Courts and add to that St yeah I'm not sure how helpful we're being in all these conversations no it makes sense um

068your IR rationality I think is the best that ever explained this far um ultimately the administration is going to be responsible for making these calls on the way whether it's there or not I think it protects us more if it's there yeah protects the district more there I you know I when I try to think through scenarios where it could be problematic I think the interpretation of Rights must be actually more challenging than threatens to right oh absolutely just because the threatens to would just be us stepping in and doing what we need to do it's it's if there's a question of what the rights of the yeah one more thing that's what we don't usually operate the L yeah we we discuss these because these are particular cases that does take experience takes different

069viewpoints and again historically parents have always been helpful or understanding of that concept let's buy ourselves all a day and figure things out and they generally like yes because they want that too because best even if they're the one getting the suspension and you know pending investigation that's it's just the co thought so um I mean I guess as far as U my concerns with seven as I said this one was a little bit more problematic six um if we remove uh we would have the conduct involves or threatens violence so we would get rid of or makes more likely I guess starting with that one is that still problematic with anybody as far now M sorry I think they're going want to hear what you have to say want to interrupt any thoughts I

070I think what what they're referring to there is exciting EV so you might not might not involve or threaten but somehow it incites violence and makes violence more likely because you're inciting that piece of it that's how I'm interpreting that line which we have run into case like that that's just consideration so how do we feel about that one not shared so we're okay with the conduct involves threatens or more likely violence that was okay you especially with Dr Myers that's yeah Dr Myers is s as well okay and then for seven the conduct interferes with or threatens to interfere with the rights of students or School staff um uh how are we with I guess there's two things here I maybe with um instead of the rights of students access to education does that

071change anybody's R anybody have any thoughts on that um I feel like if we were going to spell it out that way I'd rather see more of what Mr Tim chaten said like interfere with students right to an education and feeling safe all those things yeah in a safe atmosphere whatever and then when when we talk about rights of Staff how do you interpret that well I mean there then that's um workplace right you know there's human resources law that Define you know the rights of staff so that is a little bit more broad you know than just that access to an education um you know that there are variety of kind of Paths of discrimination that could go down you know when we get into human resource law um and sometimes it's just Fortune

072we're fortunate because we haven't had to deal with that here in any you know in any situation um which that we felt that that any off-campus activity was necessarily you know because the thing about this is rights exist on 360 degrees of all situations so the right to free speech is maintained until it infringes on somebody else's right right that's that's kind of the central part of it because these are usually going to be this will would be a free speech situation because it's going to be something that's fored on social media send me an email whatever it might be um you know so that would be when someone is directly limiting staff's ability to again attend work you know and work in a safe environment I guess it really is the same you just

073have to look at it differently because there's different laws of government but it can't just be something that's critical you know we are unfortunately subject to critical language sometimes um so without giving a hypothetical statement it has to truly make it an environment where it's unsafe emotionally and physically notice that your job if there's not support that's fine I won't push it my my first choice would be strike seven it doesn't exist uh my second choice would be the conduct inter inters with and we would get it or threatens to interfere with and then my third choice would be changing uh interfere with rights of students or School staff access to education it sounds like there's problems with that one my my kind of like underlying point is if there's like a if it's a

074free speech style thing so like let's say a kid wears a t-shirt with some ideological statement on it and then another student says well I won't share that and that's makes me feel unsafe or it's Tinker it's the original school lock base trly what it is and you know it has to student has the right outside of dress code dress code defines other students and things students have the right to wear anything that meets the dress code unless it causes A disruption and that disrupt you know so Tinker then goes into but I don't remember the name will be studying in their MO trial fresh yeah I mean because then it goes to the east case about the uh breast cancer bracelets I mean that that kind of was like the more modern version of

075it and the courts have typically sided on the student side in those situ in both of those situations you know so we have to be very careful about limiting a student's right to free speech in this situation that was my number one thought with my part making that decision without overstepping it's a free freedom of speech issue to where districts have gone too far and got into trouble for the courts historically in school cases have supported the students rights of res speech that's that's where those biggest cases is there any support for one of those three options and if not then fine so I guess why why part of my conern seven was you go back to the top it says this policy and code of student conduct also apply to student baby their curse

076at other times and places off campus when the conduct interferes or threatens to interfere with the rights of students or School staff so two kids get into a fight at home in the neighborhood one gets beat up can't go to school the next day is the school now issuing a suspension or is that something that no I mean not if them by the way the policy is written it's absolutely opening up our ability to step in and say you're suspended because you did this when in reality yeah we have no place making that decision and my interpretation of the laws has always been now if that fight is followed up with the when I see you again tomorrow you're getting it again then yes because that well now now now it's threat toat happen in

077school so you have a real reason not come to school it happened outside of school but I guess that's what that's my biggest concern because the way it's written now because it also CH because we changed it to on and off campus activities and then we added yeah well why don't we add to seven something like for both the students and the school staff that that interferes or threatens to interfere with that thing that that ability Define you're looking for us to define the rights of the students in the school sta right yeah I mean I think that makes sense that that it applies to school and that makes it a lot better I think the harder part for me is the off-campus part that's the you know a dispute off that arises off campus

078right we don't want to we don't want to set the expectation the district's going to get involved right unless it is then coming into yes yes agree and I'm I'm totally with that so I I think so I would reference so let us let us work on that because when I'll tell you my thought on the approaches to reference fact if you look at the four language um the conduct has a direct Nexus and Nexus again that is terminology that came out of the Blue Mountain case related to it was Facebook precursor I don't think it was Myspace maybe I don't know but it was it was basically a student it was a freed of speech case where it was determined that there was no Nexus between the outside activity and the in school and

079in school Behavior or disruption I think we can work to CFT some language that you'll feel better about if we referenced back to Nexus there but give us give us some time to work on okay that make sense because I mean that's really what we're talking about we use in school administration we use the term Nexus kind of we we know what it means from you know that that's just because it's been out there since been in this career path um buts that this goes it infers at least that this goes above the Nexus because it's four the Nexus and then five and then six and seven it in that these are ANS we can reference it back to being yeah although six you know talks about the har directed I mean it it said

080or the school environment I mean it seems like much more related to the school environment where I think like seven even taken within that context you know when it talks about the rights of students or School staff who have all kinds of Rights outside of school um and without somehow referring it back kind of leads it to I think that's my biggest problem okay we we can work on something for for the next meeting I think it'll it'll meet that need great all right we're about out of time here so we'll have a policies 203 down to 824 we'll have to pick up on next month I'm looking for a motion to adjourn unless there's any other questions concerns just uh we oh no facilities will be I guess but policy curriculum facilities in ECC

081will be the effect the last official School business before the Easter break in April right because we are on Monday night 14th there's no school for students that day staff have a flex day we are working and you work and then it'll be then it'll be break just pointing that out that's true that's true in this capacity all right all in favor of adjourning this meeting say hi hi e e e than I'd like to call the meeting for facilities in extracurricular order um first up I guess we'll do the extracurricular and the winter sports WP up good evening everyone so today we officially had our first spring teams out and about playing some scrimmages we had baseball down at Warwick and softball over at Conor Weiser so seems like a good day to officially

082wrap up the winter season and we still have couple one possibly two athletes still competing so we'll start off with our unified Bachi team this winter we had a new head coach coach Amy petett who has been with the uh with the program for a couple of years now and uh Darlene Tyson coming on as as an assistant coach to help out we've had we had seven participants this year they finished their season with a four and six record and they finished sixth in the Burks North unified Bachi division so always a great time seeing those kids participate um in the in the Bachi matches here at Kut down always a good show that they put on up next we have our cheerleading team uh Linda Andre back as our head coach this year she

083returned this past ball as our head coach um with Adrien Layman as our Middle School head coach this winter we had 19 participants in our sideline crew uh 15 of those 19 competed on the competition team and we had four Middle School Kids U on the middle school cheerleading team so our competition team placed fourth in The District 3 co-ed Division and they also qualified for the PIAA competitive spe championships which was right down the road at Santander Arena it's nice convenient for us they finished 15th in the co-ed division there at the PIAA Championship so congratulations to the girl bottom picture bottom picture there is uh right at the beginning of their routine at Santander uh that day that they competed so they had a great experience there and uh got a taste for

084some of the big competitions that are out there and the all the accounts the coaches and the and the girls look forward to resuming that competition crew next year and build up build upon their experiences are we concerned about Middle School we having four or is that normal that's usually been normal we've usually had lower numbers uh we had typically higher numbers in the fall we get more middle school kids out in the fall and then once the winter comes we do additionally have seen a drop off there um but our our our high school numbers have really grown uh over the past year and a half so you know we're always looking to kind of increase those numbers at the middle school level to get our high school numbers even higher but you well

085I mean the numbers in high school are going to fall if our middle schol school is only bringing four up so it's the concern yeah a lot of the girls that we do have at the high school level they they've done other things in middle school and then have stopped doing some of those middle school activities and kind of ventured towards cheerleading um but again yeah definitely want to do what we can to get those Middle School numbers up next we have our uh swimming program we are a nonpol school but we have three uh swimmers this year we had Charles Rumble a senior Haven fegley a junior and her sister Nora fegley a freshman uh our volunteer head coach is Andrew Rumble back again this year with our assistant coaches Beth Rumble and Ralph

086and Michelle Figley and we just had some good some great postseason news with some of our swimmers so at the BCI AA championships Charles Rumble placed third and both the 200 IM and the 100 backstroke Haven Begley placed third in 200 IM and 11th in the 53 and at the district three championships a couple weekends ago Charles rumbled medled and placed eighth in the 200 IM medal in plac fifth at the in the 100 backstroke Haven Begley placed third in the 200 IM was a district three champion in the 100 breaststroke and Nora placed fifth in the 200 freestyle and third in the 100 freestyle so we have Haven definitely going on to Bucknell this week uh March 12th and March 13th she'll compete in the 200 IM and the 100 breast stroke right now

087Charles Rumble is the first alternate for the he is the first alternate for the back stroke no I'm sorry we're to 200 um nope go back to that backstroke I'm sorry so he's the first alternate for the 100 backstroke in at up the Bucknell so still waiting on that um probably won't know until close to me time he is planning on going up there just in case but um hopefully he gets in but good luck to Haven pegley as she competes at the state championships this uh this week I'm sorry for asking this question what what situation would allow the alternate someone's injured and doesn't can't participate correct yeah sick an injury or a scratch or somebody could be in the event they could be in multiple events and they could decide to scratch from

088one of those events in order to focus on one of other events that they're participating in which would open up a spot for another swimmer next we have our boys wrestling program head coach Dan Aris scavage with assistant coach Jed wood and Nate ramush and at the middle school level our head coach this year is Mike Georgio with assistant coach Kelsey Bush uh this season the boys finished three and0 and Burks 4 6 and 12 overall that 3 and0 Burks 4 record gave them the Burks division 4 championship this year we had 16 participants at the high school 10 at the middle school level and for winning Burks division 4 they qualified for bciaa team tournament where they lost to exiter in a hardfought match 48-30 over at y missing uh in the quarter finals

089in the dable a sectional tournament we at 139 pounds we had Isaac wood placing seventh at 145 Zay Sherry placing eight at 152 James Smith placing eth at 160 Tyler scarola placing seventh at 189 Brendan Ackley placing eth and at 285 Royce bner placing seventh and Dan Aris scavage was also named district three wrestling Coach of the Year this year he was Ved uh that award by uh by his coaching peers in the area then we have several members of our wrestling team with bcia daa Allstars this year uh thank you to ks for all of her great graphics that she has been doing for us this year uh didn't have to type out as much stuff this time around uh so we had uh all all of our members on the all division four

090team were Jackson Hillyard Zan Sherry Royce bner Isaac wood and robat so congratulations to our to our wrestlers this year and for the first time we're officially going to do a wrap up for our girls wrestling program this year first year of uh girls wrestling being sanctioned as a Varsity Sport here at kown so our High School coaches were Dan Aris scavage Mike Giorgio and Kelsey bush all helping out with uh with our girls program there uh team record this year in dual dual matches they were three and three but they participated in several individual tournaments uh throughout the season as well at the sectional tournament this year at 106 Casia Sherry placed fifth at 112 Emily Boer placed fourth at 118 Natalie Frederick placed Fifth and at 148 AJ blank placed six and at

091the district three tournament uh Emily Boer she was a qualifier and she wrestled at 12 pounds for our first girl participating in the district three girls tournament so congratulations to Emily our girls basketball program we had Jess blisco taking over the Rings for her first year as a head coach this year her assistant coaches were her neighbor right next door Jen biglin along with Katie Blair her Middle School coaches were Matt Brown and Keegan white and this year they finished 4-8 Brooks four 10 and 12 overall and we had 16 girls at the high school level and 20 at the middle school level and we had three Allstars on the team this year so we had Caitlyn hopley was named to the all division four team and we had jayen Garris and Jay Fitzgerald named

092division four honorable mention this year for our girls basketball team so congratulations to our program there not a single senior in the starting lineup so a lot of girls returning for next year so the emplo to take the next step next year a lot of competitive games even in 12 I believe too was watching scores they were very competitive Squad right yep and with our boys basketball team back for his second year we have Coach Eric lucken bille assisting again Cole Ferguson and Matt smeski our Middle School coaches were Matt salowski and Jeff Zimmerman the boys finished five- seven in brooks4 9 and 13 overall with 20 players on the high school team and 20 on the middle school team again three AllStars from our boys high school program we had Chris Bergstrom named to

093the all division four team and we had Colton mathas and Tyler huitt both named Works division four honorable mention so congratulations to those boys there and to our whole boys basketball team and to all of our winter sports athletes okay thank you for that and congratulations to all the winter sport athletes and coaches looking forward to successful next year um next up we have the wait room availability that was brought up at the last board meeting um we have an update on that or yeah we just wanted to discuss the so um the wait room in trying to go by season um what happens mostly is the weight room is often used by teenss right after school you know so is it available probably technically yes but not many there's not many people are just

094going to go in and work out while a team is working out so that's I think that's probably more of the problem than than it's not really available it's just there's a team culture in there and you're you're probably not gonna be the one person work now in addition to so my understanding is and this is based on one student yeah so but my understanding was that if they wanted to work out and there's a team in there they need to work out with that team and some of the team's coaches will not necessarily accept them unless they're part of the team so there's and there's a fair so there's kind of a little bit of a conflict of like well maybe kids would work out if they could but they feel like they got

095to go in and B yeah we were talking about it some and wondering if we should work with the High School administration to make make the weight room available during connections every other day of the cyle and as long as a student is in good standing in their classes they would be able to go work out then you know and because then it's essentially like a club like you can have you have clubs that meet during connections period and you could you know if we looked at it more of a club style and made sure staffed properly you know the teams even when the teams start you know they're not going to be school ends they go get changed then they're in there so between connections and probably about 15 minutes after school you could

096have plenty of time to would work out in you know we would have during connections academics have to take priority but as long as you're in good standing and you want to work out during that time you feel like that might the value add overall to the you know to the students and then to the school Community I mean it just it just seems we it seemed weird to me that he didn't have access to the gym um because I've coached at multiple schools I went to school um the gym was pretty much always available after school and if there was a team in there you just had to not be right now um you know the I guess the concern is we want our kids to be active but we're telling them they have

097to go somewhere else to go do it and like this particular one goes to Fitness he's old enough to drive there but the ref freshman software can't drive to this so I think anything we can do to make it more available would be a benefit to the health and well-being students and just overall um the Goodwill of school to be allowing them to use something that taxpayers are paying for no agreed so we're we'll kind of work together also with the High School administration don't want to step in the toes with the scheduling of things but to I think if we just make it available again during connections and after school in some way um the tough part with the coaches you know in my opinion is sort of I could some coaches have you

098know um there our football coach also supervises those areas and is probably way more comfortable with other kids working out non teams some coaches probably don't feel that they have the expertise to be responsible for somebody who isn't their player you know they signed up for this group or for them but um we we'll work with high school administration the Athletics office and make sure that we have availability the students who want to work out at least a couple days a week which is proba supervision really is only there for Cas of injury like they don't don't need the teaching things necessarily but yeah um and not to call out the football coach but it was the football coach that I think had the the policy of if you're not on the football team you're

099not one C so I think maybe some clarity around for our coaches what we want to accept I mean I I get it I I get it like when I coached wrestling and other kids kids were in the room like I was clear with them like you're welcome in here but like you can't get in the way you stuff so we're on this these pieces of equipment you're going to have to work yep well for beginning and next year we have something in place that makes it very clear what when the opportunities are all and maybe sooner the spring support starting this week yeah that's going to be something you have to be very clear with when it's open because take the this instance here at the botball co well today they were in there

100for 40 minutes and then they were out on the track right you're not going to expect the right football coach to accommodate right a single LIF or somebody who wants to work out would have to be clear the other option and I've I've seen it in two of the schools that I've been part of um is you know a stiped person um a lifting coach should speak um there are also lifting teams at the high school level so that's something else that could be considered and we have a stien we have have Sten but that person also is a coach during two of the seasons and what they do is then you know teams will schedule you know and they our coaches or other coaches greatly appreciate appreciate the ability to schedule their team to

101work with that person um but that doesn't hope that doesn't solve this this challenge but it's I think it's one of those things like we don't really know how much use it would get until we give them the opportunity to use it so I don't think we need to go spending a ton of money to figure it out but but I think we could also do better without yeah the connections it's a good one yeah so connections typically at the end of the day it's always a that yeah a great it's again it's primary primary functions for students to move with their teachers but as long as we have some academic requirements to being able like any other club so I think we can figure that out that yeah that sounds good right okay look

102forward to hearing more about that um next up is the facilities and the Bown high school gym floor he as part of our regular maintenance uh the gym floors we've been since I've started there's some Show and Tell for you uh we've been doing screening coats by Miller Sports Flor since I've been here I believe Mr Yuga said they've gone back until when you started they were still deploying those screening coats but Miller the company yes yeah that's the only company that I know of that has done that I believe so before me 2017 when the renovation took place in 2015 2016 that was Miller as well before I started so they did the complete sand down and the initial screen and coat when they sanded and painted the floor and then there were some

103back and forth because some of the layer was coming off around 2019 and then it kind of went back and forth looking the school district as to how is this happening why is it happening um is what is Miller at fault is something that we're doing at fault um I believe Miller gave us some sort of a discount not exactly sure how much it was but Miller came in resanded the floor again down to the Bearwood painted it all again and then has been doing the screen and coat every summer since then and last year we had some small minor kups uh you know unhappy with that we we kind of attribute that to potentially some locations where there's tape put on the floor again that's right in the contract it says no tape on

104the floor that's uh in fact every one of these companies that we've gotten quotes from say no tape right on the floor in fact from one of their salutations it says no tape on floors in salutation but anyhow uh as soon as we had it peel up this year I contacted Miller on H September 5th that's where we saw major you know spot you know peeling up uh they sent their uh manager out he took a lot of it and he said there was too many coats put on the floor that's the only company we've been using and then it just been getting worse and worse worse uh he's the one who recommended that we need to sand it completely down uh and then so his quote is on this on this sheet the very

105first one uh again that's when I approached you know I think back in December when we talked about that we want to go back and look at a different company I contacted five five additional companies each one who came out and saw what was going on and we peeled a piece you know a large piece up uh all of them has said that is not too many coats that is for Preparation whether it's not enough sanding or not enough cleaning on that prep and none of those five that I contacted well at least the ones that came out said they would not screen and cope this for even if we wanted them to do it they would not do that because they said the floor underneath there's no guarantee that they can you know get

106that down so uh Miller did provide a quote if we wanted to screen and code um but also they said if you choose you know to sand it down so the quote is there uh just got again the other companies that came up that Master care flooring they do Harris Fleetwood and Harrisburg flooring also recommended them uh Chambers flooring Daniel Boone Conrad Weiser Twin Valley and KU uses them or has have used them uh Keystone athletic nobody in burs county has used them yet they do some stuff down in bucks in Montgomery County again J&J was toah hawen but they did not respond to my email and then Frick I sent him pictures and he never responded back to come out he's out past Harrisburg he was a recommendation by another company uh so as

107Mr Yuga and I were discussing again when you go in and you know from afar the gym floor in the high school looks pretty good but it's as you get closer you can see those spots that are peeling up uh constantly peeling up uh you know we're to the point where we have three other companies that say we need to sand it down as well as Miller saying hey you got to do it but just two different excuses and again this is a pretty big number I feel for what we're doing in gym floors uh with Chambers all these school districts swear by them and say they do a fantastic job I have a hard time going back to Miller if we're getting the same result you know each time in fact you know more

108and more work worse on that uh also just another again with Miller when they were going through the person that comes out to do the quote is not the same person to do the floor with Chambers the person who came out to give us the quote will be the person coming in to do the floor they'll feel a little bit more comfortable than that as well uh anybody else we uh the last person that I knew two years ago was skook Valley uh and they had some problems but it wasn't necessarily peeling up problems it was they didn't do exactly what they were historically many many many yeah they're one of the major they absolutely are but they they have a track failing on this floor this another time before it also seems like things

109that have changed over the years um you know from the consistency that Miller provided 10 years ago to what it is today I think it's changed quite a bit um it's subcontracted out I mean you know they're not their employees they sub it out and have some people come in that's why I feel Chambers is a little bit better I me the guy who came to do the quote said we will be doing this for um I worked in the commercial and Industrial codings for many years and competitors will always come in say it's the other as small sure but with that caveat they're probably telling me the truth like it's 95% of failures are or PR just yeah I mean having no tape on that for I get that but that tape still should

110not be pulling those coating up the way it is I mean you can look at the old coating that's underneath that and yeah there's not much abrasion to it at the middle school stage we just had a brand new teacher put tape down on the floor the very next day I went up there peel to finish off Miller doing that one too no we're going to try to do that in house or tempting to do that ourselves and I would feel that we should maybe leave the Middle School like looks like we did past two years do that every other year at the middle school everybody's comfortable with that I think you got some feedback you felt it was okay or we should we could still consider that yeah I mean that's that stage it

111doesn't get that much talking about the gym Flor G Flor gym floor the stage floor it's in in Rush yeah we just want to try there's no harm on us doing the work if we can do it yeah follow the experiment nobody in houses has done it yet but we have some vendors that will give us some guidance and help so again I'm recommending that we go with uh Chambers fling for that uh 30,000 995 time frame is going to be we're going to in fact Mr yug and I I spoke to them just uh this afternoon and they said they can fit Us in immediately after the school year so you know June second week of June it'll be a three week time period that don't need this done you know so we also

112discussed that we can move some of the programs that are here in the high school over to the middle school was another reason why we Vally don't want to take that time to do the Middle School and a screening code can be done in a day if it's done right but I think with us with our inexperience going to take a little bit longer if we want to do that and that's something that we could potentially do over a over a long weekend or you know a break sounds like the full gym floor of high school needs to be done so Chambers is price is right there yeah big thing for us it's it's a onetime deal and you don't want it to mess it up yeah so that's why I with these other company

113or these other school districts that use them and recommend that's what I have to go off of would agree 100% yeah especially if KU is recommending them as well too because I'm sure their facilities get used a little harder than schools do AG all right so I'll move to all that recommendation use Chambers foring two yeah second all in favor I we'll send the chambers foring quot to the full board that that's all that we had on the agenda for tonight somebody else had anything is that a question sponsorship program that we kind of ruled out that we promoted it anyway yet um we had I mean we had some initial we did initially we were meeting with some some businesses and kind of didn't get very far we haven't done much with it recently

114to kind of head it into the um One Challenge is the way we designed it was almost like full Year packages and we were already selling in mid year so we're going to put a hard r on here in spring summer from the 25 26 do we have somebody specific kind of running with it falling on you it's false on us is there someone that could specifically run with it I don't really think so you know we just don't have you know unfortunately we just don't have you know extra capacity as we've gotten you know leaner with with many of our departments so I really think it PS um which is the challenge but mean the good and bad of that obviously it's time for you guys is the bad but the good of that

115I think is a business being contacted by the athletic director or the superintendent is going to have some Impact versus yeah every time I think about us having somebody else do it I think you know that I I don't know if in the community our size that that makes no sense like it really should be ask so um we're going to go hard at it here from 25 26 for I just hate to see all the hard work of getting it to that point just kind of sitting in well I'm in a basket somewhere yeah I know there's potential dollars so I had um just I just thought of this uh with us getting this gym FL redone we need to really stress with the coaches and everybody else no more tape on the floor

116that become reading and salutation your emails and we've been really good sans's one incident a couple weeks ago but the only one of the year you got to figure another way to secure those mats to I'm rolling back up again that's a lot of are they the old style mats but no they're the segmented mats we shouldn't have to take foran the old style mats the ends kind of roll up and then you have to kind of tape them back down but the newer segmented mats they lay flat you really shouldn't cover have to tap I coached at Central Catholic they take a lot of pride in their gym Florida we never take M they're so heavy they're not going to shift around one it was the usually was because the old style up at

117the end he didn't tape him down people trip it him you got arrest boy you agree with that yeah I think ours just started they start to table off because they're starting to wear on the ends and it's other issues there but yeah they shouldn't have to be tables before Alternatives I can one hi